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    BBC News Las Vegas shooting: Concert-goers take cover amid gunfire

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    Panicked concert-goers sheltered where they could amid the sound of automatic gunfire in Las Vegas.

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    Over 50 dead and 200 injured so far. That is fucking grim.

    So far it looks like it is not related to terrorism. 64 year old local resident was the shooter and has been shot dead.

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    Proper batshit nuts that is.

    If it was Isis, trump would have blown a fuse. Wonder how he will deal with this...


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    ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens



    LAS VEGAS—In the hours following a violent rampage in Las Vegas in which a lone attacker killed more than 50 individuals and seriously injured 400 others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Monday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Iowa resident Kyle Rimmels, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep these individuals from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

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    Default Re: Las Vegas shooting: Concert-goers take cover amid gunfire

    The past few days says it all with regards to guns.

    Knife attack in France: 2 dead.
    Gun attack in America: 58 dead.

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    Default Re: Las Vegas shooting: Concert-goers take cover amid gunfire

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    Proper batshit nuts that is.

    If it was Isis, trump would have blown a fuse. Wonder how he will deal with this...


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    ISIS have declared he was working for them and converted to Islam 3 months ago. Usual bullshit claims from ISIS in my opinion.

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    Default Re: Las Vegas shooting: Concert-goers take cover amid gunfire

    ISIS wankers would claim a dog shit on floor if someone slipped and died from it fuckin scum.

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    Default Re: Las Vegas shooting: Concert-goers take cover amid gunfire

    I'll be very surprised if this leads to any sort of additional gun control. After Sandy Hook nothing changed, if shooting kids in school isn't enough to bring change then nothing will.

    How terrible for the victims and injured.
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    Default Re: Las Vegas shooting: Concert-goers take cover amid gunfire

    I've tried time and time again to reason with American people I know that although yes, guns don't kill people, people kill people" that if such highpowered, high capacity, fast firing weapons weren't so readily available, then the overall death toll would be significantly lower, but it's like there's something missing from their brain!. Some small part of it that just simply cannot comprehend what it is you're trying to say.

    They'll never give up their right to bear arms, in which case, make it so the potential impact is greatly lowered.

    They're that stubborn that one guy I know who's sister was shot in the head and killed with a legally owned rifle by her husband STILL disagrees with the banning of firearms.


    The sad thing is, I'm not even surprised and even less shocked about yesterdays mass shooting.

    I'm wondering now, at what point will "Homeland" (TV Show) tackle the issue of white Americans killing Americans?, because that is technically a larger threat on US soil than any islamic militant..... and who will Carrie fuck in that season?
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    Default Re: Las Vegas shooting: Concert-goers take cover amid gunfire

    93 people a day die from firearms in the US. If your society is so broken that it produces so much violence, then the only sensible policy is to restrict access to deadly weapons of any kind. Either that, or try and fix your society.

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    Default Re: Las Vegas shooting: Concert-goers take cover amid gunfire

    I don't think making any weapon like the ones used will make ANY difference to gun crime in the US or anywhere else for that matter. Most States already have bans on ownership of fully auto weapons and those that do require months of scrutiny and on top of that cost thousands of dollars to acquire.
    France has a total ban for example and has seen recent attacks like the Champs Elysees attack earlier this year ( April 20, 2017) where a semi-automatic weapon was used. My point is that bad people/criminals will always find a way to acquire them. In the UK explosives can be acquired (or made) by radical nutcases and used to promote sick ideologies. You cant ban something that is already supposed to be unlawful!

    As a side note here is some global road death stats:
    Annual Global Road Crash Statistics


    Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day.
    An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled.
    More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.
    Road traffic crashes rank as the 9th leading cause of death and account for 2.2% of all deaths globally.
    Road crashes are the leading cause of death among young people ages 15-29, and the second leading cause of death worldwide among young people ages 5-14.
    Each year nearly 400,000 people under 25 die on the world's roads, on average over 1,000 a day.
    Over 90% of all road fatalities occur in low and middle-income countries, which have less than half of the world's vehicles.
    Road crashes cost USD $518 billion globally, costing individual countries from 1-2% of their annual GDP.
    Road crashes cost low and middle-income countries USD $65 billion annually, exceeding the total amount received in developmental assistance.
    Unless action is taken, road traffic injuries are predicted to become the fifth leading cause of death by 2030.

    I don't see a total ban on cars happening although Sadiq Cant may call a ban anytime soon in London.

    On top of all of that although its totally shocking what has happened it only takes one unstable person to flip and create chaos and carnage. Personally I hope whoever did it had a slow painful death!

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    Default Re: Las Vegas shooting: Concert-goers take cover amid gunfire

    My tin foil hat is ever so slightly on with this tragedy !! Things just don't seem to add up imho

    Maybe I am over thinking things

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    Default Re: Las Vegas shooting: Concert-goers take cover amid gunfire

    Quote Originally Posted by piggzy View Post
    My tin foil hat is ever so slightly on with this tragedy !! Things just don't seem to add up imho

    Maybe I am over thinking things
    Ditto !

    I was thinking the same, some of the media reports don't seem plausible.

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    Default Re: Las Vegas shooting: Concert-goers take cover amid gunfire

    Quote Originally Posted by billynoguts View Post
    Ditto !

    I was thinking the same, some of the media reports don't seem plausible.

    Seems like the perfect setup and the bloke if he is indeed the perp seems like the perfect target of a setup.
    With resources could a person easily kill him, plant a shit loads of guns, perform the shooting and vanish ?!?!?!?


    Like I said I am telling myself I am a silly tin foil hat wearing cunt but something seems very strange to me.

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    Default Re: Las Vegas shooting: Concert-goers take cover amid gunfire

    Quote Originally Posted by billynoguts View Post
    I don't think making any weapon like the ones used will make ANY difference to gun crime in the US or anywhere else for that matter. Most States already have bans on ownership of fully auto weapons and those that do require months of scrutiny and on top of that cost thousands of dollars to acquire.
    France has a total ban for example and has seen recent attacks like the Champs Elysees attack earlier this year ( April 20, 2017) where a semi-automatic weapon was used. My point is that bad people/criminals will always find a way to acquire them. In the UK explosives can be acquired (or made) by radical nutcases and used to promote sick ideologies. You cant ban something that is already supposed to be unlawful!

    As a side note here is some global road death stats:
    Annual Global Road Crash Statistics

    Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day.
    An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled.
    More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.
    Road traffic crashes rank as the 9th leading cause of death and account for 2.2% of all deaths globally.
    Road crashes are the leading cause of death among young people ages 15-29, and the second leading cause of death worldwide among young people ages 5-14.
    Each year nearly 400,000 people under 25 die on the world's roads, on average over 1,000 a day.
    Over 90% of all road fatalities occur in low and middle-income countries, which have less than half of the world's vehicles.
    Road crashes cost USD $518 billion globally, costing individual countries from 1-2% of their annual GDP.
    Road crashes cost low and middle-income countries USD $65 billion annually, exceeding the total amount received in developmental assistance.
    Unless action is taken, road traffic injuries are predicted to become the fifth leading cause of death by 2030.


    I don't see a total ban on cars happening although Sadiq Cant may call a ban anytime soon in London.


    On top of all of that although its totally shocking what has happened it only takes one unstable person to flip and create chaos and carnage. Personally I hope whoever did it had a slow painful death!
    The semi-automatic is somewhat misleading, nearly all the gun shops sell the simple conversion kit to make it fully automatic and this is legal, this gunman obviously had his converted as he fired around 600 rounds, I agree bad people will do bad things but limiting their access to the tools to perform the bad things and restricting licencing more limits the deaths, there will always be people who find a way to get the weapons but it would also stop some and save lives. I am somewhat apathetic over the US situation as I don't see anything changing ever in the light them blocking all restrictions and changes after the sandy hook massacre.

    I don't really get the road death comparison but will address it as you seemed to use it as a comparison, after say a bad crash or a lot of crashes/deaths on a stretch of road or a junction, with a particular type, brand of vehicle they have investigations and recommendations looking to see what can be done either through improvement to vehicle safety, driver training and restrictions etc, after every massacre in the US the gun lobby and right wing media always say 'this is not the time to be talking about restrictions' and block even the idea of looking at it.

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    BBC News America's gun culture in eight charts


    The worst mass shooting in the United States has once again raised questions about gun ownership and whether there should be tougher controls.
    About 40% of Americans say they own a gun or live in a household with one, according to a 2017 survey, and the rate of murder or manslaughter by firearm is the highest in the developed world.
    How does the US compare with other countries?

    More than 11,000 people in the US were killed by a gun in 2016 - representing more than two-thirds of all homicides, which include murder and manslaughter.
    Who owns the world's guns?

    While it is difficult to know exactly how many guns civilians own around the world, by every estimate the US with around 270 million is far out in front. Switzerland and Finland are the European countries with the most guns per person.
    How do US gun deaths break down?

    There have been more than 90 mass shootings - killings involving four or more victims - in the US since 1982. But the overall number of people killed in mass shootings each year represents only a tiny percentage of the total number.
    There were nearly twice as many suicides involving firearms in 2015 as there were murders caused by guns, and the rate has been increasing in recent years. Indeed suicide by firearm accounts for almost half of all suicides in the US, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention.
    A 2016 study published in the American Journal of Public Health found there was a strong relationship between higher levels of gun ownership in a state and higher firearm suicide rates for both men and women.
    Las Vegas attack

    The Las Vegas attack was the worst in recent US history - and the three shootings with the highest number of casualties have all happened within the past 10 years.
    What types of guns kill Americans?

    Military-style assault weapons have been blamed for some of the major mass shootings such as the attack in an Orlando nightclub and at the Sandy Hook School in Connecticut. The police said dozens of rifles had been recovered from the scene of the Las Vegas shooting.
    A few US states have banned assault weapons, which were totally restricted for a decade until 2004. However most murders caused by guns involve handguns, according to FBI data.
    How much do guns cost to buy?

    For those from countries where guns are not widely owned, it can be a surprise to discover that they are relatively cheap to purchase in the US.
    Handguns, which were reportedly among Paddock's arsenal discovered in his hotel room, can cost about $200 (£151) - as much as a Chromebook laptop for example - and can be bought from specialist shops or big chains like Walmart.
    Assault rifles like the ones also reportedly found in Paddock's room can cost from around $1500 (£1,132).
    Given that 23 weapons were found at the hotel and further 19 at his home, Paddock may have spent more than $70,000 (£52,800) on weapons and accessories, such as tripods, scopes, ammunition and cartridges.
    Who supports gun control?

    US public opinion on the banning of handguns has changed dramatically over the last 60 years. This dataset is incomplete but it shows that support has shifted over time and now a significant majority opposes a ban on handguns, according to polling by Gallup.
    However some controls are widely supported by people across the political divide - such as restricting the sale of guns to people who are mentally ill, or on "watch" lists.
    In his latest comment on the shootings, President Donald Trump said he would be "talking about gun laws as times goes by". The White House said now is not the time to be debating gun control.
    His predecessor, Barack Obama, struggled to get any new gun control laws onto the statute books, because of Republican opposition.
    Who opposes gun control?

    The National Rifle Association (NRA) campaigns against all forms of gun control in the US and argues that more guns make the country safer.
    It is among the most powerful special interest lobby groups in the US, with a substantial budget to influence members of Congress on gun policy.
    In total about one in five US gun owners say they are members of the NRA - and it has especially widespread support from Republican-leaning gun owners, according to Pew Research.
    In terms of lobbying, the NRA officially spends about $3m per year to influence gun policy.
    The chart shows only the recorded contributions to lawmakers published by the Senate Office of Public Records. The NRA spends millions more elsewhere, such as on supporting the election campaigns of political candidates who oppose gun controls.
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    Default Re: Las Vegas shooting: Concert-goers take cover amid gunfire

    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Bouncer View Post
    I don't really get the road death comparison but will address it as you seemed to use it as a comparison, after say a bad crash or a lot of crashes/deaths on a stretch of road or a junction, with a particular type, brand of vehicle they have investigations and recommendations looking to see what can be done either through improvement to vehicle safety, driver training and restrictions etc, after every massacre in the US the gun lobby and right wing media always say 'this is not the time to be talking about restrictions' and block even the idea of looking at it.
    My point being is that ultimately all guns/cars have the potential to kill given the ingredient of human interaction. Just by banning a sort of part/type of a gun will have zero effect on this happening again! Exactly the same as the car/death analogy. Just add one idiot and.......

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    Default Re: Las Vegas shooting: Concert-goers take cover amid gunfire

    Quote Originally Posted by billynoguts View Post
    My point being is that ultimately all guns/cars have the potential to kill given the ingredient of human interaction. Just by banning a sort of part/type of a gun will have zero effect on this happening again! Exactly the same as the car/death analogy. Just add one idiot and.......
    It will always happen again you won't stop that but you can stop it happening as often and save lives so I am not sure on the argument you are trying to make unless you are of the opinion it won't save lives then you just have to look at the results of restrictions and bans in other countries in the world. You are correct cars have the potential to kill that is why they licence them and make people take tests before allowing them to drive and are constantly looking at ways to improve safety and competence of drivers which helps save lives.

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    Default Re: Las Vegas shooting: Concert-goers take cover amid gunfire

    What is it that makes Americans want to shoot other people

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    Default Re: Las Vegas shooting: Concert-goers take cover amid gunfire

    Machine guns and assault rifles should be outlawed, yes I agree. The problem being is "what next?". Idiots will always find a way to Carry out this sort of thing. Don't forget it also took over an hour for the swat team to get to this guy, in that amount of time he could have been using a rifle or other high powered weapon to pick off people. I don't have an answer to the solution of what to ban although maybe a good look at laws on medication and gun ownership would be a better angle?

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