is this the start

[BigBrand]

The fight is on Box nation which has nothing to do with Sly...

Belting, so should be fine then. Decent!

Some of the posts in here make me laugh...!

Have you only been in the satellite hobby since CS?

What about people like me. I know nothing about CS, don't want to, just like to take advantage of it Most complex thing I can do is update a CH list that Det posts haha

[raelmadrid]

The fight is on Box nation which has nothing to do with Sly...

incorrect

froch fight is sky box office https://my.sky.com/orderboxoffice/

fury fight is boxnation http://www.boxnation.com/boxers/tyson-fury/

edit: entitlements are showing for both - weather they decode on the day is another matter

[scoobie_wrc]

wrong,its on sky PPV


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[raelmadrid]

few IPTV providers are doing it via enigma plugins now with no need for mag250 so don't chuck your box out yet

[Goldberg]

I mentioned before that my mate 'Rupert' is selling boxes for £2000 and they are guaranteed for life and use the actual $ky EPG/functions. In fact the box is just a special $ky box and the guy who will come to install it for you will be in a $ky van and will even put you up a dish.

You simply transfer the money to 'Rupert' and forget about it. Again I know folk who have taken him up on this and for 11 and a half months now they have not had a problem. Thinking of having a go myself...


In all seriousness though, it is hardly a big deal if we all had to go down the legit road for a bit if we miss it so much. There will always be 'another way' as there always has been. Trouble is they become too mainstream that $ky have to do something about it which results in it all going the way it is now.

I have had a go at Comca$t, NTL, ITV $port/Digital and now $ky. The ITV one was the one that really brought most of us together on here. Their is one missing from that list and me thinks that through the chatter that it will be the next one (and apparently already does exist). I have an input into the house for that one so fingers crossed.

[satzzz]

Yes Goldberg. The other one has existed for a long time. Even the old Dboxes still work on it

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[kroner]

Ripped from another forum...

Great explanation of how and whats happening at the moment...

Sky's new pairing doesn't introduce any significant differences to the existing NDS data, that data is still encrypted so only a genuine card can decrypt it, but what it does do is add an additional layer of encryption between the box/card to prevent their cards from being used in card servers like oscam.

A new HD box running the latest firmware is able to take the incomming NDS data [ECMs/EMMs] from the MPEG stream and further encrypt it before sending it to the card.

An old HD box (or an SD box) just continues as it did before, extracting the NDS data from the MPEG stream and feeding it to the card.

This design allows Sky to alter NOTHING to the existing NDS code, which is essential to (a) prevent loggers/hackers from running comparators over logs from the then/now data streams and (b) allow older boxes to work as before.

Remember, the change has NOT happened at the NDS level, it has happened at the firmware level of both the new HD boxes and the existing cards.

It's the boxes that are instructed to use the pairing algo [or not] for a particular channel(s) [or more accurately, entitlement group/level]

If you place a card in a new HD box, the card will be instructed to accept the newly encrypted data using the box's pairing key...

If you then move the card back to oscam, it will continue to expect that encrypted data for that channel(s) and try to decrypt it...
Of course, as the incomming data is NOT encrypted (coming from oscam for example) you'll get nothing worthwhile back..

So what happens when you put a card back in oscam or put it back in an SD box or an old HD box and leave it..?
If the card is unable to verify it's running in a new HD box [after x amount of time (or cycles) or following a new install/pairing process], it reverts back to the original system we all know and love, which is of course easy for most to share.
[I'm sure their lawyers have reminded Sky not to enforce a blackout on paying customers for fear of prosecution or maybe Sky have acknowledged some people may use their own older boxes in the event of a failure..]

How long Sky allow the card to revert back on the other hand is the question most payservers should be considering..

As it stands now the new system does nothing to prevent c/s, however, once Sky are happy they have updated all the smartcards (all those EMMs you've been seeing...) and have completed most (if not all) of the box upgrades, expect to see some disruption.

When this will be, you'll have to ask the boys over at Sky (and I'm not talking about their installers / customer support agents here lol)

Here's a quick overview of both the old and new data exchange:

Current:
ECM/EMM Data is fed to the box via the MPEG stream, it then passes it to the card for a response.

New:
ECM/EMM Data is fed to the box via the MPEG stream, it then futher encrypts the data using a pairing key before passing it on to the card. The card decrypts this in order to then decrypt and process the original ECM/EMM command. The reply is then encrypted [again using the pairing key] and sent back to the box, which then decrypts and executes it.

Both the original ECM/EMM data and the reply have not changed, the only thing that has changed is the way the data was exchanged between the box and the card..

As has been mentioned (and seemingly ignored) in this thread beforehand, it is possible to use a card which has been updated to the new system by dumping the key from a new HD box (pretty much in the same way you dump an RSA key from a Nagra3 UK Cable box) which then allows the use of something like newcs, utilising the receiver ID of course.

This information is not publically available as this would allow both ViasatHD and Sky (shortly) to be shared and to be honest, many that have worked on this are sick of all the exploitation...

[Mobileman]

yeah read that last night on cskings the amount of server people that have vanished of there last few weeks is hilarious

[Nibb]

Sky 1 HD gone now too I think?

[4031283]

Yeah gone for me and doesn't seem to have changed frequency. Won't be long now until Sports and Movies go too.

I hate using the Sky Box. I want my own setup and shouldn't be forced to use their slow crap locked down system.

[scoobie_wrc]

Shit, it fucking has as well, this is the start of the bigger channels then

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[Geko]

I look forward to the blackout and some grief for some of the more unscrupulous sellers.

[dringhouses]

I look forward to the blackout and some grief for some of the more unscrupulous sellers.

Ok people as you all know sly1 hd is off there are more to follow this coming week, unfortunately apparently a lot of them by this coming Thursday!

[Goldberg]

Does the guy who turns them off only work on Thursdays?

[dringhouses]

Does the guy who turns them off only work on Thursdays?

I wish Iknew the answer, but after all I can only say that live goes on and If I wantto watch something in particular It does not need to be on HD ( having a coolplasma TV with xd engine generation 2 helps a lot to get clarity on imagesbroadcast on SD )

I know good things don't last long, anyway make the best of what you have!!!

[raelmadrid]

( having a coolplasma TV with xd engine generation 2 helps a lot to get clarity on imagesbroadcast on SD )

keep telling yourself that

[dringhouses]

Yea man don't worry be happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[scoobie_wrc]

i call BS, no more until next thurday, defo not "a lot of them".

[kroner]

i call BS, no more until next thurday, defo not "a lot of them".

I think he's getting his info from Realist