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    Film France forgets giants of British cinema

    A prestigious French cinema magazine, arguably the most influential of all cinema magazines, has drawn up a list of the best 100 movies made. Most are American. Many of them are French. None are British. There are German, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Indian and Japanese films on the list established by Les Cahiers du Cinema but not a single film made in Britain since the cinema industry began just more than a century ago.

    There are several mentions for Alfred Hitchcock and Charlie Chaplin but only for the movies that the two British-born masters made in Hollywood. The nearest the British cinema industry comes to a mention is the 17th (equal) place given to 2001: A Space Odyssey, made in 1968, by the American director, Stanley Kubrick, partly with British money and with British technicians.
    There is no mention for David Lean, whose Lawrence of Arabia (1962) came seventh in a recent list of the best 100 movies drawn up by the American Film Institute in Hollywood. There is no mention for Peter Greenaway or Ken Loach, even though both are very popular with cinema-goers in France.
    Cahiers du Cinema is the most intellectual of film publications. Two of its most celebrated writers and critics – Jean-Luc Godard and François Truffaut – went on to become celebrated film directors. The magazine's list, published this month in an explanatory and illustrated book, was established from the choices of 76 French film directors, critics and industry executives. All 100 movies will be shown, not in list order, at a cinema in the fifth arrondissement of Paris from yesterday until July.
    Some of the choices are obscure, but the list, as a whole, cannot be dismissed as over-parochial or merely academic. Eleven movies in the French top 20 are American. The French jury decided – without much originality – that the best film of all is Citizen Kane by Orson Welles (1941), which has also topped a recent top-100 list from the American movie industry.
    The French jury did pick four French movies in its top 20 (compared with none in the Hollywood all-time rankings). But the list also gives top 20 places to the most classic of American musicals, Singin' in the Rain (1952) and two celebrated westerns, The Searchers (1956) by John Ford and Rio Bravo (1959) by Howard Hawks. Why no British movies in the top 100?
    "It's a little surprising for sure," said John Baxter, a Paris-based, Australian writer, film critic and cinema biographer. "But the French film industry, and especially Cahiers du Cinema, has long had a rather suspicious view of British movie-making. A couple of years ago someone wrote in Cahiers that there was no such thing as a "British" film. They were all metis, in other words mixed-blood, hybrid or mongrel films, influenced by other cultures and especially by Hollywood."
    Mr Baxter said that the list, although commendably global and not francocentric, was a touch recherché. "If you look at these choices, they are not the choices of film fans but of film specialists, and French film specialists at that," he said.
    "You can imagine the jury competing with each other to make statements to one another with the most obscure selections. "
    The editor of Les Cahiers du Cinema, Jean-Michel Frodon, said that the absence of British-made movies was "striking" but not deliberate. "It does not reflect an anti-British bias. It is simply the result of the individual choices of 76 people in the French industry. Each was asked to name their 100 best films and this was the result. Yes, it is surprising, maybe, that there is no Lawrence of Arabia, or no film by Ken Loach or Stephen Frears (The Queen). But there are many other national film industries which are also missing. There are no Brazilian films, for instance."
    It was true, Frodon said, that the British film industry had found it difficult, from the beginning, to distinguish itself from Hollywood. He pointed out that the writer in Cahiers du Cinema who described the British movie industry as "hybrid" or "mongrel" was quoting the British film pioneer and director, William Friese Greene, who died in 1921. "There were good Hitchcock movies made in Britain in the 1930s but any film buff in the world, asked to choose their favourite Hitchcock, would go for Vertigo or another of the films that he made in Hollywood in the 1950s," Frodon said.
    Certainly there is no reason to accuse the French jury assembled by Les Cahiers du Cinema of parochialism. The list of 100 best movies drawn up recently by the American Film Institute included a modest 98 Hollywood movies. The only foreign choices were Lawrence of Arabia and another David Lean movie, Bridge on the River Kwai (1957).

    The French Top 20
    From Les Cahiers du Cinema:
    1. Citizen Kane, 1941, Orson Welles
    2= The Night of the Hunter, 1955, Charles Laughton
    2= The Rules of the Game, 1939 (La Règle du jeu), Jean Renoir
    4. Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans, 1927, Friedrich Wilhelm Murnau
    5. L'Atalante, 1934, Jean Vigo
    6. M, 1931, Fritz Lang
    7. Singin' in the Rain, 1952, Gene Kelly & Stanley Donen
    8. Vertigo, 1958, Alfred Hitchcock
    9= Children of Paradise, 1945 (Les Enfants du Paradis), Marcel Carné
    9= The Searchers, 1956, John Ford
    9= Greed, 1924, Erich von Stroheim
    12= Rio Bravo, 1959, Howard Hawkes
    12= To Be or Not to Be, 1942, Ernst Lubitsch
    14. Tokyo Story, 1953, Yasujiro Ozu 15 Contempt, (Le Mépris) 1963, Jean-Luc Godard
    16= Tales of Ugetsu, 1953, Kenji Mizoguchi
    16= City Lights, 1931, Charlie Chaplin
    16= The General, 1927, Buster Keaton
    16= Nosferatu the Vampire, 1922, Friedrich Wilhelm Murnau
    16= The Music Room, 1958, Satyajit Ray

    The American Top 20
    From The American Film Institute:
    1. Citizen Kane, 1941, Orson Welles
    2. The Godfather, 1972, Francis Ford Coppola
    3. Casablanca, 1942, Michael Curtiz
    4. Raging Bull, 1980, Martin Scorsese
    5. Singin' in the Rain, 1952, Gene Kelly & Stanley Donen
    6. Gone With the Wind, 1939, Victor Fleming
    7. Lawrence of Arabia, 1962, David Lean
    8. Schindler's List, 1993, Steven Spielberg
    9. Vertigo, 1958, Alfred Hitchcock
    10. Wizard of Oz, 1939, Victor Fleming
    11. City Lights, 1931, Charlie Chaplin
    12. The Searchers, 1956, John Ford
    13. Star Wars, 1977, George Lucas
    14. Psycho, 1960, Alfred Hitchcock
    15. 2001: A Space Odyssey, 1968, Stanley Kubrick
    16. Sunset Boulevard, 1950, Billy Wilder
    17. The Graduate, 1967, Mike Nichols
    18. The General, 1927, Buster Keaton
    19. On the Waterfront, 1954, Elia Kazan
    20. It's a Wonderful Life, 1946, Frank Capra


    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...a-1028249.html

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    Default Re: France forgets giants of British cinema

    It is a very arty rather than entertaining list.

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    Bunch of fucking cheese eating surrender monkeys!
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    I'd struggle to put a British film in my top 100 tbh. Maybe the odd Carry On movie, but not sure the French would appreciate that little je ne sais quoi - HUMOUR!

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    I'm not surprised. Until we learn to spice up our films with a bit more buggery, 1ncest and hairy clouts... we deserve their complete and utter disdain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibb View Post
    Bunch of fucking cheese eating surrender monkeys!
    Yeah! When you consider not just their contribution to the world of cinema, but also having produced some of the worlds all time greatest artists (painters and sculptors), singers, composers, chefs, architects, philosophers and authors, top fashion houses and producing world class fine wines and champagnes they have really ugly women too


    Poss NSFW.

    Spoiler:

    Élodie Bouchez


    Virginie Ledoyen



    Sophie Marceau



    Melissa Theuriau



    Laetitia Casta




    Eva Green



    Emanuelle Beart



    And one for the oldies

    Brigitte Bardot




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    Quote Originally Posted by Roach-Rampino View Post
    Yeah! When you consider not just their contribution to the world of cinema, but also having produced some of the worlds all time greatest artists (painters and sculptors), singers, composers, chefs, architects, philosophers and authors, top fashion houses and producing world class fine wines and champagnes they have really ugly women too


    Poss NSFW.

    Spoiler:

    Élodie Bouchez


    Virginie Ledoyen



    Sophie Marceau



    Melissa Theuriau



    Laetitia Casta




    Eva Green



    Emanuelle Beart



    And one for the oldies

    Brigitte Bardot



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibb View Post
    They still cant win a war though can they!
    I'm a big Francophile mate and that credential doesn't rank to highly for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roach-Rampino View Post
    I'm a big Francophile mate and that credential doesn't rank to highly for me.
    I gathered that m8....just pulling ya plonker!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roach-Rampino View Post
    Yeah! When you consider not just their contribution to the world of cinema, but also having produced some of the worlds all time greatest artists (painters and sculptors), singers, composers, chefs, architects, philosophers and authors, top fashion houses and producing world class fine wines and champagnes they have really ugly women too
    Agree with everything there except one. Singers? Lets be honest, the French music scene hasn't really set the world alight in the last 100 years has it!

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    Agree with everything there except one. Singers? Lets be honest, the French music scene hasn't really set the world alight in the last 100 years has it!
    Apart from Serge Gainsbourg, Edith Piaf and MC Solaar I would agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBK View Post
    Agree with everything there except one. Singers? Lets be honest, the French music scene hasn't really set the world alight in the last 100 years has it!
    How dare you...

    YouTube - Sacha Distel - Ou Ca Ou Ca


    No you're right. With the exception of Air, Daft Punk and hip hop artists MC Solaar and IAM, they have turned out some real crap; I've never got Serge Gainsbourg at all.

    Little known fact: The Gipsy Kings are actually French.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTI View Post
    Apart from Serge Gainsbourg, Edith Piaf and MC Solaar I would agree.
    What about Plastic Bertrand!

    YouTube - PLASTIC BERTRAND CA PLANE POUR MOI

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    Before you cunts start I know hes Belgian!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTI View Post
    Apart from Serge Gainsbourg, Edith Piaf and MC Solaar I would agree.
    Edith Piaf is - IMO - an insult to singing! Her "je ne regrette rien" is an assault on ears! Its one of the few songs I truly hate - I'd rather listen to C&W. MC Solaar to me was always over-rated, I used to listen to a lot of Talkin' Loud stuff back in the early 90's, and he was obviously always popping up. I always thought he was only succesful BECAUSE he was French, and therefore not doing the standard "gangsta" stuff. Really don't have an opinion on Gainsbourg, I only know his "J'taime", which of course is iconic.

    Must admit to having a soft spot for "Raindrops keep falling on my head" by Sascha Distel though, I think my mum had a crush on him in the 70's

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    I love France, but their arrogance sometimes leaves a little to be desired.

    The northern French (Parisians in particular) are the most arrogant by far, the further south you go the nicer they become in my opinion.
    The French certainly do produce some fine wines and Champagnes, but lets not forget they also produce a lot of bellow average shite that still gets stamped with 'Appellation'
    Also a lot of French wine houses would have gone bust in the past few years had it not been for the help they sought out from Australian and New Zealand wine-makers, but you'd be hard pushed to get them to admit to it.
    Anyhow, this shouldn't turn into a England -v- France thread.

    With regard to the movie list, it doesn't surprise me. I wonder how many French movies would appear in an British generated list.

    However I find it hard that not a single one of these movies could not make it onto anybodies list, I can only assume if none of them do then you either haven't seen them or your idea of what makes a good film is far removed from most peoples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tombott View Post
    I love France, but their arrogance sometimes leaves a little to be desired.

    The northern French (Parisians in particular) are the most arrogant by far, the further south you go the nicer they become in my opinion.
    The French certainly do produce some fine wines and Champagnes, but lets not forget they also produce a lot of bellow average shite that still gets stamped with 'Appellation'
    Also a lot of French wine houses would have gone bust in the past few years had it not been for the help they sought out from Australian and New Zealand wine-makers, but you'd be hard pushed to get them to admit to it.
    Anyhow, this shouldn't turn into a England -v- France thread.

    With regard to the movie list, it doesn't surprise me. I wonder how many French movies would appear in an British generated list.

    However I find it hard that not a single one of these movies could not make it onto anybodies list, I can only assume if none of them do then you either haven't seen them or your idea of what makes a good film is far removed from most peoples.


    Nice post. I've seen 26 of the ones you listed.

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    I admit to liking some French cinema, my top ones being Haute Tension, La Haine and Delicatessen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BertRoot View Post
    I admit to liking some French cinema, my top ones being Haute Tension, La Haine and Delicatessen.

    I studied Truffaut's films but wasn't set alight by them (excuse the Farenheit 451 pun).

    I loved Rémy Belvaux's "Man Bites Dog" for it's sheer absurd black comedy factor. If you've not seen it try to.

    For worringly realistic violent sex scenes try Baise Moi or Irrevesible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roach-Rampino View Post
    I studied Truffaut's films but wasn't set alight by them (excuse the Farenheit 451 pun).

    I loved Rémy Belvaux's "Man Bites Dog" for it's sheer absurd black comedy factor. If you've not seen it try to.

    For worringly realistic violent sex scenes try Baise Moi or Irrevesible.
    Isn't "Man Bites Dog" generally considered to be a Belgian film?

    It is brilliant tho!
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    Yeah Man Bites Dog is a cracker and Baise Moi has a certian je ne sais quoi. See what I did there?

    Most recent Frenchy I saw was Frontier(s). Well worth a punt though not seen it with an English dialogue yet.


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