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    Default A very long post about Nintendo Rev (worth the read)

    This is probably just some fool winding people up, and it defo becomes less believable when he mentions Rare (who are owned by MS) developing an FPS for nintendo! But I'd say its worth the read, even if its not true a lot of stuff in there is very convincing and better than most rumours going around.

    I loved the bit about showing up (to E3) with the Rev looking weak , and then BAM, like a big prank, like a trojan horse.

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    1. Aries Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 8:58 am

    I’ve been following this blog for awhile now, and I must saw I find it quite misleading. Is this a publicity stunt? For the record, I can 100% guarantee that the Nintendo Revolution will NOT use 3D images a la Spy Kids 3D.

    I worked for NOA for 5 years, and I am now currently working with a major 3rd party developer who happens to be working on all three next generation consoles. I’m not going to give out the company name, due to obvious reasons.

    The next generation hardware will bring about a total change in the way we view video games. You already know about the power of the Xbox 360 (Huxley is a great example), but the PS3 and the Revolution are going to blow you away. All three will be at E3, don’t worry. I knew the PS3 was going to be a very capible piece of hardware, but I didn’t image it would be as powerful as it truly is. Microsoft ran around telling everyone how much more powerful the Xbox was over the PS2 and GC. I wonder how they are going to market the Xbox 360, since in will be the weakest next generation console.

    I’m going to reveal some details about the Revolution, as well as give out some hints. I probally won’t reveal the “revolutionary” aspect of it, though. Nintendo has a enormous suprise waiting for you all at E3. You won’t believe your eyes.

    2. link Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 9:15 am

    go on then - you exNOA guy - spill the beans! Tell us what you know!

    3. killer7 Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 9:26 am

    yes tell us or i will hunt you down ex nintendo dude

    4. Squaracter Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 9:29 am

    Derek:
    The patent details code that allows a 3D camera system, like you’d see in just about any modern game, to keep multiple players on-screen at the same time. This sort of system is already used in stuff like Mario Party where you have multiple players controlling multiple 3D characters on screen at once, and the camera shifts to keep them all in the frame.

    The specific focus of the patent is to specify how such a camera system could be used to create a consistent focus point, rather than one that moves and shifts constantly (as, say, the camera in Gauntlet might). This allows you to keep your eye on a relatively fixed point on the screen rather than darting about constantly.

    That’s it. Smarter camera code. Nice to have, but NOTHING TO DO WITH 3D STEREOGRAMS / HOLOGRAPHIC PROJECTION / ETC.

    Gamesradar has picked up this story now, and it’s all because the author of this article didn’t bother to read what the patent was saying.

    There are going to be some disappointed fanboys at E3, but in this case it won’t be Nintendo’s fault. Hooray for lazy journalism.

    5. derek Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 9:37 am

    Squaracter,

    Hmm. That’s pretty much what I thought. The text in the patent paragraph was overly technical. That said, a ’smart’ camera system is NOT what Nintendo will be showcasing at E3.

    I’m sure Nintendo has something up their sleeves that will blow us all away.

    6. Derek Sarbou Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 9:39 am

    I was pretty much just speculating stuff I like to dream <img src='http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/shared/forum/emoticons/smile.gif'> . I do remember holographic technology that is starting to come around. I believe a company where I live (Rochester, Ny) was developing units for holographic projection. Then again it was for medical purposes. It still would be cool. Either way I am a die hard Nintendo fan and will get the Revolution and I am still excited about it.

    7. Derek Sarbou Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 10:19 am

    oh wait there is two dereks lol hey derek #2

    8. derek Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 10:20 am

    sup g.

    9. Will Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 10:25 am

    irrespective of this being a case of confusing patent descriptions, mightn’t it be possible to have the projection unit in the controller or at least a separate one for each player?

    10. link Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 11:53 am

    3D gaming? stop building up our hopes! lol

    11. Aries Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 2:14 pm

    You guys are still talking about the 3D angle of that article? Check the date of the patent in question. This has already been used in a game that’s out right now. I would suggest you pay attention to IGN or N-Sider more.

    Like I said, I’m going to give out some details on the next gen hardware, especially the Nintendo Revolution. You guys already know a lot of information on the Xbox 360; you guys have already seen the specs of the system. Gamespy released them around GDC. I was at GDC, and I’ll fill you in on some stuff that IGN can’t talk about. Specs and details on the Nintendo Revolution were given out to developers during the conference. I can verify that my company as well as EA and Midway received them at GDC. I’m positive other publishers received them as well.

    From what I’ve heard, Capcom and Namco are sold on the Revolution and are currently playing around with the development kits. I don’t know whether they are actually making games for it though. I was suprised to hear that Square Soft has a game in development for the Revolution. It will be at E3 as well as some other next gen titles for the PS3.

    I’m currently working on a game for the Revolution as well. I can’t guarantee that it will be at E3 though. I think people are going to be very suprised. When I worked with Nintendo, I was able to see the earliest builds of the system. It has come a long way, to say the least. There are a lot of graphics whores out there who feel the Revolution will be a weak system. They will be very suprised come E3. Microsoft is banking on stealing the show, but I think they will be upstaged by Nintendo as well as Sony. It’s going to be very funny to see them trying to get people excited about Perfect Dark 0 when both Nintendo and Sony will be showing off Halo killers.

    12. Dood Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 2:55 pm

    Aries = liar

    13. Genecyst Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 2:57 pm

    @Aries

    Though I really don´t know if I can truely believe the things you´re writing, you made me curious! So, maybe you´re just another freak, or you relly know something. Just tell us, what are the specs of Revolution? And what about the pads?

    14. Dood Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 3:06 pm

    He’s obviously douchebag with no connections what-so-ever.
    He still says Squaresoft…
    Who doesn’t KNOW if their game is gonna be at E3 (wtf)
    The Revolution won’t have 3D - BUT - We ‘wont believe our eyes’.

    I’m just a game tester and I probably know more than him.

    15. Aries Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 3:28 pm

    I am a liar? I’m a gamer just like you, Dood. Now, I get to be a gamer and work on them as well. It’s a great thing.

    I’m not going to share specs with you because they aren’t really that important. I think Iwata said something like that when asked the same question. All three consoles are going to be very powerful, trust me. I’ll give you some information though: it will be more powerful than the Xbox 360. Much more powerful. Many gamers seem to think it will be as powerful as the GBA or something. That isn’t the case at all. From what I saw during my time their as well as our game, it will be very capible.

    But having the most powerful console doesn’t guarantee that gamers are going to buy it. Software sells the games. And if that statement holds true next generation, the Nintendo Revolution will be very popular.

    In my next post I will “spill the beans” on everything I know about the Revolution. I’ll give you some hints though. All the rumors out there are not mere rumors. Some are planted by people who are working on the consoles. In fact, Nintendo is doing this right now with the information they’ve released on the Revolution. You are going to see why Nintendo hasn’t just come out and said confirmed that the Revolution is going to be very powerful. You’re going to be punk’d by them in a couple weeks. Pay attention to the boards, especially Nintendo’s board. It’s much better than OurColony.

    16. Amuroray Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 3:29 pm

    Dear Aries

    Don t know if you really work on Revolution, but can you tell me what is the game your are talking about?The one which already use the 3D angle stuff…

    17. Sean Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 3:29 pm

    Dood, keep in mind that things change at the last minute. If I remember correctly, Miyamoto was supposed to show off Mario 128 at last E3, but at the last minute decided not to (that whole paranoia thing.) I still say Squaresoft <img src='http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/shared/forum/emoticons/razz.gif'> Also, a system doesn’t need to have 3D to blow us away <img src='http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/shared/forum/emoticons/wink.gif'> On that note, I’m also sorta skeptical on you, Aries. Nothing personal, it’s just that you don’t have evidence to back your claims and you can’t provide any (unless you want to get fired, of course.)

    18. Aries Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 3:42 pm

    Well, Sean, of course I can’t give out everything. You’re right; I don’t want to get fired. If I confirm the game I’m working on, we’ll all get in trouble.

    Amuroray, I think you know already. The game is for the Gamecube obviously. I just can’t believe people think it has anything to do with next generation hardware.

    19. Jesus Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 3:52 pm

    Aries, what company do you work for? And why do you keep saying “ylu’ll spill the beans in my next post”. Are you stalling for time to think of what the rev rly is?? I want to believe you, I just somehow need to know who you really are. Maybe you can provide your name so I can sopmehow see if this is true? Because if it is, this could be huge stuff you’re giving us. However, it could just be an elaborate hoax, and frankly, ive seen enough of them

    20. Sean Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 3:53 pm

    So how accurate is Brooke’s speculation, Aries?

    21. Amuroray Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 3:56 pm

    Ok thank you…About The Revolution, we going to see it very soon..(if they dare to show it…)So I can wait until E3.

    22. Janitor Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 3:58 pm

    Aries sounds legit. Just hear him out, and form your own views.

    23. Jesus Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 4:01 pm

    Fine, if hes lying, though, Ill be really angry

    24. Amuroray Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 4:04 pm

    Maybe He will give us only Hints or clues….

    25. remington Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 4:24 pm

    so……………Aries spill the funkin beans dude. Just prove your for real, you dont have to tell us anything confidential.

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    1. LikeaFanboyONwarioware Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 4:32 pm

    As far as I see it (because I’m too trusting) Nintendo has the resources to do way better than their competition. I know the age old rivalry between Sony and Nintendo used to be the focus back in the day, and lately it has been a so-called beat down on Nintendo in the last four years. But with Gamecube and its reportedly so poor sales and a situation with the developers which looks totaly bleak, there is a feeling that Nintendo is indeed the underdog (at least for us North American Fanboys). And with that status (eventhough nintendo steals the show at most of the conferances they are at) Nintendo not only as a firm but as an ideology (ideology because I too have mistakenly enraged a fanboy by making a wayward glance at an X-box) that those who have supported and in some cases suffered for nintendo the last four years have now come to a crossroad. There is much excitement in the air for us, Look at this blog, If a sterile perspective were to come into this blog, they would say that we are all building castles in the sky, and some are trying to tear them down. however, if this is true, that dozens and dozens of ninteno Fanboys around Northamerican have become so enamoured with this new console as to make post after post defending, almost violently, defending against the slightest critic. and one should not be angry for this statement, because it proves one thing that nintendo has that sony only has a little of, and microsoft has almost none of (Jhon Cherry moment here), Nintendo has our hearts and minds. enough said

    2. remington Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 4:37 pm

    ok….i’m still waiting for Aries to proof his claims………………………..

    3. Aries Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 4:41 pm

    Here you go:

    Brooke got some things right, but much of it is flawed. I don’t know whether he just made up a lot of that stuff, because many of the points have been disproven before. For instance, Game Informer wrote an article on the next generation consoles in which it claims the Revolution’s controller will have one giant touch screen. I’m thinking this is where Brooke got that idea. The Revolution will not have a touch screen. Iwata has stated this before. The controller will be quite normal in the sense that it will have a d-pad and buttons. Like I said, I’m not going to tell you the revolutionary aspect of the system. Nintendo has some cool pre E3 plans for that.

    First off, the 3D visuals he mentioned have nothing to do with the system. Nintendo isn’t crazy.

    It will also have gyroscopic controls, but like Brooke said, not all the games will use it. For instance, earlier I mentioned Nintendo has a Halo killer in development for the Revolution. This game will use the gyroscopic controls for aiming as wel as other things. Our game isn’t using this function.

    The controller will be wireless; he’s right about that. As you also know, the Xbox 360’s controllers will be wireless as well. Where do you think they got this idea? That’s why Nintendo is still trying to determine what to show at E3. From what I’ve heard, they will show the design of the system as well as games. I’ll tell you about the software later though.

    The controller will also be pressure sensitive. The pressure you put into it will determine certain things, such as movement. This is another optional capibility. Someone on Nintendo’s board mentioned this months ago. They said that “touching is good, but feeling is better.” This may sound strange, but it provides great controls. Racing games will really be helped by this control setting.

    The Nintendo Revolution will also include voice control more advanced than anything seen so far. Nintendogs is just the beginning. To achieve this, Nintendo sent us headsets (similar to ones you can use for Xbox Live) that are wirelessless communicating with the console. Imagine being able to merely call for an airstrike or reload your gun by giving out commands orally. So far, we have put this feature to the test the most; as you can see, I’m excited over this feature.

    From a graphical perspective, the Nintendo Revolution is very powerful. Many people seem to think this won’t be the case, but rest assured. The games I saw while working at Nintendo were very beautiful. I’ll tell you about those later.

    As Nintendo has stated before, the system will be online. In my eyes, the online system they have set up is the most revolutionary part of the system. While Sony and Microsoft are busy turning their systems into trojan horses for their other electronic devices, Nintendo is going to use the Revolution for direct communication with gamers. The only way I can describe it is as an internet service. Imagine turning it on and checking your mail on the system. You see previews and demos of DS and Revolution games that you can download. A magazine similar to Nintendo Power will be exclusive to the system, and you will be able to access it on the Revolution’s homepage. As you check you mail, you will also see various invitations from gamers on your buddy list who want to play you. There are so many other ways this is going to be used. Once the Revolution comes out, there will be no reason to hang out on message boards. Message boards as well as chat rooms will be available on the Revolution so that gamers can discuss and challenge each other all day. And the best thing is that the entire thing is totally free and easy to use. Why play Madden on Xbox Live when you’ll be able to play it for free on the Revolution with much better services?

    That’s all I’m going to reveal for now. There are some very interesting games in the horizon for the Revolution; I’ll talk about them later.

    4. shar4900 Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 4:46 pm

    Hmmmm. Wasn’t it already reviled officially that there would be no D-pad on the controller.

    5. Jesus Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 4:48 pm

    I believe you, but certain things trouble me. First of all, what is the big “revolutionary” feature. Youve named quite a few things, all of which have been rumored before, but nothing new or so revolutionary. What could the real revolution be? And, you said the feature you are most excited about is the microphone/voice commands. That doesnt sound too good, if that really is the thing you are most excited about.

    6. shar4900 Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 4:49 pm

    Sorry, revealed

    7. remington Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 4:52 pm

    How does that sh!t prove you are who you say you are.

    8. remington Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 4:58 pm

    Well……….stop making claims you cant support.

    9. Aries Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm

    Like Brooke said, console ideas are nothing without good games. Once you see the games, you will understand. I would go as far to say that the Revolution isn’t as revolutionary as Nintendo is saying. It should be called the Nintendo Simplicity, because every aspect I mentioned greatly simplifies the gaming experience. For instance, the pressure sensitive grips on the controller make racing games much easier to control and play. Wave Race (yes, it will be at E3) is going to be very impressive because it will use this function. It will be sort of like controlling a game with one of those stress balls. You squeeze it and you go faster. It’s hard to explain though.

    Don’t expect to see too much if any of the controller at E3 though. Nintendo is still trying to decide what to show and what not to show. The games will be revealed, as well as specs and the system design. But the controller is still being considered.

    To Jesus: when you see the voice controls, you will be blown away. Go back and watch some sci fi movies with voice controlled vehicles (such as AI or I am Robot).

    10. Derek Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 5:05 pm

    well if u think about it voice commands is advanced ai. What if Revolution could recognize 20,000 words of the english language and respond accordingly? Wouldn’t that be revolutionary in itself. I was thinking about the hardware and I think that maybe it is possible that the revolution will use a 64 bit dual core processor that ibm is developing for the system. I think a lot of this seems like stuff that nintendo would do and couldnt just be pulled outta thin air.

    11. Aries Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 5:12 pm

    Derek, you are very, very close. The online system they are creating isn’t just for communication and online play. It will be able to download specific software in order to upgrade. This will allow for downloadable dictionary patches that will allow the system to understand even more words and phrases.

    To Jesus: How do you want me to “prove” that I’m right? Should I give you my name and company? You must be crazy. Wait until E3. It’s only 20 days away. So in 20 days, you will know almost everything that I know.

    12. Derek Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 5:14 pm

    Aries just saw your other post. I am fully supporting you because this is a lot of stuff I myself have thought they might be doing. I just thought it might be something that would be as an add on or something. To integrate it is awesome.

    13. Derek Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 5:18 pm

    haha you are posting just when i am typing aries. This is all stuff I have dreamed of pretty much cause Nintendo has always been that one place for me to escape everything and spend time in another interactive world. I have always though about the idea of creating a game that could understand everything you said and not just certain catch phrases. I mean if you can do it in voice to text for the computer how much harder can it be. If a system can respond to even half the stuff I say(including the swearing) then I would love it.

    14. raymond Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 5:25 pm

    Interesteing views Aries. We will see in 20 days for sure. I am trying to decide who to believe, you or Brooke. IGN says he is in the postion to know. 3D viuslas can be done, and affordably. The patent, as far as I remember, was supposed to be about REV not about an existing game. I may be mistaken. Thanks for the info.

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    1. anyone Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 5:27 pm

    Aries… one eye, two eyes, one eye, four eyes. A perspective that will change gameplay from seeing to experiencing. The perfect control.

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    3. Monkey C Monkey Doo Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 5:27 pm

    Hey Aries,

    You’ve really helped me gain more confidence in the upcoming Nintendo console. I was afraid that Nintendo was digging deeper into it’s own grave but now im confident that there is hope for Nintendo to gain back it’s share in the videogame industry.

    I was wondering, you said earlier that

    “But having the most powerful console doesn’t guarantee that gamers are going to buy it. Software sells the games. And if that statement holds true next generation, the Nintendo Revolution will be very popular”

    Does this mean that Nintendo already has more 3rd party support then the Gamecube? And if so, why haven’t any companies gone ahead and shown their support for the machine similar to companies that have shown support for the xbox 360?

    And if you don’t mind me asking, what genre is the game that your studio is developing? And what functions do you guys plan on utilizing from the whole set that Nintendo has to offer with it’s next generation console?

    4. mastermind Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 5:43 pm

    Compadre te las estas mandando, sigue con la informacion que me estas convenciendo.

    5. Aries Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 5:48 pm

    Monkey C:

    Interesting questions. From what I’m hearing, the Revolution will have some impressive 3rd party support around launch. EA, Capcom, Namco, Konami, Majesto, Squaresoft (sorry, I still call them that), and my company are supporting it so far. I’m sure others are working on stuff. For instance, I don’t see why a game like Soul Caliber III won’t be on the Revolution. Squaresoft has a game ready for E3, as well as Zoonami. So yes, it looks like it will get better 3rd party support. But this could change if the system is unsuccessful.

    I’m currently working on one Revolution game. Right now, we are still in the early stages of development. We have alot of concrete things down, but not enough to show I don’t think. Of course this could change if our publisher wants us to show our hand at E3.

    We are working on a 3rd person action game. It is a recreation of a classic series that I felt could have been one of the most successful IP’s of the 1990’s. It will include the pressure sensitive controls I mentioned, but they will be optional. We are also using the voice controls for weapon and vehicle customization as well as AI controls. Since the game will be online, we are putting the online function to the test. Right now it’s going to provide 40 person multiplayer battles, but this could change (and increase) in time. We are also excited about using the revolutionary aspect of the system to create new ways to experience the genre. It will be like Halo and Ratchet and Clank 3 mixed.

    Heck, here’s a hint (if you get it, I’ll tell you who I work for):

    Master Chief wasn’t the first galatic hero to don green.

    6. onedimension Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 5:56 pm

    gyroscopic controllers, pressure-sensitive, wireless controllers, sophisticated (built-in?) voice recognition, online connectivity, the tech specs to outdo the Xbox and compete with the PS3, and probable launch titles from EA, Capcom, Namco, Konami, & Square? AND there’s another unrevealed feature that’s even more impressive?

    why doesn’t this square with the lukewarm hype/buzz around the Revolution?

    7. Uncledick Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 6:02 pm

    U work for SEGA right!! are u talking about vectorman!!

    8. Monkey C Monkey Doo Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 6:06 pm

    I thought about vectorman too but i thought sega gave up on that franchise haha oh well….

    so mr sega, what else does the company have in production for the big N?

    9. Jesus Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 6:21 pm

    Ok, I believe you Aries. Just answer me this question: Did you reveal the big revolutionary feature?? If you did, whcih one is it. What is the defining feature of the revolution. And, if you didnt reveal it, tell me if its impressive andif its really so great?

    Green Lantern?

    10. bleed 4or me Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 6:24 pm

    The first thing that came to mind was vectorman. In fact, thats the only thing that I can thing of. Since we are on the subject. What other classic 90’s games would you like to see make a comeback. I would say “shadow run” and hmmmm…. “smash t.v.”

    11. mastermind Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 6:26 pm

    Revolution == Simplicity ???

    12. mastermind Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 6:29 pm

    Revolution == Kicking Sony’s and MS Candy ASSES ?????

    13. Mandrid Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 6:30 pm

    I don’t believe a person who is part of developing a game that may show at e3 would have time to inject this blog with insight all day, even if there is no solid e3 connection, I presume that people who work on games would be bussy all day doing their job… But there are lazy/bored people out there who would find a way to jerk around at work (unless this is your day off aries)

    14. mastermind Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 6:34 pm

    Is “Wanda & The Colossus” the game that uses the Perspective feature thingy ???

    15. Aries Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 6:45 pm

    Well, you guys are a smart bunch. I don’t work for Sega, but they are letting us work on the Vectorman IP. We are developing it for them. So, I have given you our current publisher, but I’m not giving out the developer stuudio.

    To Jesus: No, I haven’t revealed the revolutionary aspect of it. I just don’t want to give it away. Like I said, Nintendo has a great idea for introducing it to the world. It’s going to be very cool, and I’d hate to spoil that. It will be the ultamate prank. Watch “The Game” with Michael Douglas. It will be that cool.

    I think it is impressive, but not as revolutionary as they are saying. For instance, there was no hype about the analog stick when it was revealed. It just made games easier to control. This aspect of it id very easy to use like everything else in the Revolution. Everyone will be able to understand it.

    16. Monkey C Monkey Doo Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 6:46 pm

    can u elaborate on what this revolutionary function does? or how it helps enhance the gaming experience or in other words simplify it?

    17.Aries Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 6:48 pm

    Madrid, you are correct in many ways. My job is very stressful. But I am on break this week, so that allowed me to catch up on this blog. We read IGN and the other sites all the time. I’ve hung out with guys from Game Informer on many occasions. Next week, I doubt you will hear from me too much, if at all. So this week I will fill you all in on what I know. Tommorrow I’ll give you details on the Revolution’s games. I want to wait and hear what Brooke has to say about this as well. He said he’s going to reveal some software information. Let’s see how accurate it is.

    18. Phillip Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 6:50 pm

    nintendo Revolution suck ass it sucks sucks its the Mac of conssoles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! poeple think think

    19. Marth Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 6:50 pm

    Aries… all this stuff is true…???? i mean…

    Square have a Revolution Proyect… and we gonna see it in E3????

    if that’s true… that’s why FFCC was the only game for GCN for Square….

    20. Uncledick Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 6:59 pm

    Thanks for the info Aries!! i’ll be sure to tune in tomorrow.

    21. Daniel Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 6:59 pm

    Hey Aries,

    When and should I say how will Nintendo present this. I have seen “The Game” before it is a crazy psychological movie. Can you give hints just to HOW they will release it to the public? If it is as simple as an analog stick (you would think gryos fit that description)

    Also will the revolution part be a part of the controller, the hardware or neither? Is it a brand new part that is coming into video games like the dancing pad for Dance Dance Revolution?

    22. Nick Dyakowski Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:10 pm

    I hope the 3D projection system isn’t painful to look at, like the virtual boy was. That gave me quite a few headaches.

    23. Monkey C Monkey Doo Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:13 pm

    Hey Aries,

    Do you work for Pseudo Interactive? and how come the new vectorman game is slated for a ps2 release and not a next gen release?

    24. bleed 4or me Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:13 pm

    Hey Aries,
    I heard a rumor that square is working on “Chrono Break” as a rev launch title. Could that be the game square is working on.


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    1. Monkey C Monkey Doo Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:16 pm

    Apparntly sega is working on a NiGHTs game for the Rev too.

    I just found a huge release list of sega games for next gen….

    http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=14231

    2. Anwar Wilkerson (BanY) Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:20 pm

    You work for Silicon Knights. I know I’m wrong.

    3. mastermind Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:34 pm

    mmmmmmmm

    You work for “Pseudo Interactive” ??? What say you !!!

    4. Aries Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:36 pm

    I haven’t heard anything about a new Nights game, which is sad; Nights was a brilliant game. I have heard talk of a new Virtual Fighter though. Just talk though.

    Vectorman isn’t coming out for the PS2. Sega was going to bring it to the current consoles, but the plan was scrapped. And no I don’t work for Pseudo Interactive. Or Silicon Knights. Funny you bring them up though. They will have one of the best games at E3. Outside of Zelda, Nintendo’s FPS (developed by Rare), and PD0, it will be the one of the best showings of E3.

    I don’t have details on what game Squaresoft is working on. I know that it will be at E3 along with Final Fantasy 3 and FF:CC for the DS.

    I’m not going to give out the secret. It’s going to be very fun; wait until E3. Nintendo is going to roll out a trojan horse: something that looks innocent and weak and them bam, it will be unveiled. Just don’t make up your mind on the first day of E3.

    There is not a Sonic game in development for the Revolution. It is an exclusive Gamecube game. This one is totally seperate from Shadow the Hedgehog, which will be multi console (and should hit the PSP as well).

    That’s all for today. I will be back. Hopefully Brooke will update his site by then. I want to hear more of what he allegedly knows.

    5. Monkey C Monkey Doo Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:40 pm

    Hey aries,

    how can rare be developing a game for revolution if the company is owned my microsoft?

    newayz im excited for e3… i think now that nintendo may continue it’s trend in totally dazzling consumers at e3.

    And btw you still have to tell us where you work cause we guessed vectorman!!!

    6. Genecyst Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:41 pm

    An FPS from Rare for the Revolution? I believe in many things, but that sounds totally absurd!

    7. bleed 4or me Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:42 pm

    Did you just say “developed by rare”? Microsoft bought rare from nintendo. Therefore, rare developes for microsoft only. Now I’m getting real skeptical.

    8. mastermind Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:47 pm

    Developed by Rare ?? Please correct that.

    9. Uncledick Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:48 pm

    dude i was totally ready to believe u, but c’mon!! Rare developing for Nintendo? No a chance in hell

    10. Eric Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:49 pm

    WHOAWHOAWHOAWHOA. Nintendo is coming out with a Rare-developed FPS? I thought Rare went bye bye!

    11. Monkey C Monkey Doo Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:51 pm

    Hmmm i thought Rare went bye bye too…

    Hmmm it’s nice to see that a gamecube game is gonna get a lot of spotlight at the show… might be able to help garner support for Nintendo and their next gen console… i think it would be awesome for nintendo to have some sort of zelda next gen sneak peak just to get crowds excited for the machine like they did at previous shows with zelda

    12. Genecyst Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:53 pm

    I´m also wondering how you would know about all those games. Good connections to other developers is one thing, but your kind of connection seems too good to be true!

    13. bleed 4or me Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:54 pm

    It was fun while it lasted.

    14. Jesus Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:57 pm

    I dont understand how its being developed by rare. Please, elaborate on this. This statement makes all this info seem less real than I thought, since I cant see any way of rare doing this, unless MS is stupid enough to let them.

    And, this revolutionary feature, will it ADVANCE existing gameplay like the analogue stick did, or will it be like the touch screen and offer something completely NEW. I hope its the former.

    How the hell do you know all this great info, Aries, you certainly are being really helpful. Maybe I wont be getting an Xbox360 afterall…if this is all true, well have to wait for E3. I dont see how you could make all this up, even though the rare thing seems a bit far-fetched

    One more question: Is your game using the big feature, and does it impress you more than the mic. You saif the voice recognition software is what impresses you most, but do you mean most impressive out of the features you listed, or most impressive of all features - including the big one?

    15. Monkey C Monkey Doo Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 7:58 pm

    I was thinking,

    Technically speaking, Nintendo has potential to pull of the best show ever only because we’re not expecting anything from them. Nintendo loves to be secretive about everything they do and hence them just surprising the world with the Nintendo would get everyone so excited for the show… it’s the perfect marketing plan for a machine like that.

    And a lot of the stuff Aries has stated can be taken for nothing or everything. I’m pretty sure that he’s hitting the nail on the head with his information. If he isn’t then hey what the hell we find out in two weeks any way. BUt for now everything he’s telling us is enough to keep us interested in the machine, something that alot of people arent right now.

    16. Jesus Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 8:00 pm

    The reason im nervous is because all this info looks VERY positive, but if its false, it would be such a downer. I still cant believe rare is developing for nintendo. Aries, where did you get this info?

    17. Monkey C Monkey Doo Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 8:02 pm

    Yeah the rare story is kina far fetched but im looking for info online for it just because anything can happen in the gaming world haha but im sure that it wont be true unless just out of nowhere it does turn out to be tru

    18. Nick Pearce Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 8:03 pm

    For starters, Revolution no matter what it does or looks like, will be as powerful as Xbox 360 and PS3, this has been stated. The GameCube is way beyond the PS2 and just below the Xbox. 3D visuals adds a new dmension to the way we play games, if it’s true and it’s done well Nintendo will be considered as gods trust me.

    As for e3 2005, we probally won’t get much info this year, we’ll have to wait until the end of the year or early next, Nintendo is too paranoid trust me.

    What we realy need is some new games announced for GameCube as after Zelda there is NOTHING… Hopefully something will be announced soon to tie us oiver for Revolution.

    19. Mandrid Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 8:04 pm

    Well, Just a few months ago, Rareware released a GBA game. Mr. Pants i believe. So just because Microsoft has rights over the once glorious developer. there is still a little cross platform development going on

    20. Monkey C Monkey Doo Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 8:07 pm

    The reason rare developed that game was because it was for gameboy and at the time Microsoft wanted to buy nintendo. There is no way that microsoft would create competition for their own console by letting their own company make games for a competitor. That’s like sony making a game for nintendo or xbox… newayz, i think that this e3 is going to showcase Revolution, what it’s about and what to expect. that’ll keep ppl talking

    21. onedimension Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 8:12 pm

    Rare has made a few GBA games, but this isn’t a case where Microsoft has, say, a 30 percent stake in Rare- they own the entire company. There is absolutely no reason why Microsoft would allow their in-house studio to develop a ‘killer app’ for the Revolution launch. It would be self-sabotage.

    Almost definitely this is a hoax, then, interesting and mostly plausible but still a hoax.

    22. Anwar Wilkerson (BanY) Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 8:18 pm

    Don’t know about the Rare thing, unless it was a typo, but I like the weak then bam part. I’ll be awaiting E3 in 2 weeks.

    23. Jesus Says:
    April 26th, 2005 at 8:20 pm

    The fact that this is a hoax worries me. If he got this wrong, maybe the whole article is rubbish

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    Even if it is a hoax, theres some interesting ideas in there.
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    Hey, can someone shorten that into a digestable format... lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gel
    Hey, can someone shorten that into a digestable format... lol
    As you wish, the first part is one of his posts (with the most info) the 2nd part is a summary of all he said in all the posts. Apparently he later corrected the bit about an FPS being developed my Rare, he was describing games at E3, he said "....Nintendo FPS (developed by Rare), PD0" apparently was supposed to put the developed by Rare bit next to PD0. Not sure myself, but it seems odd that he wouldn't know Rare is owned by MS, he clearly knows much about gaming.

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    Here you go:

    Brooke got some things right, but much of it is flawed. I don’t know whether he just made up a lot of that stuff, because many of the points have been disproven before. For instance, Game Informer wrote an article on the next generation consoles in which it claims the Revolution’s controller will have one giant touch screen. I’m thinking this is where Brooke got that idea. The Revolution will not have a touch screen. Iwata has stated this before. The controller will be quite normal in the sense that it will have a d-pad and buttons. Like I said, I’m not going to tell you the revolutionary aspect of the system. Nintendo has some cool pre E3 plans for that.

    First off, the 3D visuals he mentioned have nothing to do with the system. Nintendo isn’t crazy.

    It will also have gyroscopic controls, but like Brooke said, not all the games will use it. For instance, earlier I mentioned Nintendo has a Halo killer in development for the Revolution. This game will use the gyroscopic controls for aiming as wel as other things. Our game isn’t using this function.

    The controller will be wireless; he’s right about that. As you also know, the Xbox 360’s controllers will be wireless as well. Where do you think they got this idea? That’s why Nintendo is still trying to determine what to show at E3. From what I’ve heard, they will show the design of the system as well as games. I’ll tell you about the software later though.

    The controller will also be pressure sensitive. The pressure you put into it will determine certain things, such as movement. This is another optional capibility. Someone on Nintendo’s board mentioned this months ago. They said that “touching is good, but feeling is better.” This may sound strange, but it provides great controls. Racing games will really be helped by this control setting.

    The Nintendo Revolution will also include voice control more advanced than anything seen so far. Nintendogs is just the beginning. To achieve this, Nintendo sent us headsets (similar to ones you can use for Xbox Live) that are wirelessless communicating with the console. Imagine being able to merely call for an airstrike or reload your gun by giving out commands orally. So far, we have put this feature to the test the most; as you can see, I’m excited over this feature.

    From a graphical perspective, the Nintendo Revolution is very powerful. Many people seem to think this won’t be the case, but rest assured. The games I saw while working at Nintendo were very beautiful. I’ll tell you about those later.

    As Nintendo has stated before, the system will be online. In my eyes, the online system they have set up is the most revolutionary part of the system. While Sony and Microsoft are busy turning their systems into trojan horses for their other electronic devices, Nintendo is going to use the Revolution for direct communication with gamers. The only way I can describe it is as an internet service. Imagine turning it on and checking your mail on the system. You see previews and demos of DS and Revolution games that you can download. A magazine similar to Nintendo Power will be exclusive to the system, and you will be able to access it on the Revolution’s homepage. As you check you mail, you will also see various invitations from gamers on your buddy list who want to play you. There are so many other ways this is going to be used. Once the Revolution comes out, there will be no reason to hang out on message boards. Message boards as well as chat rooms will be available on the Revolution so that gamers can discuss and challenge each other all day. And the best thing is that the entire thing is totally free and easy to use. Why play Madden on Xbox Live when you’ll be able to play it for free on the Revolution with much better services?

    That’s all I’m going to reveal for now. There are some very interesting games in the horizon for the Revolution; I’ll talk about them later.

    Summary of what he says.


    -Don’t expect to see too much if any of the controller at E3 though. Nintendo is still trying to decide what to show and what not to show. The games will be revealed, as well as specs and the system design. But the controller is still being considered.

    -when you see the voice controls, you will be blown away. Go back and watch some sci fi movies with voice controlled vehicles (such as AI or I am Robot).

    -The online system they are creating isn’t just for communication and online play. It will be able to download specific software in order to upgrade. This will allow for downloadable dictionary patches that will allow the system to understand even more words and phrases.

    -From what I’m hearing, the Revolution will have some impressive 3rd party support around launch. EA, Capcom, Namco, Konami, Majesto, Squaresoft (sorry, I still call them that), and my company are supporting it so far. I’m sure others are working on stuff. For instance, I don’t see why a game like Soul Caliber III won’t be on the Revolution. Squaresoft has a game ready for E3, as well as Zoonami. So yes, it looks like it will get better 3rd party support. But this could change if the system is unsuccessful.

    -We are working on a 3rd person action game. It is a recreation of a classic series that I felt could have been one of the most successful IP’s of the 1990’s. It will include the pressure sensitive controls I mentioned, but they will be optional. We are also using the voice controls for weapon and vehicle customization as well as AI controls. Since the game will be online, we are putting the online function to the test. Right now it’s going to provide 40 person multiplayer battles, but this could change (and increase) in time. We are also excited about using the revolutionary aspect of the system to create new ways to experience the genre. It will be like Halo and Ratchet and Clank 3 mixed.

    -I don’t work for Sega, but they are letting us work on the Vectorman IP


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    Crikey thats still quite long its worth the read though.



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    what is it with nintendo and gimicks - its simple - make a good console with well designed hardware and then release a good games in ample amounts. If your console plays movies or records TV's shows or has a touch screen all the better but not the key detail.

    look at the eyetoy - great fun for a hour or so - sold a lot of units - kids love it but if it had been the key to Sonys PS2's launch I dont think they would have been so successful.

    I know that as device converance become more and more common your games console will have to do more than just play games but lets face it if the games are good and there is plenty of them and your not a XXXX (fill in as applicable) fanboy then you will think about getting one.

    This revolution - it will change games for ever is the Sony "emotion engine" for PS2 all over again.

    How about this marketing idea ........Nintendo Revolution.......We will be good when we arrive so dont forget us......Our Games will be excellent but there will only be 10 released in the first 18 months that you want.
    Nintendo - Excellance or choice....but never both.
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    Thanks mate!
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    sounds very interesting, i look forward to seeing this in action, whatever it may be. originality is still alive...just

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    Quote Originally Posted by fe_man2000
    what is it with nintendo and gimicks - its simple - make a good console with well designed hardware and then release a good games in ample amounts. If your console plays movies or records TV's shows or has a touch screen all the better but not the key detail.

    look at the eyetoy - great fun for a hour or so - sold a lot of units - kids love it but if it had been the key to Sonys PS2's launch I dont think they would have been so successful.

    I know that as device converance become more and more common your games console will have to do more than just play games but lets face it if the games are good and there is plenty of them and your not a XXXX (fill in as applicable) fanboy then you will think about getting one.

    This revolution - it will change games for ever is the Sony "emotion engine" for PS2 all over again.

    How about this marketing idea ........Nintendo Revolution.......We will be good when we arrive so dont forget us......Our Games will be excellent but there will only be 10 released in the first 18 months that you want.
    Nintendo - Excellance or choice....but never both.
    10? you think they'll release that many in europe?

    i would imagine it'll follow nintendos usual shite release schedule

    4 or 5 launch games (probably one of which will be one of the best titles for that entire generation of consoles)

    about 3 weeks later a couple more aa titles

    another 4 weeks and about 5 poor titles

    then abou 4-5 titles a month from 3rd parties with about 4 nintendo in house releases

    only if the machine realy is a revolution and sells bucketloads will it pick up a bigger release schedule and more titles

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    people dont want a revolution, they want the same games in a higher resolution, hence the popularity of the PSP, the first thing people asked on that was "whens fifa out"......halo 2.5.....nuff said

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    And one of the first questions people used to ask is whens the next Mario game coming out, but we haven't seen enough of that chap on the gamecube. I wouldn't be surprised if Ninty are getting their act together and we will see a couple of Marios, Mario Kart, Metriod Prime, a Zelda or two, proper Donkey kong game etc. all make lots of appearences on the Rev.

    The thing is there are 3 consoles out now, and whilst as someone said peope don't want changes, they just want Halo, Pro Evo, GTA etc. then a mixture of 3rd pary games. But why should someone who as an xbox 360 and ps3 buy a Rev if they can get the majority of games on those consoles? Well, thats where product differentiation comes in to play, if the gyroscopic controllers, voice features, online system, and the revolutionary feature (whatever the hell it is) all get enough support from developers, then people will buy the rev as they can only get these things on that console.

    I'm seriously looking to buy all three consoles at launch, I had all 3 this gen, but I'm thinking of getting them not chipped this time. Or just have 1 chipped for multi-platform games. With most games likely to be online, and with it (currently) being impossible to play backups online, I don't see the point in modchips next gen. But I'm starting to go OT now so I'll just shut up



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    modchps are for all the other stuff.
    e,g XBMC, and any game that you want to try before you buy or just not play online.
    I have 2 xboxs one modded and one not for this very purpose.

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    That poster looks like a bullshitter to me.

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    Yep big sweatty bollocks!

    Only my Xbox is modded, but thats with an X3, LCD display etc..... and I use it as a Media Centre.

    My Panasonic 'Q' is for gaming as the games are fantastic! Resident Evil 4 thats all I have to say! (PS2 owners, make sure you get this later in the year when it is released).

    I live a comfortable lifestyle and the only reason I would ever get a 'Back Up' of a game is if I didn't really fancy it, a bit like Music. If it's Eminem or Oasis i'll buy it. Anyhting else I'll DL and never listen to it!

    Who know who will win the next battle. In the old days you had Sega Megadrive and Nintendo SNES. The main task for these 2 machines was to see who could emulate Street Fighter 2 better! Sega had 6 Elephants in the background of the skinny dude, Nintendo could only manage 4. Nintendo however had 6 buttons on their pad although not ideally laid out. Sega however then brought out a better laid out 6 button pad. etc.... etc...... 2 Machine were 'company', when the Atari Jaguar came out then it became a 'crowd'

    With tecnology nowadays all games on all systems are pretty much alike, they can all handle 17 million colours etc.... FMV..... etc... you get the point. To have 3 pretty much matched machines in all departments (apart from gimmicks like the 360 may work as a PVR) so it is going to go down to games, price and design.

    Nintendo lead the way in original games, Microsoft buy the competition which leads me to belive that with the lack of original titles for Sony (OK so they have GTA but only exclusive for a few months before it hits the megadrive) the next gen battle is looking like it will be between Xbox 360 and Nintendo Rev.

    Nintendo have their Mario series games (Pikmin (not exactly Mario I know, Mario Party, Mario Kart etc...)) Xbox has Halo and whoever else they buy. I think Sony will fail, how long can Rockstar remake movies in the form of GTA before somone else comes up and beats it (Driver 3, True Crime: Streets of LA was close, yes it was poor but shows competition is hotting up).

    Only time will tell.
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    OK so they have GTA but only exclusive for a few months before it hits the megadrive
    I didn't think my megadrive was capable of GTA, great can't wait for this release!

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    lmfao lol. Obviosuly I meant Xbox, however GTA could have managed on the Megadrive, the original!!
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    I dont buy imports so backups are often a way to get early releases - with the advent of xbox Live though, then I am happy to pay for a good online game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fe_man2000
    I dont buy imports so backups are often a way to get early releases - with the advent of xbox Live though, then I am happy to pay for a good online game.
    Agreed, they need to look at trying to get the games in Europe sooner, thought that'll never happen. There's always a few games around as well which look ok, but are a bit short or something so you feel its not worth paying £40 for an average game which lasts 6 or 7 hours.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goldberg
    the next gen battle is looking like it will be between Xbox 360 and Nintendo Rev.
    I agree completley, I am defo most interested in the 360 & rev, I just don't find any games on the ps2 being released which I enjoy, except for GT4 & GTA. Ever since pro evo went to the xbox, I couldn't care less about ps2. There's one thing your forgetting though; the Sony brand. I bet if you asked every gamer in Britain what console (s) they will buy next gen, I bet the majority would have ps3 in there. They may know nothing about the ps3, but because they have a ps2 and like it, thats good enough. They don't care about the other consoles, they just want the next sony console.



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    Ever since pro evo went to the xbox, I couldn't care less about ps2.
    Amen.

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    if you ever look beyond the mainstream crap, you mite see theres more games released than fifa, iss and gta

    amen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam_41
    I bet if you asked every gamer in Britain what console (s) they will buy next gen, I bet the majority would have ps3 in there. They may know nothing about the ps3, but because they have a ps2 and like it, thats good enough. They don't care about the other consoles, they just want the next sony console.
    100% True, but these people have got to remember the problems they have had with their PS2 and even PSone! My first 3 PS2's died quite quickly with the Laser problem everyone has! and what is the whole point of standing the PS2 vertically? I tell you what it is, it's a way to get the damn thing to work once the laser starts to go lol.

    Remember the big PS1, god it was forever on it's side or even upside down when I was trying to play Metal Gear Solid! Cheap parts, cheap looking, but priced high? How does that work!

    I think that one of these companies should adapt a new way of marketing their console. Look at it like this:

    Nescafe make coffee. In order to drink the coffee you need a mug to drink it from. Novel idea: Give the people a free mug when they buy a jar!

    Sony make crap consoles, but GTA San Andreas and GT4(are exclusives). Now GTA and GT4 will sell millions of copies! So why dont we give the people the console at a cut price, a price that is less than the actual production cost of the bloody thing, the money can then be made from games! and if we cap them at £30 (which is appearing in many places now and is about right) we will shift a lot more!

    If I was in charge of a company wanting to dominate the market and didnt care about HUGE profits, more about been number 1, I would adopt this.

    It's all down to one thing: Greed.
    We all make mistakes sometimes

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    909, fair point about looking beyond the mainstream but you you don't include PES4, GTA and GT4 in the list of 'mainstream crap' do you? I should have made myself clearer, I can only have one console in my room and when it comes to the comparison of all games on each console PES4 accounted for a huge amount to me, once Xbox got it it easily ruled over the PS2 in my decision!

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