Working with a sex offender

[TJB]

It's come out that a guy that works my place has done time for sex offences , specifically child porn. It came out by accident after someone googled his name and several stories from different papers came up. He was a detective in the Met and it was a fairly big story. Now it looks like he's in the running to be a supervisor. I'm not sure whether the higher management are aware of his background. Am I within my rights to refuse to work with him? Shouldn't I be allowed to know if people I work with are sex offenders? I don't actually work with him but if he gets promoted I could do.

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[BigBrand]

No, you're not within your rights to do anything, under contract law.

Wait till your outside of work and kick his fucking head in.

[Bald Bouncer]

If there are articles in the public domain as far as I am aware you are doing nothing illegal in making others aware of them.

[DavidF]

As much as I would be throwing up....He will be deemed to have paid his debt blah blah blah. If I were you I would alert the company owner/bosses/directors ect autonomously. Print outs of old newspaper clippings could also start appearing in the workplace/rest room/canteen even the loo's. Personally with most other crimes I would tell you to get on with it. But with that crime I would be making his life pretty difficult. Just don't get yourself in the shit.

[B B Leo]

turned out one of the tenants wee had was one, so the paramilatries went in and evicted him! nothing to do with me i didn't know about it. someone spotted him at a football match and the word spread like wildfire!, ended up he got took by the hand with a police escort to get his belonging and given a new house, he also tried to get me in trouble, lucky the estate agent told him politely to get lost

[consoles]

Served time or not these sick fucks never change, I would be leaving clippings lying around for others to find and it would soon spread around work, management would then need to make a move.

[B B Leo]

one thing i will say they might have served the time, but the victim have it for the rest of there lives. where is the justice in that

[prezzy]

Had one working at our place came up on his CRB - couldn't get rid because of it but he was working under supervision in an office away from everyone else - we were not happy about it but fuck all we could do - not really an option to kick the shit out it either - public sector would have been sued or similar if we had not taken on because of spent conviction - ridiculous

[burner1]

Had one working at our place came up on his CRB - couldn't get rid because of it but he was working under supervision in an office away from everyone else - we were not happy about it but fuck all we could do - not really an option to kick the shit out it either - public sector would have been sued or similar if we had not taken on because of spent conviction - ridiculous

I'd have thought that would have come under conditional offer of job 'subject to relevant checks'?

[Mr.James]

It's defo the same guy and not someone with the same name, like Lost Propets Ian Watkins/H from Steps Ian Watkins?

[GTI]

As much as this stuff sickens me, I am also of the frame of mind that all human beings are capable of rehabilitation and we cannot simply write someone off and deny them their daily bread and sustenance for an offence they have served time for.. otherwise why bother releasing them?

[prezzy]

As much as this stuff sickens me, I am also of the frame of mind that all human beings are capable of rehabilitation and we cannot simply write someone off and deny them their daily bread and sustenance for an offence they have served time for.. otherwise why bother releasing them?

One I was referring to above job applied for was community researcher, rather than have them go out knocking on doors with the public he was employed doing admin work in an office away from anyone he could do any harm to - I guess a good thing given a job etc

[Bald Bouncer]

I get the served time, rehabilitation blah blah blah but sex offenders have one of the highest rate of reoffending and some argue there is no rehabilitation but even if you don't accept that it is one of the lowest if not the lowest ratio of rehabilitated criminal offenders so I would absolutely make sure people are aware of what he is.

[darkstar]

It's defo the same guy and not someone with the same name, like Lost Propets Ian Watkins/H from Steps Ian Watkins?

Very good point . that's the thing with being internet judge and jury sometimes we get it wrong

[TJB]

Very good point . that's the thing with being internet judge and jury sometimes we get it wrong

I thought the same thing however there are too many coincidences. Everyone knew he was a detective in the Met before all this came to light. We also knew that he left suddenly to move to a different part of the country to which he has no ties. He also 'couldn't remember' which area he covered in the Met.

[GTI]

I get the served time, rehabilitation blah blah blah but sex offenders have one of the highest rate of reoffending and some argue there is no rehabilitation but even if you don't accept that it is one of the lowest if not the lowest ratio of rehabilitated criminal offenders so I would absolutely make sure people are aware of what he is.

What we're effectively talking about is a life sentence then, and in a work environment where there are presumably no kids what would be the benefit of making the man's position untenable? In the current atmosphere of 'hang paedos' can we really trust that people will react proportionally?

I full agree that these people should be monitored, have to be on registers and appropriate checks and balances be in place to ensure that he is not able to work anywhere near children. However beyond that we need to trust that the courts and the prison system has rehabilitated him to the extent that he can go off and be a productive member of society, and not continue to be drain on it which will happen if he loses his job as a result of a witch hunt.

[Bald Bouncer]

What we're effectively talking about is a life sentence then, and in a work environment where there are presumably no kids what would be the benefit of making the man's position untenable? In the current atmosphere of 'hang paedos' can we really trust that people will react proportionally?

I full agree that these people should be monitored, have to be on registers and appropriate checks and balances be in place to ensure that he is not able to work anywhere near children. However beyond that we need to trust that the courts and the prison system has rehabilitated him to the extent that he can go off and be a productive member of society, and not continue to be drain on it which will happen if he loses his job as a result of a witch hunt.

What I am saying is people should be aware of what he is, he may not be working in an environment with children but there is always a chance he mixes with workmates who have children and spends time with them, the ones who really need protection are the victims and with this crime in particular the chances of rehabilitation are very low so who needs more protection or awareness.

If someone attacks him because they have found out what he is justice will take it's course they are an idiot and deserve what the court gives them as they are not attacking them for anyone else but themselves, personally I would certainly be giving all these people the option of castration and if they didn't accept a vastly increased prison sentence with a lifetime of being monitored.

And as for the courts I don't think they even get near reflecting the public's feelings on this crime or the danger they are to society when they pass these ridiculously light sentences and this really needs addressing.

[macmilm]

Have always been for chemical castration and can't understand why in some cases it is not used !!! It is proven to in most cases destroy sexual desire/drive, then they could live among us imho

[JONNYG]

I have two boy's aged 5 and 2 and if a sex offender affected their lives in some way i would probably end up serving prison time for my actions.
Imo it's a incurable disease and they should be treated like lepers were and forced into segregation/quarantine or at least have a bell tied round there necks so to speak.....

[MsDG]

The problem with most people is the lack of knowledge before they jump on the "ped0" bandwagon.

Lets make it clear... The likes of Ian Watkins (including H from steps) need to taken out of society. However, I have real concerns with the UK law and the media with how sex offenders are bundled into one neat pile.

If you do your research you will find that possession of indecent Images of 16-17 year olds makes you a sexual offender. In UK law that would make most males in this country in effect "A ped0phile".... and trying to say "I didn't know she was that age" is also no defense. In fact I would not be surprised if almost everyone on DF had not once shot their bolt over an image that would technically classify them as ped0 in UK law (even if they didn't know it).

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/s...s_of_children/

So now that we have established that all men are a bunch of ped0's in UK law, can we start looking at the exact detail of what the offense was before turning into neanderthal man?

So, back to the original post.... I would suggest before you take steps to ruin someone's life, you take a little time to find out the exact classification of the offense and not the media generalization!