Zionist 's murder scores of civilians

[4me2]

There is a difference between jews and zionists,

I have great admiration for jews, as a people they have been blessed with knowledge, from pre-biblical to the current times many great discoveries has come from jews.

as a side note -- There are many jews living in muslim countries, just look at Iran, they live in peace, even Ahmedenijad makes a point about the difference between a jew and a zionist

He makes a point for propaganda reasons.

Many Jews have left Iran in the last couple of years to return to Israel.

[Undertaker]

how many were paid to leave by the israeli government?

[4me2]

how many were paid to leave by the israeli government?

By the same token How many were paid by the Israeli government to leave Gaza ?

Infact I'll answer that for you on the Gaza one all of them were compensated on the Iranian emigration I don't know but it should be easy enough to find out.

I seem to remember they tried to get Jewish families to leave France too a few years back.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2683783.stm

Doesn't seem like many have left Iran to be honest. If this article is accurate then in 2007 there were about 25 thousand in Iran and the article only mentions 150 leaving..

http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2...-home-for.html

[4me2]

This article mentions 200 that year leaving and

December 26, 2007

(IsraelNN.com) Ten Iranian Jewish families – 40 Iranian Jews in all -- began new lives Tuesday night when they came home to Israel. “How they were brought to Israel and information about who they are is classified information,” Jewish Agency spokesman Michael Jankelovitch said in an exclusive interview with Israel National News.

“This is a new initiative,” said Jankelovitch, “a joint project of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews headed by Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein and the Jewish Agency for Israel.”

A total of 200 Iranian Jews made Aliyah (immigrated to Israel) this year, triple the number from just a year ago, when only 65 Jews made Aliyah to Israel from Iran. According to Jankelovitch, the majority of the Jews who left Iran permanently this year came to Israel.

One million dollars – fully half of the budget for this year’s project, came from the Fellowship, said Jankelovitch, adding that the entire sum has been exhausted. “The organization is now embarking on a new campaign to raise funds to continue the work for 2008,” he added.

A Silent Nightmare

Why Iranian Jews, and why now?

“Because their lives are at stake,” answered Jankelovitz simply. “They are in a unique situation because of the regime. There are increased cases of discrimination. Learning the Hebrew language has been banned. Jewish day schools have been closed down – all of them. There are no more Jewish day schools in Iran,” he said.

Jewish children have to go to school on Shabbat, and on all Jewish holidays including Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar.

“They come with nothing but the clothes on their backs and a small suitcase with almost no money at all,” said Jankelovitch. “Their money is worthless because of the exchange rate. People live in a beautiful house which they sell and it is not even worth $10,000.”

In order to balance that hardship, each new immigrant from Iran, including the children, receives a grant of $10,000. A family of five thus receives a total of $50,000 with which to begin their new lives in addition to the usual basket of new immigrant benefits received by everyone else who comes to make Israel their home.

Leaving 'Takes Guts'


A new immigrant from Iran displays her new and old identity papers.
(Photo: Flash 90)

Although there is no problem leaving Iran permanently to live elsewhere, emigrants cannot travel directly to Israel, said Jankelovitch. Nor is America an option at this point due to the political situation. The U.S. has imposed strict sanctions against Iran in the hopes of forcing the Islamic Republic to abandon its headlong rush toward development of what both the U.S. and Israel suspect is a nuclear weapon which could be aimed at the Jewish State.

Despite the growing hardships, however, there are still 28,000 Iranian Jews who have remained in the Islamic Republic.

“People are afraid of the unknown,” Jankelovitch told Israel National News bluntly. “Leaving the town you know, friends and neighbors, takes guts.” Every effort is being made to convince those left behind to leave while they still can.

“All the information for an Iranian Jew who wants to know about making Aliyah is available online, in Farsi,” he said. (The website created for this purpose is at http://www.israel-iran.org) “There is a free flow of information,” he added. “Iran is not a backward, third world country. There is word of mouth, people can go to internet cafes.”

There is no fear of being "tracked down" for accessing information about moving to Israel, he said. “We hope more, many more will come next year. Israel wants Iranian Jews to come home.”

http://www.jewishagency.org/JewishAg.../3/dec26a7.htm

[GTI]

how many were paid to leave by the israeli government?

This is the great tragedy. Palestinian refugees with keys and deeds to their fathers' houses are told to go to hell, whilst Jews from Brooklyn are bribed and cajoled into claiming their Israel citizenship.

[4me2]

Gazans breach Egypt border; Israel bombs 40 smuggling tunnels

By Haaretz Service and News Agencies

Tags: Israel News, Hamas, Gaza

Gaza residents on Sunday breached the border fence with Egypt in several places and hundreds have crossed the frontier prompting Egyptian border guards to open fire, said officials and witnesses on both sides of the border.

The breach came one day after Israel launched the largest Israeli offensive on the Gaza Strip since it captured the territory in 1967, leaving some 286 people dead and scores wounded.

An Egyptian security official said there were at least five breaches along the 9 mile (14 kilometer) border and hundreds of Palestinian residents were pouring in.

At least 300 Egyptian border guards rushed to the area to reseal the border, the official added on condition on anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the press.

A resident of the Gaza Strip side of the border, Fida Kishta, said that Egyptian border guards opened fire to drive back the Palestinians. Residents also commandeered a bulldozer to open new breaches.

Egyptian state television reported that Hamas security forces shot an Egyptian border guard and killed him. An Egyptian security source said Hamas forces had also shot an Egyptian policeman in the leg.

The border breach came shortly after Israel Defense Forces aircraft bombed more than 40 tunnels linking the blockaded Gaza Strip with Egypt's Sinai desert.

"The air force just attacked over 40 tunnels found on the Gaza side of the border. Those tunnels, we believe, were used for smuggling weapons, explosives and sometimes people," an IDF spokeswoman told reporters.

Palestinian sources reported that two people had been killed in the strike. Witnesses said that fires raged in the area and that dozens of explosions were heard.

Meanwhile Sunday, the IDF announced its intention to call up 6,700 reservists to duty, as the operation in Gaza continued.

"The Israel Defense Forces will, in the coming days, call up more reservists," Cabinet secretary Oved Yehezkel told reporters after ministers met for a special session Sunday to discuss the operation.

Defense officials said some reservists had already been mobilized to help in protecting communities on the Gaza border from retaliatory Palestinian rocket salvoes. New reservists would help complete the armed forces'
preparations for a possible escalation of the fighting, an official said.

Earlier Sunday, hundreds of IDF infantry and armored corps troops headed for the Gaza Strip border in preparation for a possible ground invasion, military officials said.
Israel Air Force warplanes struck at least 60 Palestinian targets in the Gaza Strip early Sunday. The death toll had climbed to 286 by Sunday afternoon, according to Al-Jazeera. The targets of the strikes on Sunday included a mosque and a TV station.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak, meanwhile, ordered the Rafah crossing to Gaza partially opened to allow in medical supplies and basic humanitarian aid.

"Operation Cast Lead" began around 11:30 A.M on Saturday as 64 aircraft delivered over 100 tons of explosives on 50 to 100 Hamas targets in the Strip, and was the largest Israeli operation on Gaza since 1967.

Barak told Sky News on Saturday that he would not rule out widening the offensive in the Gaza Strip to include a ground invasion.

"There is a time for calm and a time for fighting, and now the time has come to fight," he said.

Barak on Saturday also said Israel "cannot really accept" a cease-fire with Hamas, rejecting calls by the United Nations and the European Union for a truce.

"For us to be asked to have a cease-fire with Hamas is like asking you to have a cease-fire with Al-Qaida," Barak said in an interview with Fox News. "It's something we cannot really accept."

Asked whether Israel would follow up the air strikes with a ground offensive, Barak said, "If boots on the ground will be needed, they will be there."

"Our intention is to totally change the rules of the game," he added.

In the first attack early Sunday, Palestinians said Israeli aircraft bombed a mosque near Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, destroying it. Two bodies were retrieved from the rubble. The blast, just after midnight, blew out windows at the hospital, hospital officials said. The military said the mosque was a base for terrorist activities.

Another target early Sunday was the Al Aqsa TV station used by Hamas. Its studio building was destroyed, but the station remained on the air with a mobile unit. Palestinians counted about 20 airstrikes in the first hours of Sunday.

The massive offensive was launched in response to the unceasing rocket and mortar attacks that have traumatized southern Israel, despite a six-month truce intended to halt cross-border violence.

Palestinian militants continued to fire rockets at southern Israel on Sunday, even as the IAF continued to bomb the coastal territory.

In Israel, Netivot resident Bebert Vaknin was killed and six other Israelis were wounded when Palestinian rockets struck the western Negev.

Three Hamas officers among 230 killed in IAF strikes

Twelve hours after the strike was launched Saturday morning, at least 230 people had been killed and 780 wounded, bringing hospital services to the brink of collapse.

Of thePalestinians killed on Saturday, most were militants. The fatalities included three senior Hamas officers: Tawfik Jabber, the commander of Hamas' police force in Gaza; his adjutant, Ismail al-Ja'abri, commander of the defense and security directorate; and Abu-Ahmad Ashur, Hamas' Gaza central district governor.

Hamas vowed harsh retaliation for the attacks. "The Israeli occupation needs to know that it has cast itself into the fire," said Abu Ubeida, spokesman for the organization's military wing, the Iz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades.

The unprecedented assault sparked protests and condemnations throughout the Arab world, while many of Israel's Western allies urged restraint, though the U.S. blamed Hamas for the fighting.

But there seemed to be no end in sight. Israel obliquely threatened to go after Hamas' leaders, and militants kept pelting Israel with rockets.

In a televised statement Saturday evening, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said the goal was to bring about a fundamental improvement in the security situation of the residents of the southern part of the country. He added, "It could take some time."

At least 15 civilians killed in Saturday strikes

The Israeli air strikes caused widespread panic and confusion, and black plumes of smoke billowed above the territory, ruled by the Islamic militant Hamas for the past 18 months. Some of the Israeli missiles struck in densely populated areas as students were leaving school, and women rushed into the streets frantically looking for their children. At least 15 civilians were killed, officials said.

"My son is gone, my son is gone," wailed Said Masri, a 57-year-old shopkeeper, as he sat in the middle of a Gaza City street, slapping his face and covering his head with dust from a bombed-out security compound nearby.

He said he had sent his 9-year-old son out to purchase cigarettes minutes before the airstrikes began and could not find him. "May I burn like the cigarettes, may Israel burn," Masri moaned.

Militants often operate against Israel from civilian areas, and that has led to steep civilian casualties in the past when Israel has retaliated. Late Saturday, thousands of Gazans received Arabic-language voice mails on their cell phones from the Israel Defense Forces, urging them to leave homes where militants might have stashed weapons.

The offensive began eight days after a six-month truce between Israel and the militants expired. The Israeli army says Palestinian militants have fired some 300 rockets and mortars at Israeli targets over the past week, and 10 times that number over the past year.

In Gaza City's main security compound, bodies of more than a dozen uniformed Hamas police lay on the ground. Civilians rushed wounded people in cars and vans to hospitals because there weren't enough ambulances to transport all the dead and wounded.

"There are heads without bodies.... There's blood in the corridors. People are weeping, women are crying, doctors are shouting," said nurse Ahmed Abdel Salaam from Shifa Hospital, Gaza's main treatment center.

Military officials said aircraft released more than 100 tons of bombs in the first nine hours of fighting, focusing initially on militant training camps, rocket-manufacturing facilities and weapons warehouses that had been identified in advance.

A second wave was directed at squads who fired about 80 rockets and mortars at Israeli border communities. Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said Hamas' political leaders could soon be targeted. "Hamas is a terrorist organization and nobody is immune," she declared.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050618.html

[rudey]

ok now everyone's sphincters are a bit looser ( mines included )

if i have offended any members im sorry

i have been pretty upset that the way the israeli army have been attacking one of the most densely populated areas in the world
im staggered to why other goverments havent jumped in and forced them to stop !!!

i know its gong to be difficult for them to stop as people are firing rockets into Israel at the same time

just more innocent blood being spilled on both sides of the border

[-X-]

the goverments of the world aint jumped in cos the zionists control half the worlds cash and we like to kiss arse.

america along with uk agreed to help the jews get the holy land back which is why we sell isreal arms and not palestein...
but thats just the cynic in me..

rothschild isnt exactly an english name is it.

they wont stop until they get what they think is theres.

[Undertaker]

with syria backing out of indirect talks, israel continuing to violate lebanese airspace an hezbollah threatening to open up a new front things are not looking good at all.

[4me2]

Note to Robbo.............

I've just deleted a total garbage post of yours that had fuckall to do with the topic being debated here.

DONT post any more inflammatory crap as I won't tolerate it a 3rd time from you.

This is world news topic and doesn't deserve to be taken way off track by you.

[Robbo]

Note to Robbo.............

I've just deleted a total garbage post of yours that had fuckall to do with the topic being debated here.

DONT post any more inflammatory crap as I won't tolerate it a 3rd time from you.

This is world news topic and doesn't deserve to be taken way off track by you.

Didn't think it was off track at all! read all this thread. good topic though. you seem to quote from the jewish side though

Haaretz.com
?

As you mentioned in the other rant topic. Was 99% opposite. My point is I'm sick of the same old shit. WW3 is roundthe corner.

[Undertaker]

I doubt israel is going to hold back, they want to eliminate hamas for sure.

will they achieve their objective? one thing is for sure is that more people will die. I am surprised obama has not uttered a word, do you think that is significant?

[GTI]

one thing is for sure is that more people will die. I am surprised obama has not uttered a word, do you think that is significant?

Obama has already stated that there can only be one President at a time, so he is being pretty consistent there.

[Nibb]

Obama has already stated that there can only be one President at a time, so he is being pretty consistent there.

Exactly perhaps the timing of the offensive is relevant!

[rudey]

considering lots of obama's cabinet are jewish , come to think about it i bet a lot of the whitehouse staff are also

i doubt he will do anything at all, this is like the change over period the passing of the battons from george to barack

they will carry on as if nothig happened !!

its funny how when a particular race/religion has been persecuted so baldy how they treat other races when they get a chance to sit in the hot seat !!!!!!!!!!!


IVE SAID IT MANY TIMES


WOT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND

[blaggard]

They are not persecuting a race but fighting for territory, however after your now deleted comments from this thread your post does not surprise me. Both sides are wrong in this, violence begets violence etc.

[4me2]

I doubt israel is going to hold back, they want to eliminate hamas for sure.

will they achieve their objective? one thing is for sure is that more people will die. I am surprised obama has not uttered a word, do you think that is significant?

The trouble is they won't be allowed to win the same as they weren't in Lebanon.

If they were to fight a real war then this could all have been over years ago.

You would have thought they would have learned from the Lebanon war that if you don't go all out and follow through then they soon rearm and strengthen.

As to your earlier post about the peace talks with Syria well lets be honest they were never going to go anywhere.

Syria did more than help Hezbollah rearm in the aftermath of the 30 day Lebanon war .

Does anyone seriously think Israel can hand back the Golan heights a major strategic military point to Syria who are actively feeding Hezbollah and Hamas ? Its not going to happen is it.

As to Obama, I've said it before a hell of a lot of people are going to be disappointed in him because he is not and cannot be the Messiah.

[4me2]

Israel vows war on Hamas in Gaza



Images from a third day of Israeli attacks on targets in the Gaza Strip


Top Israeli officials have vowed to continue attacks on militant group Hamas, as Israeli air strikes pounded the Gaza Strip for a third day.
Israel was fighting a "war to the bitter end" against Hamas, its defence chief said. A top army official said no Hamas buildings would be left standing.
About 320 Palestinians have died since Saturday, the UN says. Four Israelis have been killed by rockets from Gaza.
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has called for an immediate ceasefire.
Mr Ban said he was "deeply alarmed" by the escalation of violence in Gaza. While recognising Israel's right to defend itself from militant rocket attacks, he condemned its "excessive use of force".
Israel has massed forces along the boundary with Gaza and has declared the area around it a "closed military zone". GAZA CAMPAIGN DEATHS
320 - Official Gaza toll (source: UN)
62 civilians in Gaza (source: UN)
2 civilians in Israel (source: Israel police)



West Bank anger at Gaza strikes
Israel looks for knockout blow
In pictures: Third day of raids


Correspondents say the move - in addition to the call-up of thousands of reservists - could be a prelude to ground operations, but could also be intended to build pressure on Hamas.
In other developments:
• The Red Cross described the situation in Gaza's hospitals as chaotic, with medical teams "stretched to the limit"
• A small number of wounded Palestinians have begun passing through the Rafah crossing into Egypt for treatment; trucks laden with medical aid have been permitted to cross into Gaza
• European Union foreign ministers are to meet in Paris on Tuesday to discuss the escalating crisis
'Topple Hamas'
Dozens of centres of Hamas strength, including security compounds, government offices and tunnels into Egypt, have been hit since Israel started its massive bombing campaign on Saturday morning. See detailed map of attacks

Early on Monday, raids damaged both the interior ministry and a science building at the Islamic University in Gaza, from which many top Hamas officials graduated.
Places hit by later strikes included the home of a senior Hamas commander and a car carrying gas cylinders, reports said. Five sisters were killed in one attack in the densely-populated Jabaliya area.
Israelis in nearby towns have faced an escalated militant rocket threat


Grief and fear in Gaza
Aid worker diary: Gaza raids
Rocket attacks plague Israeli towns


UN humanitarian chief John Holmes said his latest information was that about 320 Palestinians had been killed and 1,400 injured.
"Sixty-two of those killed, we believe... are civilian casualties," he told a news conference.
"That simply encompasses those who are women and children. It does not include any civilian casualties who are men - even though we know that there have been some civilian men killed as well."
Palestinian hospital sources put the death toll higher, with 345 people killed and 1,650 injured.
Israel reported its second fatality, a labourer at a building site in the city of Ashkelon that was hit by a medium-range Grad missile. Three people were seriously wounded in the attack.
Late on Monday, Israeli media reported two more deaths from rocket fire in the space of an hour, at Nahal Oz near the border with Gaza and in the southern city of Ashdod.
Israel says its aim is to end the rocket attacks by Hamas-linked militants - of which there were more than 40 on Monday, the Associated Press news agency said.
Defence Minister Ehud Barak said Israel was not fighting the residents of Gaza, but wanted to deal Hamas a "severe blow". The Israeli operation would be "widened and deepened as needed", he said.
The army's deputy chief, meanwhile, said that there would "not be a single Hamas building left standing in Gaza" after the operation.
Deputy Prime Minister Haim Ramon went further. "The goal of the operation is to topple Hamas," he said.
'Durable ceasefire' UN chief Ban Ki-moon called on both Israel and Hamas to "halt their acts of violence and take all necessary measures to avoid civilian casualties".

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has called for an immediate ceasefire


"The suffering caused to civilian populations as a result of the large-scale violence and destruction that have taken place over the past few days has saddened me profoundly," he said.
The US - Israel's strongest ally - says the onus is on Hamas to end the violence and commit itself to a truce.
But there have been angry protests against the Israeli action in many cities across the Arab world and in several European capitals. In Lebanon, tens of thousands of people took part in a demonstration in the capital, Beirut.
The strikes began less than a week after the expiry of a six-month-long ceasefire deal with Hamas, which has controlled Gaza since 2007.
Analysts said Saturday was the single deadliest day in Gaza since Israel's occupation of the territory in 1967. Israel withdrew in 2005 but has kept tight control over access in and out of Gaza and its airspace. The exiled leader of Hamas, Khaled Meshaal, has called for a new intifada, or uprising, against Israel, while the movement's Gaza leader, Ismail Haniya, called the attack an "ugly massacre". GAZA VIOLENCE 27-29 DECEMBER

1. Ashdod: First attack so far north, Sunday
2. Ashkelon: One man killed, several injured in rocket attack, Monday
3. Sderot: rocket attacks
4. Nevitot: One man killed, several injured in rocket attack, Saturday
5. Civilian family reported killed in attack on Yabna refugee camp, Sunday
6. Israeli warplanes strike tunnels under Gaza/Egypt border, Sunday
7. Three young brothers reported killed in attack on Rafah, Sunday
8. Khan Younis: Four members of Islamic Jihad and a child reported killed, Sunday
9. Deir al-Balah: Palestinians injured, houses and buildings destroyed, Sunday
10. Interior ministry and Islamic University badly damaged, Monday
11. Gaza City port: naval vessels targeted, Sunday
12. Shati refugee camp: Home of Hamas leader Ismail Hanniyeh targeted, Monday
13. Intelligence building attacked, Sunday
14. Jebaliya refugee camp: several people killed in attack on mosque, Sunday



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7803711.stm

[4me2]

Downing Street has said it is "appalled" at the deteriorating situation in the Gaza Strip after a third day of Israeli airstrikes on the Palestinian enclave.



Smoke rises from explosions following a fresh round of Israeli air-strikes


As the death toll rose above 325 and Israel promised a "war to the bitter end", Number 10 stepped up demands for a halt to the violence from both sides.
United Nations secretary general Ban Ki-moon condemned Israel's actions as "excessive" and demanded an immediate ceasefire.
But the US stopped short of calling for an end to the strikes against Hamas-controlled Gaza.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown held talks with his Israeli counterpart, Ehud Olmert, in which he urged access for humanitarian teams. He has also spoken to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.


UN Secretary General on Gaza




The devastation caused by the strikes has overwhelmed hospitals and exacerbated shortages of fuel, food and medicines in Gaza.
A Downing Street spokesman said: "We are appalled by the continuing violence in Gaza and reiterate our call to Israel and Hamas for an immediate ceasefire to prevent further loss of innocent life.
"In his discussions today with Prime Minister Olmert and President Abbas, the Prime Minister has also pressed for full, unimpeded and urgent access for medical teams: a humanitarian breathing space.
"There is no military solution to this situation. The Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary remain in constant touch with international and regional partners to establish the parameters for a sustainable peace.
"We must redouble the international effort to ensure that both Israel and Palestine have the land, rights and security to live in peace."
Israeli ministers insist their actions are designed to put an end to rocket attacks against their own territory, which have so far claimed two lives.


Palestinian protestors burn an Israeli flag


Palestinian officials said their death toll was now more than 325, with at least 700 wounded.
Most are members of Hamas's security forces, but the UN said at least 57 civilians were among the dead.
In a statement earlier, Foreign Secretary David Miliband expressed "grave concern" over the situation.
In an apparent expression of solidarity with Mr Abbas, whose Fatah party holds power in the West Bank but has lost control of Gaza to Hamas, Mr Miliband said support should be given to leaders who are committed to peaceful negotiations.

David Miliband


Campaigners throughout Britain have organised demonstrations, with many protesters gathering outside the Israeli embassy in west London.
Among the noisy crowds in Kensington, West London, were several Jewish groups voicing their anger at the Israeli Government.
Police said the section of High Street Kensington occupied by the protesters would remain closed to traffic until they dispersed.
Members of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign also gathered in towns and cities including Cardiff, Birmingham, Halifax and Sheffield.
Shadow foreign secretary William Hague backed Mr Miliband's call for an end to hostilities, but warned there is little leverage Britain can exert over the immediate situation in Gaza.






http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7803711.stm

[Over Carl]

Does anyone seriously think Israel can hand back the Golan heights a major strategic military point to Syria who are actively feeding Hezbollah and Hamas ? Its not going to happen is it.

Catch22 - do you see the other side stopping until they gain what they have lost (and bear in mind some consider this as the entire nation of Israel)?

Dunno why no one says this - Germany fucked it so they should be the ones to loose their nation - would probably help us economically.