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    Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'


    By Nic Fleming, Medical Correspondent
    Last Updated: 2:04am BST 03/05/2007

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    Almost a quarter of family doctors are refusing to sign forms that women need completed in order to have an abortion, according to a survey.
    The poll, published by the doctors' newspaper Pulse, said 19 per cent of GPs believe abortions should be illegal.
    Some 24 per cent of the 309 doctors surveyed said they refused to sign abortion referral forms and 55 per cent said they thought the 24-week limit for terminations should be reduced.

    The law states a woman must get two doctors to sign the form to show she meets the grounds that make abortion legal.

    Dr Rob Hardie left his Wiltshire practice in 2004 after refusing to sign the new GP contract, partly, he said, because of the guidelines on abortion.
    He said: "With abortion, there's the ethical problem of destroying a life, and even if you have different beliefs, there's surely an ethical problem in doctors being forced to do something that they do not believe in. It's immoral and unjust.
    "So it's fantastic to see young doctors making a stand against this - not just Catholics but other Christians and Muslims too."

    Dr Robbie Foy, clinical senior lecturer at Newcastle University, who has conducted research on abortion, described current access to abortion services as "a lottery".
    He said: "We must provide reliable, secure and non-judgmental care. Many women are still not getting this at present and face unacceptable delays which increase the risks of complications as well as causing additional anxiety.
    "Any sort of trend towards more doctors refusing to participate in induced abortion will risk marginalising this essential service."

    Rebecca Findlay, of the Family Planning Association, said: "We know this is a real issue because we get many calls from women in this situation.
    "Doctors who have ethical reasons for doing this should be pointing the women to other GPs or clinics who can help them but we know that does not always happen and women are left basically abandoned."

    It is possible Pulse's sample was not representative of the UK's 40,000 GPs as it only took account of the views of those who replied to a survey on a range of ethical issues.

    However, Ann Furedi, the chief executive of the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, a sexual healthcare charity specialising in abortion services, said: "Pulse's findings differ from weighted, representative UK public opinion poll results which have shown majority support for safe, legal abortion for several decades.

    "The majority of the public are clearly supportive of doctors who provide abortion care, and are sensitive as to why a woman may need the choice of abortion.
    "Extreme levels of disagreement with the availability of abortion has always been low amongst the general public, but dropped to about three per cent in a recent poll."
    A spokesman for the Department of Health said: "If GPs feel their beliefs might affect the treatment, this must be explained to the patient who should be told of their right to see another doctor."


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    Default Re: Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'

    I wonder how many of those asked were male, fuckers trying to control someone elses dicision
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    Default Re: Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'

    I wonder how many were 'non-religious' (of any denomination). You have to keep in mind how small the sample of returns was against the amount of doctors who were canvassed, e.g the 'extremists' are the only ones that can be arsed to take part.

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    Default Re: Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'

    Two sides to the arguement - I can see the arguement against, and I'm not even going to go into whether it's right or wrong. Only way to change society is by doing your personal little bit.

    However, the other side is that they are public servants, paid for by our money, yet refusing to carry out all their duties. Arguement would say they should unhappily do it but take issue up with nhs instead.

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    Default Re: Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'

    You'll find that an abortion contradicts a doctor's Hippocratic oath (unless the pregnancy directly threatens the life of the mother). Therefore I think it is right and proper that they be given a free choice and I shudder at the thought of them being forced to do it by government diktat.

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    Default Re: Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'

    What's the difference between a doctor and God? God doesn't think he's a doctor...

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    Default Re: Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'

    With all the contraception available, unless raped or stupid there's no reason for Abortion.

    Not for or against by the way its people personal choice, i just think its crazy in this day and age with all the pills & contraception available.


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    Default Re: Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'

    Quote Originally Posted by diablos View Post
    With all the contraception available, unless raped or stupid there's no reason for Abortion.

    Not for or against by the way its people personal choice, i just think its crazy in this day and age with all the pills & contraception available.
    I agree entirely, I could even find it within myself to approve of the morning after pill (which is an abortion of sorts). But to carry a baby for several months and then decide... "na, not for me", I don't think that is right. But my only concern or quandry is that human nature being what it is..... women who couldn't get it on the NHS would probably resort to backstreet abortionists and thats a path none of us want to go down again.
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    Default Re: Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'

    The whole pro-life argument confuses me. In a world where human life is cheapened on a daily basis, due to war, poverty and global commerce. We in the West have this ongoing debate about how sacred life is.

    How fucking absurd.

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    Default Re: Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'

    Quote Originally Posted by diablos View Post
    With all the contraception available, unless raped or stupid there's no reason for Abortion.

    Not for or against by the way its people personal choice, i just think its crazy in this day and age with all the pills & contraception available.
    Quote Originally Posted by GTI View Post
    I agree entirely, I could even find it within myself to approve of the morning after pill (which is an abortion of sorts). But to carry a baby for several months and then decide... "na, not for me", I don't think that is right. But my only concern or quandry is that human nature being what it is..... women who couldn't get it on the NHS would probably resort to backstreet abortionists and thats a path none of us want to go down again.

    Agree with both, but I have been there with the morning after pill.

    Didn't know if she was pregnant, just the Condom split and couldn't take the risk. In my eyes, I don't see anything wrong with that.

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    Attention Re: Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'

    Hey

    Surely the backbone of a Democratic society is to promote Choice.

    Just as you have a choice to concieve or not, you should have the choice to abort or not, given that it is medically safe.

    Although I had travelled to the USA many times, before moving here 6 years ago, I never knew how political the issues where. We even have 'Pro Life' number plates in Florida, which display your allegiance, although we don't have Pro Choice ones.....Democracy for you.

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    Default Re: Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'

    If the GP is refusing to carry out their contractually obliged service, then they should be struck off.

    I don't go there for a lecture in morals, I go there for them to do their job.

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    Default Re: Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'

    Quote Originally Posted by carlover View Post
    However, the other side is that they are public servants, paid for by our money, yet refusing to carry out all their duties. Arguement would say they should unhappily do it but take issue up with nhs instead.
    I'm under the impression that an abortion is only meant to be given the go ahead in cases such as child abnormality or severe physical or mental risk to the mother though. So in all other cases, such as for convienience it shouldn't be given the go ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by diablos View Post
    With all the contraception available, unless raped or stupid there's no reason for Abortion.

    Not for or against by the way its people personal choice, i just think its crazy in this day and age with all the pills & contraception available.
    No contraception is 100% though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Waka View Post
    If the GP is refusing to carry out their contractually obliged service, then they should be struck off.
    but is it contractually obliged?

    not against abortions by any means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacksheep View Post
    No contraception is 100% though.
    Hey

    Abstinence....

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    Default Re: Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'

    Its a very hard call. Parts of me hate the idea of destroying a life, others see it as only reasonable to have a choice. What does really piss me off is the "serial abortionists". I think anyone is allowed a mistake - shit happens in life, and a child is a major impact on anyone's life and is best raised where there are two parents in a stable relationship able to take a share. We already have the highest teenage pregnancy rates in Europe, so surely if we make it even harder for women to have abortions that rate will only raise, and we will see even more young mothers on welfare, taking up those precious council housing resources. Yes, of course we can talk about responsibility, or proper education, but at the end of the day I think (just) that we as a society need to allow people to choose their own paths, no matter how distasteful it may be to some. We lucky we are allowed to approve and disapprove.

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    Default Re: Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'

    Quote Originally Posted by Legal Eagle View Post
    Hey

    Abstinence....

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    Is that technically a contraceptive though?

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    Info Re: Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'

    Hey

    If used as an adjective, it is.

    con·tra·cep·tive
    –adjective <TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top></TD><TD vAlign=top>tending or serving to prevent conception or impregnation</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    or

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    <TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD>con·tra·cep·tive
    <!--BOF_HEAD-->adj. <!--EOF_HEAD--> <!--BOF_DEF-->Capable of preventing conception. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    Lawyers....

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    Default Re: Almost a quarter of GPs 'won't refer abortions'

    I was always more of an opinion that a contraceptive was something that prevented pregnancy if you were going to have sex with the person.

    Guess that makes a ladies fathers shotgun a contraceptive as well then

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