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    9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'


    By Mike Rudin
    BBC, Conspiracy Files



    One of the twin towers collapses


    The final mystery of 9/11 will soon be solved, according to US experts investigating the collapse of the third tower at the World Trade Center.
    The 47-storey third tower, known as Tower Seven, collapsed seven hours after the twin towers.
    Investigators are expected to say ordinary fires on several different floors caused the collapse.
    Conspiracy theorists have argued that the third tower was brought down in a controlled demolition.
    Unlike the twin towers, Tower Seven was not hit by a plane.
    The National Institute of Standards and Technology, based near Washington DC, is expected to conclude in its long-awaited report this month that ordinary fires caused the building to collapse.
    That would make it the first and only steel skyscraper in the world to collapse because of fire. See World Trade Center 7's location and structure

    The National Institute of Standards and Technology's lead investigator, Dr Shyam Sunder, spoke to BBC Two's "The Conspiracy Files":
    "Our working hypothesis now actually suggests that it was normal building fires that were growing and spreading throughout the multiple floors that may have caused the ultimate collapse of the buildings."
    'Smoking gun'
    However, a group of architects, engineers and scientists say the official explanation that fires caused the collapse is impossible. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth argue there must have been a controlled demolition.
    FIND OUT MORE...
    The Conspiracy Files: 9/11 - The Third Tower is on BBC Two on Sunday 6 July at 2100 BST
    Visit The Conspiracy Files website



    Q&A: The collapse of Tower 7
    Timeline: WTC 7
    The BBC and the 'missing' tape


    The founder of the group, Richard Gage, says the collapse of the third tower is an obvious example of a controlled demolition using explosives.
    "Building Seven is the smoking gun of 9/11. A sixth grader can look at this building falling at virtually freefall speed, symmetrically and smoothly, and see that it is not a natural process.
    "Buildings that fall in natural processes fall to the path of least resistance", says Gage, "they don't go straight down through themselves."
    Conspiracy theories
    There are a number of facts that have encouraged conspiracy theories about Tower Seven.
    • Although its collapse potentially made architectural history, all of the thousands of tonnes of steel from the skyscraper were taken away to be melted down.
    • The third tower was occupied by the Secret Service, the CIA, the Department of Defence and the Office of Emergency Management, which would co-ordinate any response to a disaster or a terrorist attack.
    • The destruction of the third tower was never mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report. The first official inquiry into Tower Seven by the Federal Emergency Management Agency was unable to be definitive about what caused its collapse.
    • In May 2002 FEMA concluded that the building collapsed because intense fires had burned for hours, fed by thousands of gallons of diesel stored in the building. But it said this had "only a low probability of occurrence" and more work was needed.

    But now nearly seven years after 9/11 the definitive official explanation of what happened to Tower Seven is finally about to be published in America.
    The National Institute of Standards and Technology has spent more than two years investigating Tower Seven but lead investigator Dr Shyam Sunder rejects criticism that it has been slow.
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    The collapse of Tower 7


    "We've been at this for a little over two years and doing a two or two and a half year investigation is not at all unusual. That's the same kind of time frame that takes place when we do aeroplane crash investigations, it takes a few years."
    With no steel from Tower 7 to study, investigators have instead made four extremely complex computer models worked out to the finest detail. They're confident their approach can now provide the answers. Dr Sunder says the investigation is moving as fast as possible.
    "It's a very complex problem. It requires a level of fidelity in the modelling and rigour in the analysis that has never been done before."
    Other skyscrapers haven't fully collapsed before because of fire. But NIST argues that what happened on 9/11 was unique.
    Steel structure weakened
    It says Tower Seven had an unusual design, built over an electricity substation and a subway; there were many fires that burnt for hours; and crucially, fire fighters could not fight the fires in Tower 7, because they didn't have enough water and focused on saving lives.
    Investigators have focused on the east side where the long floor spans were under most stress.
    They think fires burnt long enough to weaken and break many of the connections that held the steel structure together.
    Most susceptible were the thinner floor beams which required less fireproofing, and the connections between the beams and the columns. As they heated up the connections failed and the beams sagged and failed, investigators say.
    The collapse of the first of the Twin Towers does not seem to have caused any serious damage to Tower Seven, but the second collapse of the 1,368ft (417m) North Tower threw debris at Tower Seven, just 350ft (106m) away.
    Tower Seven came down at 5.21pm. Until now most of the photographs have been of the three sides of the building that did not show much obvious physical damage. Now new photos of the south side of the building, which crucially faced the North Tower, show that whole side damaged and engulfed in smoke.


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    Default Re: 9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'

    The same people who have came up with those findings are probably the same people who still think the world is flat and the moon is made of cheese.

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    Default Re: 9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'

    Bullshit imo. So many things about 9/11 do not add up, very suspicious.

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    Default Re: 9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'

    i watched the documentry on this.. it was all believeable! and could very well happened

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    Default Re: 9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'

    always check the date on bbc most read/most emailed section

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    Default Re: 9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'

    Quote Originally Posted by Anakin View Post
    The same people who have came up with those findings are probably the same people who still think the world is flat and the moon is made of cheese.
    And I bet you believe everything our masters, sorry our government throw at us.

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    Absurd to relate it to an air crash investigation; the last thing they would do is destroy 'evidence' like they did by melting the towers steel.

    There is a possibility that this was an inside job, but then it could have only involved a very small number of people imo.
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    Default Re: 9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'

    Quote Originally Posted by burner1 View Post
    Absurd to relate it to an air crash investigation; the last thing they would do is destroy 'evidence' like they did by melting the towers steel.
    Well if an air crash wasn't the official cause of the whole incident, what was it then? Imo, it isn't absurd to relate it to an air crash investigation, what is absurd is the authorities disposing of all evidence, then claiming to launch an inquiry/investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Over carl View Post
    Well if an air crash wasn't the official cause of the whole incident, what was it then? Imo, it isn't absurd to relate it to an air crash investigation, what is absurd is the authorities disposing of all evidence, then claiming to launch an inquiry/investigation.
    I didn't mean an air crash had anything to do with the tower collapsing in the first place.. rather, their analogy of their tower 'investigation' to that of an air crash as in the time frame and in-depth studies etc.. and as I say, in an air crash incident, you wouldn't have got rid of evidence in the first place, however small.
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    Default Re: 9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'

    Ahh, sorry, looks like we thinking the same thing, I must have just read your post wrong

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    Default Re: 9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'

    And the Beeb reported tower seven down 9 minutes before it happened.It was still in the background as the reporter on a live feed said it had gone!!!!
    Just use enough water to cover your vegetables,the same goes for when you're having a bath....

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    Default Re: 9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'

    Been reading from various places that make the idea of fallign from fire even more suspicious.

    In 1991 a fire in the One Meridian Plaza skyscraper in Philadelphia burned for 18 hours and did not collapse. In 2005, a 32 storey building in Madrid burned for a whole day, there was a partial collapse, but the building remained standing.
    WTC7 burned for seven hours and suffered a total collapse.




    They point to Danny Jowenko, a Dutch demolition expert who has been in the business for 28 years, and who when shown footage of Tower 7's collapse said:
    "That is a controlled demolition... absolutely. It's been imploded. It's a hired job done by a team of experts."



    The allegation is that the owner of Tower 7, Larry Silverstein, was part of a conspiracy to demolish his own building.
    It stems from a documentary broadcast in September 2002 called America Rebuilds which documented the post 9/11 World Trade Centre site clean up. In an interview Larry Silverstein said: "I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."
    Critics say that by using the phrase "pull it" Larry Silverstein let slip the fact that he was involved in a decision to bring the building down. They point out that Silverstein took out a $3.5bn (£1.75bn) insurance policy on the Twin Towers just two months before the attacks. A policy that was to pay out in the event of a terrorist attack.

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