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  • Cant wait to own one.

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  • I will try it out but my arse will clench tight enough to crack walnuts.

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    Default Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    At some point in my lifetime I will clearly end up in a self driving car. Not sure I am entirely pleased about this and after reading about the Uber fatality has made me mull it over a little more...

    What are your views?

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    No way. Something like this needs the ability to adapt and think for itself.

    I'm not saying AI won't be brilliant one day.....but we are much farther off than we think. We're not even close to understanding the complexity of the human mind....and therefore can't recreate it.

    Plus, look at recent historic examples of self driving cars. In I-Robot....didn't end well. Minority Report.....didn't end well. Johnny Cab in Total Recall????.....didn't end well.

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    Flumps right.
    Relying on a car to navigate via gps or other proprietary system is always going to be flawed.
    A car needs its own AI to be able to adapt and react and until that happens, fuck all kinds of that

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    Quote Originally Posted by flumperino View Post
    Plus, look at recent historic examples of self driving cars. In I-Robot....didn't end well. Minority Report.....didn't end well. Johnny Cab in Total Recall????.....didn't end well.
    I'm not the only one that learns life lessons from fiction then ;-)

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    If it has a place at all it will be on motorways. Long stretches of road with mixed traffic traveling at a similar relative speed. Adaptive cruise control is a start. Anywhere that pedestrians are excluded is going to be the most suitable. I don't think it's realistic to get in a car and say ok take me to Argos then Tesco. Of course we'd all like to have our own personal taxi at the end of a night out but where is the border between control and safety. There can't be one in my opinion.
    No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    Uber halts self-driving car tests after death

    Uber has said it is suspending self-driving car tests in all US cities after a fatal accident.
    A woman was hit by a car and killed as she crossed the street in Tempe, Arizona.
    Uber said it was cooperating with local authorities in Arizona following the crash.
    The death comes a year after Uber took its self-driving cars off the road following an accident that left a Volvo SUV on its side in Arizona.
    Uber chief executive Dara Khosrowshahi said the death was "incredibly sad news".
    "We're thinking of the victim's family as we work with local law enforcement to understand what happened," he said in a tweet.


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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    I'd use them but I love driving so wouldn't want to give up my control completely, could be handy to work in the car whilst it self drives sometimes though.

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    I think AI is no more unreliable than most of the nut cases that get behind a wheel. Not to mention drink drivers or even peeps like this!

    And then once AI only has to adapt to other AI, then it'll be a damn sight safer. Bring it on I say.

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    You see some programs where the technology looks amazing like the http://www.channel4.com/programmes/g...-the-robot-car guy martin episode.

    The Lidar principal seems to work well but the big issue with these technologies is how it copes in a disaster, there was an experiment I seen ages a go where the put people in this car and told them to drive around this empty car park and something was going to fail so be prepared. But really 2 things would fail.

    So the bonnet failed and kicked up and blocked their vision so every one of them whacked on the brakes (which you would) but also the brakes failed also. a few of them were straight on the handbrake and controlled the car others just shit themselves and the instructor stopped the car.

    And in Guy martins programme the auto racing car he was in crashes out as the grip level on a corner had changed.

    So the Self drive car I am in has a puncture on the motorway will it be able to stop me safely avoiding all other self drive cars? or what about brake failure?

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    I love driving so taking away that and giving it to something that could have a dodgy line of code doesn't appeal to me.

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    i think its started, we need to send John Conner back to prevent the robots taking over lol

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    The footage of the Uber incident has been released and I'd say it's impossible that a human would have stopped in time judging by when the person became visible, however I'd have thought self-driving cars would have sensors to scan obstructions ahead...

    Spoiler:

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    Quote Originally Posted by evilsatan View Post
    The footage of the Uber incident has been released and I'd say it's impossible that a human would have stopped in time judging by when the person became visible, however I'd have thought self-driving cars would have sensors to scan obstructions ahead...
    I think you are right looking at that and to be fair she should have had high vis gear on. Nothing at all appeared reflective on her and until the headlights turned to light her up at the very last second she was completely invisible. I would assume only some form of night vision tech could have avoided this.

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    Yeah the cars are fitted with LIDAR and RADAR and IfraRed cameras so the colour of her clothes should be irrelevant.

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    I think we are years and years away from this ever being a safe option and as posted in this thread earlier, it should be restricted to motorways where there are theoretically no pedestrians on the loose ........

    Btw is it only me that thinks that was one ugly bird in the car?

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lestronics View Post
    I think we are years and years away from this ever being a safe option and as posted in this thread earlier, it should be restricted to motorways where there are theoretically no pedestrians on the loose ........

    Btw is it only me that thinks that was one ugly bird in the car?
    I think it's only you who even thinks it's a bird...

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    Quote Originally Posted by evilsatan View Post
    I think it's only you who even thinks it's a bird...
    Fuck me I think he is right. Completely looked like a geezer but just rewatched and I think Lestronics is right pmsl

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    No the point of driving is being in control.

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    I have to say despite being a petrol head that I would love a self driving car (that I could control manually if desired).

    Driving in London is rarely fun, normally just stuck in traffic. Would be great to be able to make phone calls and read up whilst on the way to a job, and would be great to be able to drive to the pub and have the car drive me back.

    However I would want to have manual controls for the few times I get a nice clear stretch of road, and to be able to override the computer if it goes wrong.

    I think perfectly safe cars are totally impossible. Despite any level of technology, people will get injured or die. However often I read that any incident involved a self driving car is cited as why we shouldn't go down this path.

    I think a more reasonable way to look at things would be to look at number of miles driven in regular/self driven cars, and the number of accidents resulting in injury/death.

    If self driving cars prove to have a lower rate of injury per mile driven, then that shows they are a better alternative to what we are currently using. Even if they aren't far off that shows it's promising technology that requires further evolution (and maybe behaviour of humans will need to evolve, I'm guessing like it did when motor cars first came about).

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    Default Re: Self Driving Cars.... Will you, wont you ?

    The newer golfs have a radar on the front.With a dsg gearbox, it’s really good. It takes a bit of getting used to, but if you put on the cruise control, it will follow the car in front and if needed will break to a standstill, then you just blip the gas and off she goes. I’ve driven miles, with just having to steer. Not quite fully automated, but it’s going in the right direction.
    TAR seems to be a decent bloke!

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