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    Dead because they're poor, and because the rich people over the road didn't want to see their scabby building.

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    BBC News London fire: Tower fire questions 'will be answered'

    Questions about how Kensington's fatal tower block fire spread so quickly through the building "will be answered", the council leader has said.
    Nicholas Paget-Brown said he would co-operate "in full" with the government's inquiry into the Grenfell Tower disaster and any other investigations, amid criticism of the council.
    Some 58 people are dead or missing, presumed dead, police have said.
    The recovery operation has resumed but could take weeks.
    Meanwhile, the Home Office said it was making arrangements for the family of one of those who died in the fire to travel from Syria to Britain for his funeral.
    Mohammed Alhajali, who was 23 and a civil engineering student, was the first victim to be named.
    Following criticisms of Kensington and Chelsea Council's handling of the disaster, Mr Paget-Brown said "lessons must be learned", adding that he was "heartbroken by the tragic fire and the appalling loss of life".
    He said: "Kensington and Chelsea council is working closely with the government, charities, volunteer and resident groups and the emergency services to help re-house and assist all those affected."
    "Of course, people rightly have questions about the causes of the fire and why it spread so quickly and these will be answered."
    On Saturday Theresa May admitted support for families in the "initial hours" was "not good enough".
    The statement came after Mrs May met volunteers and some of the people made homeless by the fire.
    Residents caught up in the fire have previously condemned the relief effort as "absolute chaos".
    As they left Number 10, one representative spoke to reporters briefly, saying they had spoken to the prime minister for two and a half hours about their demands and what they expected.
    In her statement, Mrs May said: "Frankly, the support on the ground for families who needed help or basic information in the initial hours after this appalling disaster was not good enough."
    She said phone lines would be better staffed and more staff would be deployed in the area.
    They would wear high-visibility clothing so they could easily be found, dispense advice and ensure the right support is provided, she added.
    Mrs May also said she expected to announce the name of the judge for a public inquiry within the next few days.
    The inquiry will report back to the prime minister.
    She has told councils to complete urgent safety checks on similar tower blocks.
    Mrs May has come in for a barrage of criticism over her response to the disaster, including being jeered when she visited the North Kensington estate on Friday.
    On Saturday afternoon, hundreds of protesters gathered in Whitehall, to call for her resignation.
    But First Secretary of State Damian Green defended the prime minister, saying she was as "distraught as we all are".
    The government has committed £5m for clothes, food and emergency supplies for the victims.
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    The Queen used her official birthday message to reflect on the "sombre national mood" following tragedies in London and Manchester in recent weeks.
    She said, in an unprecedented statement, that she had been "profoundly struck by the immediate inclination of people throughout the country to offer comfort and support to those in desperate need".
    So far in the investigation:

    • Six victims have been provisionally identified by police
    • Three have been named so far, including Syrian refugee Mohammed Alhajali, 23., five-year-old Isaac Shawo, and artist Khadija Saye
    • Of those killed, one died in hospital
    • Nineteen people remain in hospital, 10 in critical care
    • A criminal investigation has been launched
    • UK councils are carrying out urgent reviews of their tower blocks, the Local Government Association says
    • A British Red Cross appeal is launched to raise money for those affected
    • The emergency number for people concerned about friends and family is 0800 0961 233

    The fire broke out at the 24-storey block, which contained 120 one and two-bedroom flats, shortly before 01:00 BST on Wednesday.
    It tore through all floors of the building and took more than 200 firefighters 24 hours to bring under control.
    Two neighbouring Tube lines are to be partly suspended into a second day amid safety concerns of debris falling on to the tracks.
    The Hammersmith and City Line has been suspended between Edgware Road and Hammersmith, and the Circle Line is also closed, Transport for London said.
    TfL said the lines were expected to be suspended until 14:00 on Sunday.
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    BBC News London fire: Syrian victim Mohammed Alhajali family 'can come to UK'

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    Arrangements will be made for the family of one of those who died in the Grenfell Tower fire to travel from Syria to the UK for his funeral, the Home Office has said.
    Mohammed Alhajali, who was 23, was the first victim to be named.
    The Syrian refugee came to the UK in 2014 and studied civil engineering.
    A total of 58 people are known to be dead or missing, presumed dead, after the fire. The BBC understands this could rise to about 70 people in total.
    Mr Alhajali's older brother Omar - who was with him in their flat on the 14th floor - survived after they were separated on the way out of the burning tower block.
    A friend of Mr Alhajali, Randa El-Daouk, told the Andrew Marr programme that her friend was "loved by all of us".
    A petition for his parents to be allowed to come to the UK has more than 80,000 signatures.
    The petition was set up by family friend Mirna Suleiman, 26, who had been ringing around numerous hospitals, rest centres and the casualty helpline searching for Mr Alhajali, before discovering that he had died.
    "My mum told me and I just burst in to tears. Even though I didn't know him it was so difficult to bear the news," she said.
    Ms Suleiman said she started the campaign because, as someone with Syrian family herself, she knew how difficult it was to obtain a visa for visits.
    The proportion of visa applications for visits to the UK from Syria that are rejected has risen since the country's civil war began in 2011.
    But the Home Office has suggested Mr Alhajali's family will be able to come to the UK on compassionate grounds.
    "Mohammed undertook a dangerous journey to flee war and death in Syria, only to meet it here in the UK, in his own home," the Syrian Solidarity Campaign said in a statement.
    "His dream was to be able to go back home one day and rebuild Syria."
    A Home Office spokeswoman said: "We have established processes in place which allow us to consider visa applications outside the immigration rules on compassionate grounds.
    "We are in contact with Mr Alhajali's family and will offer any assistance we can to help them obtain the necessary travel documents they will require in these terribly sad circumstances."
    Ms Suleiman said she was happy with the outcome, but added: "It shouldn't reach a point where people are dying [before] we can allow families to be reunited with one another."
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    BBC News London fire: Tragedy caused by years of neglect - mayor

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    The Grenfell Tower fire was a "preventable accident" caused by "years of neglect" by the local council and successive governments, Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has said.
    Speaking after attending a local church service in memory of the victims, he said the fire was "a national disaster that requires a national response".
    The government has sent in some of its staff to bolster the relief effort.
    Kensington Council said it would fully cooperate with the public inquiry.
    The council has been widely criticised for its handling of the disaster, with residents complaining that officials had provided little support or information.
    "People are angry, not simply at the poor response in the days afterwards from the council and the government, but at the years of neglect from the council," Mr Khan said.
    "There's a feeling that the council and government don't understand their concerns and don't care."
    He said the fire was the consequence of the "mistakes and neglect from the politicians - the council and the government".
    "People in this community are sick to death of platitudes from politicians," he added.
    Writing in the Observer on Sunday, Mr Khan suggested high-rise tower blocks dating from the 1960s and 1970s could be torn down in the wake of the fire, which he said may well be the "defining outcome of this tragedy".
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    Has come out today that the cladding is actually banned in the UK too.
    The actual term is "banned for use in large buildings" so they will now argue the toss over the definition of large I assume.

    Luckily for the cunts responsible when the actual inquiry into ends in 10+ years time it will have been largely forgotten other than by the families involved.

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    Thanks, I am just as guilty for posting in the wrong thread but not quite sure how it happened.

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    Default Re: Latimer Road fire: Huge fire engulfs west London tower block

    Erm, someone came back drunk late Friday night/early Saturday morning and posted in the wrong thread and it seems everyone else just carried on after that idiot

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    Default Re: Latimer Road fire: Huge fire engulfs west London tower block

    Quote Originally Posted by Over Carl View Post
    Erm, someone came back drunk late Friday night/early Saturday morning and posted in the wrong thread and it seems everyone else just carried on after that idiot
    Was that me ???? Could well have been .

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    Erm, I was referring to this twat http://digital-forums.com/showthread...=1#post3857184

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    BBC News London fire: Police expect Grenfell death toll to rise

    The number of people believed to have been killed in the Grenfell Tower fire in west London is expected to increase from 58, the Met police has said.
    Commander Stuart Cundy said an updated figure for those presumed dead would be released on Monday.
    But he said the process of identifying victims was likely to take weeks due to the conditions in the tower, which "verge on the indescribable".
    A minute's silence is to be held later in memory of the victims.
    The BBC understands about 70 may have died. Eighteen people remain in hospital, nine in critical care.
    But Cdr Cundy warned of the potential "terrible reality" that some people may never be identified due to the intensity of the fire.
    "I must consider the fact that there may be others in the building who, for whatever reason have not been reported to us.
    "There is also a real possibility that there may be people in the building that no-one knows are missing," he said.
    Police have released images from inside the 24-storey building to show the scale of the challenge they face.
    The building was gutted after the fire ripped through the block in North Kensington in the early hours of Wednesday.
    Cdr Cundy said: "It is really important that we are clear about the scale of the challenge facing us as our teams search Grenfell Tower to recover those people still inside and return them to their loved ones.
    "Whilst our teams have been from the bottom to the top of the tower, we must now carry out a full forensic and systematic search.
    "The conditions due to the fire damage verge on indescribable, which is why this will be such a lengthy operation taking weeks to complete."
    A minute's silence is to be held at 11:00 BST across all government buildings to remember the people who lost their lives and all those affected by the fire.
    Kensington and Chelsea Council has faced widespread criticism for its handling of the disaster, with residents complaining that officials had provided little support or information.
    Prime Minister Theresa May has also come in for criticism over her response to the disaster.
    She was jeered on a visit to the North Kensington estate on Friday, and protesters marching on Friday and Saturday called for her resignation.
    London Mayor Sadiq Khan said the fire was a "preventable accident" caused by "years of neglect" by the local council and successive governments.


    Kensington and Chelsea Council leader Nicholas Paget-Brown said he understood residents' anger and that the authority itself wanted to know why the fire had started and spread so quickly.
    He added that the disaster was too big for one authority to handle alone and it was inaccurate to suggest his council was not present on the ground or working with other authorities.
    The government has sent in a team of civil servants to bolster the relief effort.
    They were spotted in high-visibility jackets in the area on Sunday afternoon.
    The government has also pledged to give £5,500 to all of those who lost their homes.
    Each household will receive at least £500 in cash and £5,000 paid into an account as part of a £5m emergency fund first announced on Friday.
    Details of how the government's £5m emergency fund have been outlined, including:

    • Funding will be made available for people staying in temporary accommodation
    • A discretionary fund is available to help meet funeral costs
    • There will also be funding for legal representation for residents involved in the public inquiry
    • An extra £1.5m will pay for mental health support for the emergency services

    A newly-established "Grenfell Fire Response Team" has been set up to lead the relief effort, which will include a 24-hour operation at the Westway Sports Centre.
    The new team is made up of local and central government, the Red Cross, the Metropolitan Police and the London Fire Brigade.
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    Questions continue to be asked about why the fire spread so quickly, amid suggestions new cladding fitted during a recent overhaul could have been to blame.
    On Sunday Chancellor Philip Hammond told BBC's Andrew Marr Show that a criminal investigation would examine whether building regulations had been breached when the block was refurbished.
    Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said that the council had seemed to "lack the resources to deal with a crisis of this magnitude", despite being the country's "wealthiest borough".
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    BBC News Four ministers were warned about tower block fire risks

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    Four separate government ministers were warned that fire regulations were not keeping people safe, in letters that have subsequently been seen by the BBC.
    In the leaked letters, experts warn that those living in tower blocks like Grenfell Tower were "at risk".
    At least 79 people are dead or missing presumed dead after the fire at the London high-rise last week.
    The department that received the letters said work to improve regulation and safety had already been under way.
    Leaked letters

    The letters show experts have been worried about fire safety in tower blocks for years.
    Following a fatal fire in Lakanal House in south London in 2009, a series of recommendations were made to keep people safe.
    They were ignored. The government promised a review of fire regulations in 2013, but it still has not happened.
    BBC One's Panorama has obtained a dozen letters sent by the All-Party Parliamentary Fire Safety and Rescue Group.
    Informed by experts, it warned the government it "could not afford to wait for another tragedy".
    Four ministers - all from the Department for Communities and Local Government - received letters but did not strengthen the regulations.
    Ronnie King, a former chief fire officer who sits on the group, says the government has ignored repeated warnings about tower block safety.
    "We have spent four years saying 'Listen, we have got the evidence, we've provided you with the evidence, there is clear public opinion towards this, you ought to move on this'," said Mr King.
    After six people were killed at Lakanal House in 2009, the coroner made a series of safety recommendations for the government to consider.
    The government department promised a review in 2013, but it was soon delayed.
    In March 2014, the parliamentary group wrote: "Surely… when you already have credible evidence to justify updating… the guidance… which will lead to saving of lives, you don't need to wait another three years in addition to the two already spent since the research findings were updated, in order to take action?
    "As there are estimated to be another 4,000 older tower blocks in the UK, without automatic sprinkler protection, can we really afford to wait for another tragedy to occur before we amend this weakness?"
    After further correspondence, Liberal Democrat MP Steven Williams - who was then a minister in the department - replied: "I have neither seen nor heard anything that would suggest that consideration of these specific potential changes is urgent and I am not willing to disrupt the work of this department by asking that these matters are brought forward."
    The group replied to say they "were at a loss to understand, how you had concluded that credible and independent evidence, which had life safety implications, was NOT considered to be urgent".
    "As a consequence the group wishes to point out to you that should a major fire tragedy, with loss of life, occur between now and 2017 in, for example, a residential care facility or a purpose built block of flats, where the matters which had been raised here, were found to be contributory to the outcome, then the group would be bound to bring this to others' attention."
    The letters were written before the refurbishment of Grenfell Tower.
    One went to the-then Communities and Local Government Secretary Eric Pickles, who received a letter about fire regulations from the parliamentary group in February 2014.
    He had also been asked to look at fire safety in February 2013 and March 2013 by two separate coroners, investigating two tower block fires.
    In December 2015, the all-party group wrote to Conservative MP James Wharton, another minister in the department at the time, and warned about the risk of fires spreading on the outside of buildings with cladding.
    "Today's buildings have a much higher content of readily available combustible material. Examples are timber and polystyrene mixes in structure, cladding and insulation.
    "This fire hazard results in many fires because adequate recommendations to developers simply do not exist. There is little or no requirement to mitigate external fire spread."
    The last of the four ministers in the department to receive a letter was Gavin Barwell, who has since moved on to become Theresa May's top aide. He received his letter from the parliamentary group in September last year.
    In November, Mr Barwell replied to say his department had been looking at the regulations, and would make a statement "in due course".
    In April this year, Mr Barwell wrote to say he did "acknowledge that producing a statement on building regulations has taken longer than I had envisaged".
    The fire safety group pointed out that it had been "given a similar response by three successive ministers since 2010" and it "is now time to listen to what the Fire Sector is saying".
    The government has said there is still no timetable for a review.
    The Department for Communities and Local Government said that a police investigation into the Grenfell Fire is already under way "but it will be some time before it is fully understood how the fire started or why it took hold in the way it did."
    In a statement, it added: "The government has acted to improve fire regulation and safety, including the recommendations made by the Coroner following the Lakanal House Fire.
    "The final recommendation concerned simplification of fire safety guidance, and this work was under way, with a consultation due to be published this summer.
    "Fire safety requirements are complex issues and our priority has been that we have high standards. A great deal of work has been completed, including commissioning and undertaking research to support the planned consultation. Clearly, in light of this tragic event, we need to reflect on whether this consultation is the correct next step to take. We will confirm our approach shortly."
    In a separate development, Panorama has discovered that firefighters put out the first fire at Grenfell Tower.
    They were called to a fridge fire, and within minutes told residents the fire was out in the flat.
    The crew was leaving the building when firefighters outside spotted flames rising up the side of the building.
    The Fire Brigades Union say firefighters were left facing an unprecedented fire, and officers broke their own safety protocol to rescue people.
    Watch Panorama - London Tower Fire: Britain's Shame on Monday 19 June at 20:30 BST on BBC One and afterwards on BBC iPlayer.
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    Grenfell Tower: Fire started in Hotpoint fridge freezer, say police


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    Image copyright PA The Grenfell Tower fire in London started in a fridge freezer, and outside cladding failed safety tests, police say.
    Insulation on the building also failed tests and the Metropolitan Police will consider manslaughter charges.
    Seventy-nine people are feared dead after the blaze destroyed 151 homes in the Kensington tower block.
    The government has ordered immediate testing of the Hotpoint fridge freezer which was involved.
    Whirlpool, who owns Hotpoint, said: "We offer our most profound condolences to the victims, those who have lost loved ones, homes, and possessions, and to their friends and families."


    It said it was working with the authorities to obtain access to the appliance so that it could assist with the ongoing investigations.

    What do I do if I have a Hotpoint fridge freezer?

    By Kevin Peachey, BBC News
    Anyone who has a white Hotpoint fridge freezer model number FF175BP or graphite fridge freezer model number FF175BG should register their appliance with the manufacturer to receive any updates.
    Generally, the model number is found on a bar code on a sticker behind the salad container in the fridge.
    These models were discontinued in 2009, but 64,000 were sold between March 2006 and July 2009. It is not known how many are still in use.
    Owners should ring 0800 316 3826 or visit the Hotpoint website.
    Fires connected to fridge freezers and other electrical appliances are relatively common.
    More general advice on registering an appliance, should there be a recall, and other safety tips are available online on charity Electrical Safety First's page.

    Some 250 specialist investigators have been deployed to find out what happened.
    Police said the fire had not been started deliberately and the speed with which the fire spread was "unexpected".
    All criminal charges are being considered "from manslaughter onwards" including health and safety and, fire offences.
    Every company involved in the building and refurbishment of Grenfell Tower will also be looked at as part of the investigation.
    Det Sup Fiona McCormack said police had been in the tower "from top to bottom", adding that next week a lift would be installed to the outside of the building.

    Grenfell Tower, North Kensington



    • 127 flats
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    • 20 residential levels
    • 4 mixed levels of community areas and residential flats
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    But she did say the forensic search "may not be complete until the end of the year".
    "There is a terrible reality that we may not find or identify everyone who died due to the intense heat."
    'Didn't pass any tests'

    Preliminary tests on the samples of insulation showed it burned soon after the test started, and more quickly than the cladding tiles.
    However, they both failed the police's safety tests - which are similar to those being carried out by the UK government.



    Insulation samples collected from Grenfell Tower combusted "soon after" safety tests started, police say


    Media captionInsulation samples collected from Grenfell Tower combusted "soon after" safety tests started, police sayThe cladding, insulation, fixings and installation will be examined both individually and how they worked together.
    "The investigation will be exhaustive," said Det Sup McCormack.
    "As we learn more, the scope and scale may well grow. We will look at the refurbishment. We are looking at the panelling and the entire facade of the building."
    She said she wanted to hear about anyone who was in the tower, whether or not they were meant to be in the building.
    She said: "I do not want there to be any victims of this tragedy that we do not know about.
    "Our priority is to understand who was in Grenfell Tower. We are not interested in people's reasons for being in Grenfell Tower."
    Community Shield proceeds to be given to victims
    She said she was concerned they did "not have the complete picture" and reassured people not to be nervous about contacting them.
    "There may well be people who no one has contacted us about - who they know were in the building or have close links to Grenfell Tower.
    "The Home Office has assured us that they are not interested in people's immigration status and we are not interested in looking at that.
    "What we are interested in is making sure that we know who is missing and we take every possible step to establish if they are safe and well."

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    Default Re: Latimer Road fire: Huge fire engulfs west London tower block

    A bit of a joke they are finally starting to say what everyone​ already knows.

    Been hearing today that documents have been sorted for the potential manslaughter enquiry, why weren't these taken at the earliest possible opportunity?

    Rumour I heard is that the real reason the council closed their office on the weekend after the disaster and failed to offer any support is because they were too busy destroying incriminating evidence

    I still haven't heard any reason why everyone involved wasn't locked up and made to turn on each other at interview time.
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    Default Re: Latimer Road fire: Huge fire engulfs west London tower block

    Quote Originally Posted by Over Carl View Post
    A bit of a joke they are finally starting to say what everyone​ already knows.

    Been hearing today that documents have been sorted for the manslaughter enquiry, why weren't these taken at the earliest possible opportunity?

    Rumour I heard is that the real reason the council closed their office on the weekend after the disaster and failed to offer any support is because they were too busy destroying incriminating evidence
    Fuck me. If that last bit is true... hell should await them all.


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    Default Re: Latimer Road fire: Huge fire engulfs west London tower block

    Camden Council now evacuating a tower block as I type

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    Default Re: Latimer Road fire: Huge fire engulfs west London tower block

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    Camden Council now evacuating a tower block as I type
    Good on them, glad to hear at least one council is taking their responsibility seriously. I heard a few others have fire brigade watching blocks 24/7 until cladding can be removed.

    While that's obviously better than taking no precautions, I was scratching my head thinking where they are going to magic up appliances that can reach high enough if there is an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Overdose View Post
    Fuck me. If that last bit is true... hell should await them all.


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    David Lammy predicted this a week ago when he said arrests should be made and that the police should immediately move in to preserve evidence.
    He's a former Barrister so he should know how these things work.
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    Default Re: Latimer Road fire: Huge fire engulfs west London tower block

    Have also heard the Rumour stories. My cousin works for the council and has friends in London councils.. He is the type though so I take everything he says with a swimming pool of salt

    He does say the same though... there was a lot of paper shredding, archives urgently accessed etc He also reckons some departments were shut down for 72 hours without explanation!!

    Dunno. BS maybe..

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    Camden Council now evacuating a tower block as I type
    Sounds excessive to me. Their original plan was to have permanently stationed fire marshals at all affected building, which made sense and wouldn't be as disruptive. They could already practice drills, make sure dry/wet risers are functional, install alarms etc.. as well as providing residents with the visual assurance they need.
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