diesels and veggy oil, what cars?

[montsett]

dr. diesel first designed his engines to run on straight vegatable oil, unthinned. modern diesel engines find this far too thick, especially ford with the lucas pump. it breacks all too easily. had personal experience. very expensive to fix. you could make your own bio-diesel. of course it's taxed. bummer. adding veg. oil grey area. 50/50 with parrafin also grey area. red diesel high fine plus conviscate car. good mix for this is;
http://www.ukmd.co.uk/Mecatech/
great eh? i.e. 1gall. or 4.5ltr to 100mml. my colleague has been using this mix since december 2000 to great effect. or get the definitive book on the subject from;
http://www.veggievan.org/book/
you can't go far wrong with advise from it. you'l soon see why you can't use uncut oil for very long without big trouble. only cars with a pre-combustion chamber can get away with it. even then it's best to heat it at least. it's all in the book.

[montsett]

sorry .cars with pre combustion chamber. i know of mercedes, bmw, and vauxhall omega with bmw six cylinder engine. still best to heat straight veggie oil. anything else? anyone heard of the big bang? you'll get away with it ,exept lucas pump as in ford, for a short while then, especialy as it gets cold, below10 degs. the oil gets progresively thicker ,then wham bam thank you mam, open your check book and bend over.

[montsett]

you can of course take the die out with fullers earth, but you can't remove the chemical marker.

[montsett]

check this out;
http://biodiesel.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic

[montsett]

hope you all looked at the mechatech site. pretty good eh? solves all viscosity problems, esp. during cold months. anyway heres a good one to look at;
http://biodiesel.infopop.net/2/OpenT...rm&s=465094322

[montsett]

to be taken very seriously by us chip fat special guys;
http://knplogic.co.uk/are_u_mad.html

[joeblogs]

right lads the ford escort started making more noise so i had to thin it down to 75% diesal 25% oil.
this is due to cold weather.
i have to warm it first.
will keep you posted.

jo

[huggles]

Can everyone thinking of running their diesels on veggie oil please note that unless you register and pay duty at 45.82 pence per litre. If you do not do this and your tank is dipped,the veggie oil WILL show up on their lab tests and you will have your vehicle impounded and be liable to prosecution.My mate was running his van on 50/50 veggie oil and got stopped at on of the customs checkpoints.he has lost his van subject to court case for which he is being done for evasion of fuel duty.I aske customs about this and here is the email I recieved from HM Customs.


Dear Sir,our Oils HQ people have forwarded me the below info:
If you wish to use straight vegetable oil,as opposed to bio diesel,it must be dutied at the full rate of duty of the fuel that is being replaced(in this case Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel).This is 45.82 pence per litre.
visit www.hmce.gov.uk click on FORMS & PUBLICATIONS then Catalogue of Publications & scroll down to Notice 179F(Fuel Substitutes)Although you are not technically a producer obviously the duty has to be accounted for.
The form you need will be a HO 930 which you will have to obtain via the National Advice Service 0845 010 9000 they should also be able advise on where the completed form should be sent.

[Soulassassin]

What a bunch of w@nkers our goverment are, what about the VAT u already pay on the veggy oil, they just can't stand losing money can they. When the oils finally begin to run out and more and more ppl see the benifit of of using veggy oil I wonder how much it will cost to fry chips......

[huggles]

You don't pay vat on veg oil as it is a food stuff and therefore zero rated for vat. otherwise I agree the government is a gang of W@@#K3RS

[Hybrid]

@montsett > Good links, good info, good posts. Well done.

[cosmicma]

well it seems that running a car on veggie oil is as hazardous as running on red as far as the customs and tax is concerned

for the sake of it it looks like you might as well run red it's cheaper and the outcome is the same if you get caught
i think i'm gonna stick to straight white diesel from now on ypu never know i might get lucky and find somebody selling it cheap

[mickeyfin]

Sorry to reply on such an old thread, but I'd like to offer my best.


I am well into this run my car to the moon and back on veggy oil.

I am in a National Community for the promotion of enviromentally sound fuels.


Since this is such an old thread, fire away with questions I'm sure I can breath new life into them, recipes, tax, processing........Even advise on customs related issues........Bloody thieves.


Hang on this isn't very digital.

Much better than red diesel.

Very Interesting if your as tight round a pound note as me.


Basically if you've not read the thread. If your car runs on diesel you can run it on vegetable oil. To good to be true.....


No, OPEC's best kept secret!!!!




Ask me for advice, I'd revel in giving it


Note ---- Bio-Diesel is a marketing scam, relates to the quantity of veggy oil required by law to sell it as such...5%.....I ran my car on 90% veggy oil. Even the most sensitive vehicle could run on 50% veggy oil.

[whatnow]

90% percent vegitable oil? is that crazy? I mean if veggy oil ws that powerful why isn't it already used as a fuel?

What do you guy guys do, just go get industrial vats of veggy oil and then pour it into your car when you get home from the petrol station?

[danthescan]

Ever seen a chip pan fire M8 it burns alright LoLSmells like a burger van

[whatnow]

lol yeah i'm pretty dense sometimes. good point.

so why does no1 cash in on this? I mean call me stupid but isnt this the end to all of our fuel problems? isnt veggy oil infinite, cheaper and cleaner burning but it just stinks?

[mickeyfin]

If we stopped using mineral oil 2 thirds of the world would have to be allocatted to growing rapeseed to meet current demands for fuel.

People are cashing in on it currently contracts are being negotiated to run the vehicles of various fleets on veggy oil such as councils etc as it puts them in an environmentally responsible light.

Also the the UK is an exception in the EC to giving Bio-diesel tax breaks. A point of interest is that the only reason that LPG gets tax breaks and is so cheap is because there isn't a ready market for it. ie you have to mod your car.

It is very simple to make Bio-diesel I used to collect waste vegetable from my local chippy (they had previously paid to have it taken away by a hazardous waste company)

I'd sieve it to get the big bits of chips out then warm it up and filter it through a J cloth.

Next I'd mix it with turps 19 parts veggy oil 1 part turps and leave it to settle for a week in a sealed tank.

After a week syphon there will be two separate liquids, rubbish and water at the bottom, bio-diesel at the top. Syphon off the top oil chuck in the car!

Bio Diesel is already widely sold in Germany and VW,Audi,Mrecs are particularly suited to running on it. I ran a vauxhall astra on it with no problems other than people looking at me at traffic lights because of the smell!

[whatnow]

lol, thanks for the post.

This is cool, I just figured biodeisel was jsut a gimmik or just another form of desiel...I dont really know much on the subject but i'm glad I know a bit now.

I can imagine it is odd when your car stinks of a chip pan, lol.

so, roughly, how much is a liter if you're mixing it at about 9 parts veggy oil and 1 part deisel, based on the fact that you're buying large quantities of oil and not just crisp 'n' dry?

also im sure there will always be a demand for oil...I cant rerally see all the countries who's main export is oil going totally down the pan. I mean we're gonna run out anyway, so might as well prepare for it...i always figured when it was gone it was gone & we were all pretty fooked. it looks now there the future is unlimited, people are just money grabbing whores and wont stop doing what they want if make them lots of cash, i.e. e$$o & bush.

[bigbirdleroy]

joe let us know how it goes

trying to convince my mate who got a fiesta 1.8d to give this a go if i convince him will let you know

My mate has already tried it a 1.8d fiesta. It works fine and he has done 13,000 miles since he started putting it in. No problems at all. Also kerosene (central heating oil) will work. Better if mixed 50/50 with diesel.:thumbs