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    Xbox Live Forza Motorsport 5 first look - how Turn 10's putting Xbox One through its paces

    "Everybody wants perfection," says Turn 10's vehicle art director Gabriel Garcia, "and we delivered perfection in Forza 4." It's a claim that obviously threatens to render Forza Motorsport 5 a little surplus to requirements, but Garcia has a nifty canned follow-up. "How do you improve on perfection? You actually make it imperfect. Because perfection is not authentic, it's not real." Besides killing off old concepts of single player AI with the Drivatar system, Forza 5 aims to portray a different standard of beauty to last generation predecessors. Its garage of impossibly expensive cars aren't just mouth-wateringly handsome - they're palpably, beguilingly made, alive with tiny discrepancies and blemishes inflicted during the manufacturing process.



    Look at a disc brake in just the right light, and you'll make out faint scratches where the component left the press. Zoom in on a tyre, and you'll be able to see where the Armor All's rubbed off against the road. Paint jobs are very finely pitted (the infamous "orange peel" effect) to reflect the limitations of even the most advanced industrial spraying techniques. The same attention to detail applies to the innards of the car. "You've got areas of the car where you have a swath of leather and it's smooth and looks nice," says Garcia, "but when the light hits it you see just minor variations of colour and value and depth to the surface."

    The visual benefits won't be obvious at a glance - indeed, that's the whole point. Turn 10 hopes the sheer depth of its fine-tooling will endow automotive buffs with a new appreciation for the subtleties of car creation, such as what separates a car designed for a showroom from one that isn't. "What's the difference between the two?" Garcia continues. "Well, they put the functional stuff into a cast, and they knock it out of a cast and that's how they ship the product, so you get this roughcast look, it's very pitted, it's not smooth.

    "Other parts of the car that the manufacturers intend you to look at and show off, they'll spend a bit more time on it - sand it down, smooth it out, paint it a little nicer. That's the kind of thing that we've introduced to our cars. It's all that minor imperfection that goes into a beautiful, perfect car. Get a little closer, and you realise all these things are contributing to that beauty."

    This level of care and attention is possible, naturally, thanks to Xbox One's substantially superior RAM allowance. To put it all in hard numbers, Forza 4's cars were composed of between 54 and 60 unique materials. Those of Forza 5 are composed of around 1300, and Garcia insists that "we haven't hit the limit of what we can do".



    The jump to Xbox One has necessitated drastic changes in methodology. "What we did was take all our knowledge from ten years, making four versions of Forza, and we just did a complete redesign of the entire production process, and our methods, and from the ground up we redesigned the way we're going to build cars," Garcia explains. "We changed it up and while we kept a lot of the good things, we've improved on other things that allow us to put more depth into our content."

    The studio has ditched all existing car assets and started afresh. "That's one of the challenges of developing for a new console," adds Bill Giese, design director. "We had to rebuild every asset in the game. Unlike previous versions where we could leverage things and move them over, everything's all-new in this console."

    This has entailed a considerable manpower investment. "We have a team across multiple countries, hundreds of artists, putting thousands of man hours into our content. One of the things we did as part of this new production process is we now have specialist artists who focus on very specific areas of the car that excel at what they do."

    Forza 4's not entirely satisfactory damage modelling has also been rewritten, in the service of a desire to make "the story of the car your story", to quote studio head Dan Greenawalt. Those who spend entire races in a honking, stamping conga line should appreciate the effects most, but squeaky-clean front-runners won't escape without a scratch.

    "Even if you do don't crash the car there's going to be signs that you've gone to battle in this car," says content director John Wendl. "You'll see carbon brake dust and rubber pieces and dirt and grime from the world, and to Dan's point that is your story, it's what you did in the car."



    Turn 10's commitment to authenticity comes with just the one caveat - there won't be any rust in Forza Motorsport 5. "We have to walk that fine line between a perfect piece of product and ageing it," explains Garcia, "because manufacturers want it to look good, they want it to look real, but corrosion is stepping over the line."

    He's quick to add, however, that "there's certainly no technical limitation preventing that kind of detail. Along those lines, we do kind of incorporate signs that the car has done work. Blueing on the chrome tailpipes, or discolouration - you know, things that happen as a consequence of running the car."

    It's said that racing games need new console launches to really flourish. The dazzling intricacy of Forza Motorsport 5's portrayal is vaguely suggestive of this idea - the obsession with detail feels downright decadent, the kind of luxury you reserve for a very special occasion. It's a powerful antidote to the depression that has gripped the industry of late, as current generation sales stagnate. The obsessiveness of it all also bodes rather well for more practical questions of track design, car physics and handling, of which you'll read more on these pages over the coming weeks.



    Source: Rheena.com

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    Default Re: Forza Motorsport 5 first look - how Turn 10's putting Xbox One through its paces

    wtf is it with everyone posting 'gameplay' trailers that show NO FUCKING GAMEPLAY!

    Looks nice, just like the previous ones.

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    Default Re: Forza Motorsport 5 first look - how Turn 10's putting Xbox One through its paces

    Quote Originally Posted by {{909}} View Post
    wtf is it with everyone posting 'gameplay' trailers that show NO FUCKING GAMEPLAY!

    Looks nice, just like the previous ones.
    Nothing new they have always done that and I find FMV pointless, even when they do actually post some gameplay it's riddled with FMV. Still not as bad as the old days you would get an intro of a spaceship smashing through asteroids while fighting a fleet of alien vessels and then when the game started it was a couple of different coloured blocks firing dots at other blocks.

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    Default Re: Forza Motorsport 5 first look - how Turn 10's putting Xbox One through its paces

    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Bouncer View Post
    Nothing new they have always done that and I find FMV pointless, even when they do actually post some gameplay it's riddled with FMV. Still not as bad as the old days you would get an intro of a spaceship smashing through asteroids while fighting a fleet of alien vessels and then when the game started it was a couple of different coloured blocks firing dots at other blocks.
    Game trailers are terrible and some even pretend to be in game : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1JOxxOhhTY

    Basically it's a sales pitch by the devs and they big up their games a bit too much sometimes so when the game comes along it's a disappointment that the camera angles were not as dynamic, or they simply forgot that their dev machine had oodles of ram compared to the actual console.

    At least at E3 this year both Sony and MS appeared to show a number of games with the in game engine and actually play some of them.
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    Default Re: Forza Motorsport 5 first look - how Turn 10's putting Xbox One through its paces

    Here's actual gameplay, starts around 1:30 in.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_NySJyi2pw

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    Default Re: Forza Motorsport 5 first look - how Turn 10's putting Xbox One through its paces

    Looks yummy Can't wait
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    Default Re: Forza Motorsport 5 first look - how Turn 10's putting Xbox One through its paces

    yup I went and found a real gameplay video after reading the post. To be honest, if it wasn't for the commentary pointing out the differences I would be hard pressed to tell if it was a 360 game or a xbox one game, that said, forza games always look fantastic.

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    Default Re: Forza Motorsport 5 first look - how Turn 10's putting Xbox One through its paces

    A launch game putting the machine through it's paces? Is this a Wii U post?

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    Default Re: Forza Motorsport 5 first look - how Turn 10's putting Xbox One through its paces

    Seeing it in real will be better than a video. Always is.
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    Default Re: Forza Motorsport 5 first look - how Turn 10's putting Xbox One through its paces

    I hope it comes out on PC!
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