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    Info NAGRA 3

    just found this article on another site and thought i would share, it makes for an interesting read...

    Its dated 2 Dec 2008 and is entitled:

    "The information in this message is not hearsay, speculation, or rumour, but comes direct from the heart of Virgin Media technical operations at Hook, passed on by a contact who is informed, reliable and will remain strictly confidential (his/her job depends on it)

    This week we have all experienced a sudden change in the way Virgin encrypts its premium channels. This post explains some facts and what's to come very very soon. It probably won't cheer you up. Sorry :-(

    Remember when Virgin pulled Sky channels off their feed? That was a tough choice for Virgin. It hurt Virgin and it hurt Sky. The reduced ability to convert Sky customers over to Virgin and loss of advertising audience meant that both companies wanted to renegotiate terms. Ulimately Virgin wanted to get Sky channels back for the Christmas period but this was not straight forward because Sky was concerned about the high number of non-paying customers able to view Sky channels via the Virgin network. To be fair Virgin have also been concerned, but Sky forced them via the Terms and Conditions of supply to implement a comprehensive encryption system to lock out all non-paying customers before Christmas.

    Hence many months ago was born 'Project Santa'!! An internal Virgin project to provide to its customers Sky channels with enhanced encryption before Christmas. The project has several important phases. Firstly there is new advertising, which you may have seen, warning customers about the illegality of certain pieces of equipment. Then there is driect mail arning some customers directly to disconnect equipment and coupled with telephone hotline to report offenders.

    The next phase was to get Sky back on the feed. This was turned on in November successfully and has put Virgin in a much better position to recruit new customers in readiness for their Christmas programming. The final phase is to address encryption. This is more complicated because they want to secure the network but with little or no impact on paying customers. What you have all witnessed in the last week is the first step of the program with an interim Nagravision software upgrade which will soon move the whole Virgin tv network over to Nagravision version 3. Enabling rolling daily code changes is merely an early side effect of this implementation. Virgin knew that it would be circumvented quickly, but it was designed to de-stabalise the illicit set-top-box before Christmas and wipe out a proportion of the existing usage for non-paying customers who do not have the expertise to remedy.

    What you have not seen yet is the final step and cutover to full Nagravision V3 encoding. This requires all paying customers to be issued with a new card for their set-top-box and in some cases a firmware upgrade. This is no small operation. New cards are already in manufacture and a special Royal Mail contract for guaranteed delivery before Christmas has been signed. The recent change has enabled very limited testing of N3 to be started in about 1000 individually selected customer endpoints. So an exact date for cutover is not decided as yet and will be determined by the recarding and testing work in progress. The deadline should be before Christmas. Although contingency is in place in the event of unforseen problems.

    The bottom line is that N3 will go onto the Virgin TV network very soon and this will render all non-paying cutomers set-top-boxes useless for probably quite a long while. N3 is currently in use in several european tv and has not been circumvented to date. Whilst nothing is unbreakable, it will be measured in months rather than weeks and may require bespoke hardware rather than just a software fix.

    I have every expectation that this post will be heavily flamed and rubbished. But have in mind, many of the readers / posters here make a living from selling set-top-boxes and they are hoping for a busy December as people ready themselves for a rich Christmas programming selection on. The last thing they want is for potential customers to hear what Virgin have planned for what will become a very expensive freeview box. Utimately time will tell."

    ...i haven't received any letters from VM about a new card!!! Fictitious waffel hopefully!!

    Hmmm...

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    "informed, reliable and will remain strictly confidential"

    I got this far and decided it's prob just shite!

    As discussed elsewhere, going to happen and actually happening are two different things.

    One thing though, why would VM waste money making an advert telling people to stop using bent boxes, when they were planning to knock them all out with N3?

    Really best to believe when you see it. Like the Sky hack.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Overdose View Post
    "informed, reliable and will remain strictly confidential"

    I got this far and decided it's prob just shite!

    As discussed elsewhere, going to happen and actually happening are two different things.

    Really best to believe when you see it. Like the Sky hack.


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    I don't think its true either but just an interesting read mate.

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    Put it this way N3 is deffo active on certain ppv Euro sat channels that had been previously viewable.

    I certainly wouldnt rule this out...timescales however is another matter!
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    Pure bollox i`m thinking, lots of rumours out there. Ever since i got my box oodles of years ago i was told it wont last long

    If it come then hail the new king, till then feck em LMAO
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    It will likely come eventually but certainly not anytime soon. There's not even the slightest hint of N3 (or any other system except N1) being tested in any mainland UK area.

    Ireland, of course, already has N2 and is also actively testing N3. According to the boss of the Irish cable Co they are due to start issuing N3 cards to subscribers very soon and have already started rolling a help video showing subscribers how to swap the cards over.

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    By the time its rolled out Nagra 3 will be probably hacked and a lot of money down the drain. They should have used a more secure encryption like NDS.

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    Thats wot they said About V.O.D
    And its not Sorted Yet
    Cards are already dropping through the Doors in Ireland

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    THE END IS NIAR !!!!
    I STINK GET OVER IT !

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    tbh we cant complain, ive know ppl that have been using them for years. just have to get some more porn recorded just incase
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    Quote Originally Posted by plasterer View Post
    Thats wot they said About V.O.D
    And its not Sorted Yet
    Cards are already dropping through the Doors in Ireland
    You can get VOD with other boxes tho mate. TBH it was hacked quite quick.

    On the Sat scene stuff gets hacked all the time, new methods roll out and they are hacked again.

    In the most part it's cat and mouse.


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    This is actually an edit of a memo from UPC in Ireland. It is UPC that are swapping over to N3 (the swap has already started) not VM !

    VM are thought to be about to start trialling something else called NGTV and NGCAM, which appears to be a new HiDef service (MP4 based rather than the present MP2 HiDef tests done by the BBC), which is enabled and controlled via the talkback channels (much the same as VOD).

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