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    Default Why gamecube will win the console race

    HARD FACTS ABOUT XBOX
    1. Piss-poor design.
    The system is the brain child of Seamus Blackley, a 32-year-old red-haired jazz pianist and nuclear physicist. To quote him: "I was flying back from visiting [my girlfriend] and I had just got a new laptop and I was trying it out on the plane and I was thinking about graphics cards and I realized that we could make a machine that had much higher performance than anything else in the industry." Yeah, it's called PC dumbass. Real revolutionary idea. Take existing hardware, throw it together in a big clunky box and call it a console. Everything about the system reeks of poor design. Rather than getting a hand full of the most talented game developers in the world (here's a hint: YOU WON'T FIND THEM MAKING PC TITLES IN THE US ASSHOLE--GO TO JAPAN) and designing a system around the games from the ground up, Blackley comes along with an unlimited supply of stupid ideas about the gaming industry and designs a system that he himself admitted to being "little more than exposed cards with processors and graphics chips hooked to a monitor." No shit? I couldn't tell from how HUGE the case is. It's almost as if it was thrown together with pieces bought off of a store shelf--oh wait. What more, once he senses the impending fizzle of the launch, he bails from the company to work someplace else--where he'll inevitably spawn more stupid ideas.
    2. The games suck.
    It's been almost one full year since the launch of the Xbox and so far the only game that doesn't suck as much as everything else on the system is Halo. Everything else is either out on another console, mediocre or a boring PC port. Even Halo doesn't cut it as far as I'm concerned. The first person shooter (FPS) genre is best done on PC, period (just because some genres have been represented best on PC doesn't mean I'm biased towards PC, if anything I'm biased towards consoles so quit emailing me). As good as Halo is, it's not even the best in its genre (an honor reserved for Half Life as far as I'm concerned). The Xbox library of games is flooded with shit titles like "Azurik": games that seem more like projects for computer science majors in their senior year at college than professional products. I would rather be shot than have to play one more uninspired ho-hum platform title starring some stupid cat or some random guy that runs around bumping into other vague uninspired objects. Throw that shit away.
    Here are some examples of the bullshit games on the Xbox:
    Max Payne - Wait, so not only do I lose the ability to adjust my resolution and system specs to improve performance, but I get a game that's been out for months on PC already? Where do I sign? The game's not too bad, but why bother with it on Xbox when it's on PC already?
    Nightcaster - How original, a rushed third-person RPG title with four magic types: light, dark, fire and water. But wait, here's where the strategy comes in: use water against fire, light against dark enemies, etc. Brilliant.
    Blood Wake - I liked this game better when it was called Twisted Metal and you drove cars instead of boats. Unoriginal, uninspired.
    Azurik: Rise of Perathia - Would have been more aptly titled "Azurik: Onset of Paralysis." Bad gameplay, poor camera, muddy textures, lame characters. Does the fun ever start?
    Star Wars: Obi-Wan - More like "Star Wars: Obi-Wanna-Play-A-Different-Game." Poor AI, poor controls, boring environments. Any non-geeks care to play this? Doubtful.
    Bruce Lee: Quest of the Dragon - Broken gameplay, bad camera work, cheesy voice acting, and the game crashes. All this crap for just $50? It's a win/win situation for publishers: put a lackluster effort into development and make boat-loads of cash off of suck-er.. customers.
    Sure, every console has its share of shitty games but the Xbox has a disproportionately higher percentage of them. In fact, I think only the N64 rivals the Xbox in the shitty to good title ratio. When all is said and done, it doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks about the games, the fact is that the games just aren't selling. All you cry-baby, whining, sniveling bitches can stop emailing me with "HAY MADDOX YOU IDIOT YOU DIDN'T MENTION DEAD TO RIGHTS LOL!!!" Because here are some cold hard facts:
    For the entire month of July, only 2 games made it into the top 20 highest sellers (based on units sold), and only 1 in the top 10: Halo at #10 and NCAA Football 2003 at #11. For the month of June, only 3 games made it into the top 20, with only 2 in the top 10. Same for the month of May 2002, and only one in the top 10 in the month of April 2002. Even when the Xbox newly launched, their best month ever has only yielded 4 games in the top 20 with only 2 in the top 10, and don't even bother looking at Japan's stats where the Wonder Swan system is outselling most Xbox games (Source: NPD TRSTS Video Game Service). Compare this to Sony's healthy 15 titles and you can see the big picture. I don't favor Sony's platforms, but these are facts. Any other systems sell this poorly in recent memory? Oh yeah, the Dreamcast and where is the DC now? The DC was by far my favorite system in its prime, but the only difference between me and all you whining Xbox pussies is that I can see the same thing happening here. It doesn't matter how good anyone thinks the games are, because they're just not selling which should tell you dumbasses something. That's not to say that good games always sell, but there's no excuse for Microsoft to have this kind of piss-poor performance because they have all the marketing muscle in the world to make it happen and they're screwing it up.
    3. The controller is almost as big as my nuts.
    This has to be by far the shittiest controller packed with a home console ever. What were they thinking? Over 25% of the surface area on the controller is wasted by a giant green Xbox jewel--you know, in case you forget what system you're playing in between loading screens. You can seriously drop the controller onto a cat from 5 feet and break its back... so I've heard.
    What Microsoft should have done was team up with Sega to buy all their unsold Dreamcasts and just use them as controllers for the Xbox. It probably would have been smaller than the 8 lb atrocity that they have now.
    4. People who own the Xbox don't play video games.
    The average Xbox owner attends Microsoft SQL Server release parties, reads books on database theory and hates games like Super Mario because they're too old for "kiddie" games since everyone knows that it's graphics, not game play that makes a great game. I mean, why play a game that's actually fun when you can waste hours watching rendered, uninteractive intros instead? Ask the typical Xbox owner what other video games or consoles he likes and you'll draw a blank stare. The reason they bought an Xbox was because it's by Microsoft and they're blindly devoted to the company, not because of the games (being as there aren't any).

    5. No Soul.
    You'll never see games like Metal Slug, Radiant Silvergun or Castlevania come out for the Xbox because Microsoft hasn't made the system attractive to the Japanese market. Capcom, Konami, SNK and a slew of other big game developers have turned their backs towards the Xbox except for a cursory presence with a half-hearted title port. There is light at the end of the tunnel, however. Sega is working on a Panzer Dragoon title as well as Toe Jam & Earl III. Regardless, the Xbox is still a PC at heart, right down to the hard drive and buggy software.
    6. Shitty philosophy.
    Blackley thought he had the formula for a great system because all the components were there for a great system (and they are): a powerful graphics chip, a beefy hard drive, a fast processor and DVD capabilities. What he failed to realize was that just because you have all the raw material to make a great system doesn't mean it's going to be great. Saying the Xbox is a good system because it's powerful is like saying you made a great painting because you used the best set of paints.
    The Xbox is designed by people who think they know a joystick from their assholes. The problem is that they're mostly fat white business men and not gamers. They're out to make a buck and it's painfully obvious in how poorly they're marketing the system (I think they've cornered the market on middle-aged men who buy one or two sports titles per year for their system).
    7. Too expensive.
    The last figures I heard were that Microsoft was eating $150 on every Xbox sale because they had hoped to subsidize the hardware cost with software sales. Too bad that all their software is shit, otherwise their plan might have worked. Unfortunately, Microsoft has deep pockets so we'll probably have to endure a couple more years of mediocre Xbox titles until Microsoft's share holders decide they've had enough. Don't buy an Xbox. Or if you do, wait until something worth buying comes out for it first.
    For all you inevitably offended Xbox owners and developers, quit bitching. I'm not hell bent on the ruin of the Xbox, and I'll eventually buy one, but not until some 'decent' shit comes out for it (ie, more than one game worth purchasing). The point of this article is that there are a lot of dumb cocks out there who buy systems out of blind devotion to the company rather than the games.
    A lot of people email me asking which console I prefer. The console I prefer is the console with the most games that I want to play, and right now Gameboy Advance and PS2 have the most games that I want to play.

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    already read that some months ago ... word for word ( and in DF i believe .. )

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    Spot on though dont you think ?

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    Actually no. Good points made there but hardly an unbiased view.

    Xbox may have a load of crap games but there are loads of good ones too, nightfire, splinter cell, rallisport challenge....

    Gamecube, good games but, not many of them, a bit like the xbox.

    I hated the xbox, but after realising what it can do I love it and now have both.

    I think I read somewhere that the PS2 is outselling the xbox and cube totals combined so neither are going to win, the PS2 has it.

    Also when you say the xbox is a pc at heart you can say that about any console that consists of a cpu, memory, graphics chip and sound chip.
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    After all the hype about xbox I had to go out and get one especially after seeing the commercial of splinter cell the game looked astonishing, how dissapointed I was, I couldnt understand what all the fuss was about this game when i played it, the commercial must have shown cut scenes from the game but the actual in game play was difficult with bad control system the graphics were at best dreamcast, Oh dear I thought what is all the fuss about, for me the gamecube wins hands down, everything about gamecube is superior right down to the controller, ok spec wise the xbox is a more powerful machine but the games really do suck big time. If splinter cell is all this machine can do then I,m afraid mine will be sold shortly.

    look out xbox here comes metroid


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    Gotta say I agree with Gel...There are some superfly sh!te games on the xblox but there's also some quality (as per Gel's list and more) - also the online aspect is very exciting.

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    dont get me wrong i,m not a nintendo fanboy defo not as i never had any of there previous consoles, I am merely stating my truthfull opinion about the consoles. I decided to go for cube when it was released instead of the xbox simply because i couldnt wait to get my paws on resi evil remake, and I was delighted what i seen both visually and gameplay wise, you may be right about xbox having other good games but from what i,ve been reading halo and splinter cell seem to be used as a benchmark for what this console can do, and I was simply not impressed by either, which is why i favour the gamecube. Its small sexy cute and moden with nice cute little discs a superb RF controler which fits nicely in hand, and superb games with great gameplay, ok not many at present but i,d rather have a handfull of quality games than a shit load of crap ones.

    I think most xbox releases would be scrapped at nintendos quality control, which is probably why there aint many cube games at present.

    the only thing i fear may keep xbox alive is the homebrew scene, but I already own a pc so i dont need that. oh and my pc usb controler is much more comfortable than xbox


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    Originally posted by Gel

    Also when you say the xbox is a pc at heart you can say that about any console that consists of a cpu, memory, graphics chip and sound chip.
    well , admit at least that R&D cost for the Xbox is ridiculous : celeron CPU , NV2A GPU , Nforce mobo ...
    they simply didn't create a single thing for their Xbox , when Sony and nintendo started from scratch ( even if the GC is based on a custom PPC .. the architecture is built from nothing ! )

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    Flinty I can dig your point of view but you must have been drinking (or playing the beta) if you think Splinter cells graphics are like the dreamcast. I am not entering into a mine better than yours again, which seems to be very popular in the cube forums - maybe it s cos there isnt anything else to talk about with the lack of nintendos uk support, no mods or home brew stuff etc.

    The way to look at the different console is simple.

    Nintenndo has gone the traditional route (nothing wrong with that) and made a bigger better badder N64 - all the games that are classically nintendo are remade and are better on the cube - it has always beens Nintendos way and its popular. Unfortunatley you also get all the things they have aways been crap at - UK support, number of titles, most game very japanesey - cartoon characters everyware and so on.

    PS2 is the same but in PS1 style hence both are massive hits in Japan and with all the fans of the first 2 consoles.

    xbox has tried to go a different (and not necessarily better) way and take a PC and make a console of it. Hence it has some of the advantages and dissadvantages of both. I play more games on my pc than all of my 3 consoles put together - thats just a personal thing - and I really like the fact that I can play a good FPS with 8 or nine mates without having get all our PC's together. I like PC games and the Xbox does them well - I dont like very japanese style games - they are genius but I just dont enjoy them that much- - Zelda bored me after a week or so.

    Thats it really - not a rant, its all about taste. I like using my Xbox as a media center - its networked to my PC permanently and acts like a head unit for all the movies and MP3's I have on the PC, I enjoyed halo and I love Splinter Cell. Its it time to stop reposting all the consoles faults and look at what makes them good - pop into the Xbox forum and count the "game cube is crap" posts - there arent any. Hell - buy one and cellotape it your cube and have the best of both.


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    Point taken bud These forums i submise are to voice opinions etc etc, without any hard feelings for anyone which i havnt got I just think it makes good conversation to air opinions and give people food for thought, I am merely stating why I think cube is the better console with no disrespect to others, if you look at reviews across the web about all consoles you will find all have there fair share of faults including gamecube, I do however think that with all of microsofts $$$ muscle they could have come up with something more original than a pc in a console, as for splinter cell being dreamcastishhh...! I really did think it was on par maybe slightly better than dcast, I played the game for about 10 mins and didnt see anything mindblowing graphically, as for cubes cell shaded graphics well it seems that ninty have deliberatly done this on certain games, but games like rougue leader, resi evil , metroid these games are far from cell shaded which proves ninty are now catering for all age categories, gone are the days when all ninty games were aimed at kiddies, ninty have realised that to compete they have to move away from that image and thats exactly what they have done, some folk are happy having all the homebrew stuff with xbox but i dont see any point having an extra pc in a box when my pc is fully capable of doing all xbox homebrew and more, gamecube is a quick fix get up and have some fun console and thats what consoles have always been about as far as i know.


    ran rant rant oh shut up flinty

    sos about the rant fe-man

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    More bitchin about the Xbox FFS - Y does noone on here ever mention the PS2 in these threads, it's stuffing both the Xbox and GC but noone ever winges about the PS2's specs or design flaws.
    Granted, Xbox games are generally poor but I'd rather play the Xbox version of a game than the PS2 version as there's often extras and propper surround sound. The GC on the other hand just doesn't have enough choice of games to interest me just yet but I'm sure I'll sell my Xbox and swap it for a GC in the end (if tendo pull their fingers out that is).
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    Originally posted by El_Dadou
    well , admit at least that R&D cost for the Xbox is ridiculous : celeron CPU , NV2A GPU , Nforce mobo ...
    they simply didn't create a single thing for their Xbox , when Sony and nintendo started from scratch ( even if the GC is based on a custom PPC .. the architecture is built from nothing ! )
    A valid point, but thats going a bit far into the complexities of things, I just wanted to take a bit of fire out of Flinty's original post.

    :tired:

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    Originally posted by Gel
    Xbox may have a load of crap games but there are loads of good ones too, nightfire, splinter cell, rallisport challenge....
    the original article was written a few months after the Xbrick was released - there are some better games out now

    seeing as everyone else has stated their preferences on here, i'll add my twopennorth:

    1) PS2
    2)X Brick (mainly for Halo)
    3) Cube - didn't think it was anything special at all
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    that was absolutely hilarious.. im still laughing..

    i don't agree with most (nearly all) of it, but it was definitely worth posting just to make me laugh...

    cheers!

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    Jeez u have a very shallow sense of humour it would be madness not to believe there was any truth in that post.

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    Anyone know what Navie is on about ?

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    Originally posted by flinty
    Jeez u have a very shallow sense of humour it would be madness not to believe there was any truth in that post.

    flinty
    yeah i agree, there is some truth there but u must admit it is completely biased. the way in which it slated the xbox amused me, thats all m8..

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    Oh I see, its just u did state that u didnt believe in any of it. I didnt really think of it as being biased just factual.

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    i have both the gc and xbox, and they both coexist on there own merits there is no point in the debate that one is better than the other, games like ralli sport show what the xbox can do, and metroid what nintendo can do (best games programmers in the world etc etc).

    Its well easy to say that halo is okay but not great (even though its brilliant IMHO - refer to the edge review), mario sunshine although good didn't do for me what Super mario 64 did - it has a nice heat filter effect but the framerate doesn't match the n64 game (insert flame here) and the wow factor isn't there anymore -(not like when we saw it running for the first time at e3 whilst watching bad influence or gamesmaster).

    Same for Rouge Leader - which i didn't play for more than a day, as well as SSBM which was like the n64 version playability (which i was shit hot at and played all the time). and then luigi (nuff said about that).

    Yes i know that Metroid is coming out (don't know if i will like it too much as i thought the gba version sucked - too much running over the same rooms). And zelda (i won't say any thing against this cell/toon shaded lovely).

    But its still holds true that 90% of my current gaming time goes on the xbox (halo online).

    The point is that its easy to be critical about anything. who gives a flying **** if the xbox is based on the NV25, how many textured polys it can render, if the guy sat down and thought "oh i'll turn a laptop into a optimised games machine" who cares. I've been coding 8086 for as long as i can remember and its plain obvious that a standard pc has too much bottle necks/legacy crap (segmented memory). So nintendo have perpriatory internals - again who cares, shit - the n64 was supposidly on par with a low end silicon graphics work station (err yeah ok). Geeks back then were debating this when comparing back the the PS if i remember correctly.

    I think they both have there pro's and con's. However i can't be bothered to console bash - i've been playing games for the last 23 years and have heard it all before (yawn)..amiga vs St, snes vs megadrive, com 64 vs speccy..

    Just incase you think i'm a m$ fanboy - I have only bought nintendo h/w in the past - had a n64 import from hong kong before the uk version was out , i was there when they announced the endless delays to the thing. Add to this my GBA, Nes & Snes and you get the picture (there's a dc knocking about somewhere but best not mention that)

    At the end of the day you can go on about the two companies as much as you'd like, however they don't give a hoot anyhow (they'd throw your fanboy asses out of M$'s redmond office/Nintendo HQ osaka in about 10 secs flat)

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    Originally posted by flinty
    I think most xbox releases would be scrapped at nintendos quality control, which is probably why there aint many cube games at present.
    Flinty, i guess you didn't play all the crap that came out for the n64 and snes

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