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    Whine Long term exposure to diesel....

    As an engineer, im regularly exposed to working with diesel and various other lubricating oils, used for the engines etc. I do take protective measures, rubber gloves, face mask when dealing with atomised fuel (testing injectors), but this only goes so far, there are times when its just inconveinent to wear gloves. Right now im sitting reaking of diesel. I know its a carcinogen, and this scares the hell out of me for when I am at a older age. I do have a shower at the end of each shift, and scrub like fuck.

    Anyone else work with diesel, what are your thoughts on the subject? Are you worried you will develop cancer later in life?

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    as far as i'm aware, unburnt diesel isn't a carcinogen but your biggest risk is dermatitis. Use good barrier cream(s), which also make cleaning your skin easier at the end of a shift.
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    Default Re: Long term exposure to diesel....

    i need to buy myself some good cream actually, none onboard. should be a requirement to have it, ill put in an order ;-)

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    Default Re: Long term exposure to diesel....

    You are at risk, from the aromatic polycyclic hydrocarbons that are present in Diesel. PCHC's are also the main reason that used engine oil is highly dangerous. Diesel has over 10% aromatics and polycyclics in it and you should use a good barrier cream and nitrile gloves, NOT latex. Showa Bestglove's Nighthawk Defender glove is one of the thickest disposable nitrile gloves out there and they are the black gloves that you see Police forces and the military using. Marigold also do a good glove called the NT14B but they are expensive when compared to standard disposable nitrile gloves.

    I highly recommend Evonik's (formerly Stockhausen) Stoko range of skin care products, they are among the best on the market. Stoko Protect Plus is the mutt's nuts of barrier creams. Their hand cleaner Slig is also one of the best in the market. (I'm not on commission by the way - it's just that they are excellent products).

    The biggest risk of all is of scrotal cancers, caused by putting rags into your overall pockets.

    I used to work in the oils and lubricants industry as a chemist and worked in it for 25 years, I know the risks well. I have known people develop scrotal cancer from oily rags in pockets and you should take care.

    If you need more information or advice, just ask.
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    Default Re: Long term exposure to diesel....

    Goose from your recent posts. Your not happy on that boat any more m8.

    Time to get another job before it winds you up too far and starts to fuck with your home life.

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    Get some gloves ....
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    Default Re: Long term exposure to diesel....

    i echo the comment on nitrile gloves, my missus developed latex allergy from powdered latex gloves and now can't even eat bananas, let alone touch anything rubber.
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    Default Re: Long term exposure to diesel....

    Quote Originally Posted by WotTheFook View Post
    You are at risk, from the aromatic polycyclic hydrocarbons that are present in Diesel. PCHC's are also the main reason that used engine oil is highly dangerous. Diesel has over 10% aromatics and polycyclics in it and you should use a good barrier cream and nitrile gloves, NOT latex. Showa Bestglove's Nighthawk Defender glove is one of the thickest disposable nitrile gloves out there and they are the black gloves that you see Police forces and the military using. Marigold also do a good glove called the NT14B but they are expensive when compared to standard disposable nitrile gloves.

    I highly recommend Evonik's (formerly Stockhausen) Stoko range of skin care products, they are among the best on the market. Stoko Protect Plus is the mutt's nuts of barrier creams. Their hand cleaner Slig is also one of the best in the market. (I'm not on commission by the way - it's just that they are excellent products).

    The biggest risk of all is of scrotal cancers, caused by putting rags into your overall pockets.

    I used to work in the oils and lubricants industry as a chemist and worked in it for 25 years, I know the risks well. I have known people develop scrotal cancer from oily rags in pockets and you should take care.

    If you need more information or advice, just ask.
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    Default Re: Long term exposure to diesel....

    @Wot the Fook - Great post mate, looked up some of the stuff online and ill be ordering it. I dont keep oily rags in my pockets, to be honest I think thats just rank. I dispose of any oily rags as soon as.

    @ JonEp - You guessed right mate, I want out of this job for several reasons. The first being that soon, in the near future ill be starting a family, and I want to be around for every moment my bundles of joy have to offer, as a seafarer Ill most likely miss the important things in their lives. Although the job itself is PISS easy, and pays really well, it doesnt feel as if im pushing myself anymore.

    I wish it was easy to say "ill just get a job onshore", but its difficult to find something that suits my qualifications. I have an HND in Mech Engineering, and a SVQ in Marine Engineering Operations. Most companies these days require a uni degree, and for any other job I would have to take an approx 5k drop in salary, roughly, give or take 1k.

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    Default Re: Long term exposure to diesel....

    work life balance.

    It's not all about money.

    by the way, where I used to work they use marine engines as standby generator sets. Could be worth a look?
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    Default Re: Long term exposure to diesel....

    this the barrier cream you recommend mate?

    http://www.arco.co.uk/products/2774100

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    Quote Originally Posted by maltloaf View Post
    work life balance.

    It's not all about money.

    by the way, where I used to work they use marine engines as standby generator sets. Could be worth a look?
    whereabouts did you work matey? that would be along the line of thing i currently do, service engines and other pieces of equipment.

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    Default Re: Long term exposure to diesel....

    I was at a specialist BT site, but they have similar sets all over. You'd do well to drop in a CV at places like cummins and dale. Our main sets were air started diesels between them generating about 7MW of electricity, if memory serves me correctly. I used to help out with servicing and head changes etc.
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    ill drop them a mail tonight when im on watch, bugger all to do on the midnight watch once ive done my rounds so i can fire off a few CV's. Would make such a difference having a job on shore, coming home to the missus every night, not having to worry about not sleeping because of the ship rolling, eating healthier (ship food is crap), not as much stress on the job.... i could go on and on lol.

    There was a time when i was newly qualified and loved this job. My last ship, with a different company was great, varied and interesting..left there due to the pay..

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    Default Re: Long term exposure to diesel....

    Goose,

    Like Malty says there are many others using the same types of generators. The flip side of that is to go to the manufacturers direct. You say it's a 5k drop which means (IMO) you are getting a rough deal. The offshore oil platoforms would mean you taking a 15-20k drop in the same situation from experience. I reckon with a little bit of belt tightening you could manage the £100 a week drop. I lost my job a coulple of years back and went from £40k a year to JSA. It was hard but we managed.

    The only problem I see is the onshore jobs market is shrinking, yet offshore demand is growing so you are favoured to working offshore. Mind you, if you don't ask you don't get, get that CV out there bud and get the ball rolling.

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    Default Re: Long term exposure to diesel....

    Quote Originally Posted by CallmeGoose View Post
    this the barrier cream you recommend mate?

    http://www.arco.co.uk/products/2774100
    Yes, that's the one.

    Some good information for you:-

    http://www.hpa.org.uk/webc/HPAwebFil.../1227169968068

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    Default Re: Long term exposure to diesel....

    Goose, I previouslly agreed to send you some detail on our place - you may be interested in working in our place in axial fans/compressors etc. I'll ping something over to you tonight when I get home.

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    Hi Brydo, sorry mate, i must have missed that, that would be excellent if you could send me over some details. i should note i no longer live in scotland , but do have plans to move back there soon..

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    Default Re: Long term exposure to diesel....

    Quote Originally Posted by WotTheFook View Post
    You are at risk, from the aromatic polycyclic hydrocarbons that are present in Diesel. PCHC's are also the main reason that used engine oil is highly dangerous. Diesel has over 10% aromatics and polycyclics in it and you should use a good barrier cream and nitrile gloves, NOT latex. Showa Bestglove's Nighthawk Defender glove is one of the thickest disposable nitrile gloves out there and they are the black gloves that you see Police forces and the military using. Marigold also do a good glove called the NT14B but they are expensive when compared to standard disposable nitrile gloves.

    I highly recommend Evonik's (formerly Stockhausen) Stoko range of skin care products, they are among the best on the market. Stoko Protect Plus is the mutt's nuts of barrier creams. Their hand cleaner Slig is also one of the best in the market. (I'm not on commission by the way - it's just that they are excellent products).

    The biggest risk of all is of scrotal cancers, caused by putting rags into your overall pockets.

    I used to work in the oils and lubricants industry as a chemist and worked in it for 25 years, I know the risks well. I have known people develop scrotal cancer from oily rags in pockets and you should take care.

    If you need more information or advice, just ask.
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    Default Re: Long term exposure to diesel....

    Great reply from WTF - I fished out the MSDS for diesel fuel http://www.hess.com/ehs/msds/9909dieselfuelalltypes.pdf
    Which includes all the dirt on this stuff

    I would say that any kind of volatile hydrocarbons are dangerous if you are exposed them for long enough. I would never use them without adequate ventilation and a lab coat and gloves (nitrile)

    The constituents of diesel are neurotoxins, toxic to the liver, and they are definitely carcinogenic to animals and so I would always be protected when using them, despite there being no concrete evidence of human carcinogenicity - why take the risk, they don't pay me enough for that

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    Unless the hydrocarbons have been issued with a new EC 900-Series substance identification number under REACH, you cannot be sure that something called NOTA N applies. Nota N under the old Dangerous Products Directive allowed for hydrocarbon solvents and fuels to be de-classified as being suspect carcinogens as the feedstock had been proven not to be carcinogenic.

    http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...RSOAu3SQKkG-Iw

    If it has a new EC 900 series number on this list and on the MSDS, you are using a non-carcinogenic material.

    http://www.reachcentrum.eu/documents...arch__2011.pdf

    Nota N may not apply to the old EC 200-series numbers and US CAS numbers, so use this list as a guide.

    I've been navigating this minefield for the last 12 months, because of the solvents we use at work.

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