how can i make bin & que files

how can make and image of a cd (bin & que files)
without using cdrwin????

you can make cue files using notepad. i dont have any on this pc, but i take it you know what a cue sheet looks like.

use a program called fireburner

i got fireburner

how do i make em????

not used fire burner but you need to create a disk image. on nero you would set the recorder to "Image Recorder" and the click Copy Cd or something like that it will then read the cd and save it to an image file. its probably near enough the same on all the burning programs.

Gimp

k cheers gimp