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    Default Re: Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnzie View Post
    A true 4k console would be damn expensive though surely?
    Yes and no. Console developers almost always sell consoles at a big loss .
    Takes them a long time to make the money from them.

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    Default Re: Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’

    The exception being nintendo , who make profit on all there hardware , maybe they will adopt the same policy as sony ect
    with ther next gen .

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    Default Re: Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’

    I'm sure I read that neither Sony or Microsoft were making a loss on consoles this gen. It would be surprising for them to backtrack on that decision.

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    Default Re: Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’

    'Upscaling' is the key word here.

    It won't play native 4K games (as they won't exist), all it will do is upscale existing 1080p games to 4K. You need to spend some serious wedge on a PC that can do 4K gaming at 60fps with all the bells and whistles turned on.

    The same would be true for the PS4K.

    They simply couldn't build it with the right specs because the losses would be enormous, far more than previous loss-inducing models before it.

    Shoving around that many pixels at 3840 x 2160 (4 x 1080p) with all the effects at 60fps will not be happening any time soon.

    I'm sure the new console will have a beefier CPU and GPU but in no way will it have anything anywhere near a Titan (or 2) in there.

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    Default Re: Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’

    I doubt even the ps5 will offer 4k gaming other than the odd simple title. It would be like the ps3 and how only the odd simple title did 1080p.

    Although the ps4.5 is perhaps an attempt to delay the ps5 to a time when a 4k gaming console is plausible.

    I totally agree though. Building a 4k gaming console now would mean astronomical losses per console which even Microsoft's finances couldn't cope with let alone Sony.

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    Default Re: Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’

    It's going to be called the NEO!!! NEO4 sounds like a good name!

    I wonder if Rap can sue them?


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    Default Re: Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’

    So basically this is just a way of getting Netflix in 4K on the consoles isn't it?

    Interestingly the hardware should be fine as it is (for 4K video at least). I know the ports are firmware upgradable on the XBox One so the HDMI will support HDMI2.0. HDMI1.4 should be able to handle 4k at 30fps however my TV demands HDMI2.0 so I can't use my TVs native upscaler Shame really.

    This sounds to me like the old N64 "upgrade". Very few games will take advantage of the hardware with the current installed userbase as it would require a lot more man hours to make sure the game works well on both platforms.

    They just want to be able to launch another PS4 for the price that it originally launched at for people who want to say "hey - my PS4.5 is 4k". KAA-CHINGGGG!

    Happy to be proven wrong but I think this is a half arsed attempt at getting a certification logo on their hardware before anyone else rather than something that will improve the gaming.
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    Default Re: Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’

    Personally think this is a bad move on Sony's part. I just see them pissing off a lot of loyal customers.

    Granted we don't know full details yet so they may well have some dynamite release info that drops jaws... who knows.
    Not long till we find out.

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    Default Re: Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilBoB View Post
    So basically this is just a way of getting Netflix in 4K on the consoles isn't it?

    Interestingly the hardware should be fine as it is (for 4K video at least). I know the ports are firmware upgradable on the XBox One so the HDMI will support HDMI2.0. HDMI1.4 should be able to handle 4k at 30fps however my TV demands HDMI2.0 so I can't use my TVs native upscaler Shame really.

    This sounds to me like the old N64 "upgrade". Very few games will take advantage of the hardware with the current installed userbase as it would require a lot more man hours to make sure the game works well on both platforms.

    They just want to be able to launch another PS4 for the price that it originally launched at for people who want to say "hey - my PS4.5 is 4k". KAA-CHINGGGG!

    Happy to be proven wrong but I think this is a half arsed attempt at getting a certification logo on their hardware before anyone else rather than something that will improve the gaming.
    Yeah sound more like Sony going down the Apple route and producing a PS4S like The iPhone and the S version same shit just slightly better.

    I would be pist off if I bought a PS4 and now have to buy a PS4S :-(

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    Default Re: Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’

    Quote Originally Posted by akimba View Post
    Yeah sound more like Sony going down the Apple route and producing a PS4S like The iPhone and the S version same shit just slightly better.

    I would be pist off if I bought a PS4 and now have to buy a PS4S :-(

    If that is the plan then they need to shave £100 off the price.

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    Default Re: Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’

    From Eurogamer:

    How PlayStation Neo and the original PS4 will co-exist


    Games, hardware, PSN and more - how Sony plans for two PlayStations to live side-by-side.




    By Richard Leadbetter Published 20/04/2016
    In the wake of the PlayStation 4K 'Neo' leak, there are still plenty of questions that need answering, and we're intent on bringing you everything we can about the new hardware and especially what it means for owners of the existing PS4.
    In this article, we'll be drawing on the rules of engagement that Sony has supplied to PlayStation 4 developers. While these guidelines may change, the picture painted is clear and unambiguous. As the platform holder says explicitly, PS4 and Neo 'co-exist in the marketplace' - one is simply a more technologically capable version of the other, but there are some key points here amongst the wealth of information we'd really like to highlight:
    Dual Shock 4 remains the primary controller: Sony has no plans to introduce a new joypad for the Neo hardware. The Dual Shock 4 remains unchanged and Sony has actually mandated that all existing peripherals should be supported with no segregation between PS4 and Neo.
    1080p is the mandatory minimum display resolution: Sony is keen to push developers on to higher resolutions and super-sampling down to full HD is an option, but 1080p is the lowest pixel-count allowed.
    No online segregation between consoles: If a PlayStation title supports online features, they must be deployed equally on both systems. Developers cannot have Neo-only servers. We believe this may actually introduce gameplay balance issues if, say, the Neo version hits 60fps while the PS4 version is capped at 30fps.
    Save data systems are cross-platform: The PlayStation operating system is constant between both PS4 and Neo. This means that all data (save games, back-ups etc) are interchangeable between both systems by default. However, it seems that Sony is leaving it up to developers to ensure that Neo and PS4 save-swapping actually works.
    Forward compatibility patches are for old games only: Sony really wants Neo support on all games from October onwards. While older titles can have Neo features patched in, the platform holder will not allow new titles to add Neo features at a later date.


    Rich outlines new PlayStation Neo information, including how the system will live side-by-side with existing PS4.


    So those are the headlines, but for those with an eye for detail, here's what we believe is the complete list of rules and guidelines issued to developers. The situation may change, but for now it offers an intriguing insight into Sony's strategy for allowing two different PlayStations to co-exist in the same ecosystem.
    PS4/Neo system software functions

    The PS4 front-end offers an identical experience whether you're running on Neo or an original PS4 system. The PlayStation Store will be exactly the same, but Sony is considering offering enhanced media facilities - for example, 1080p gameplay streaming and recording. Access to 4K media apps with HDCP 2.2 requirements aren't covered in Sony's documentation. In terms of games though, the platform holder is highly detailed in how this is going to work:

    • The same PSN ID can be used to access the same content across multiple PS4 and Neo consoles.
    • However, you can only have one device allocated as the Primary Console.
    • The same PSN ID can't be logged in simultaneously on more than one PS4, Neo or combination of the two (presumably the Primary Console can play digital content offline though, as is the case now).
    • Save games should be interchangeable between PS4 and Neo titles (via USB or cloud storage). However, the system is platform agnostic. Sony is leaving it to developers to ensure this feature works.
    • Backed up data is interchangeable between Neo and PS4. That is, you can back-up data on either console and restore it with no problems.
    • Themes and avatars work on both systems.
    • Developers are not allowed to segregate Neo and PS4 users on the PlayStation Network. Online game modes must offer the same feature set.
    • Trophies and unlock rules must be totally identical.
    • PlayStation Store pages and physical game-packaging are expected to list Neo-specific features.
    • There are no plans to prioritise PS4 or Neo content in using the PlayGo 'fast start' download system.


    Trophies must be entirely consistent between PS4 and Neo modes, based on Sony's guidelines. There will be no Neo-exclusive trophies or any variance in how they are triggered.

    PlayStation 4/Neo Game Compatibility

    Sony is very keen on developers supporting both systems simultaneously, and is motivating developers to ensure that there is Neo support in all PS4 titles from Q4 onwards this year. It's also firm on unifying the platforms with little or no exceptions:

    • Neo-only or PS4-only games are not permitted (remember that Neo can still run unenhanced titles - developers are simply prohibited from locking out audiences of either console).
    • All games you purchase, whether via disc or from the PlayStation Store, should offer both PS4 and Neo functionality with no extra costs associated in running titles on a different console.
    • All new titles with Neo support use unified packages that run on both platforms. The CPU binary is identical, while three GPU binaries (shared, PS4-specific and Neo-specific) are all contained in the same package.
    • All DLC and additional content is entirely cross-platform. Unified downloads are used for both this, and basic game patches.
    • Neo support for old games is allowed via 'forward compatibility' patching - but this will not be allowed for new titles.
    • Developers cannot supply exclusive gameplay features for Neo owners. If the game has a split-screen mode, it must be available on both systems. However, modes can be enhanced - so a two-player split-screen mode on PS4 could be expanded to allow a four-player variant on Neo.
    • Developers cannot add exclusive content to either PS4 or Neo systems.
    • If there's a bug in Neo-specific code, developers are not allowed to divert Neo owners to the PS4 codepath. The game must be fixed.


    Sony says that the front-end experience and the PlayStation Store will be identical on both PS4 and Neo, though Neo-specific features will be listed on product pages.

    Peripheral support

    Sony isn't looking to make any dramatic changes here. We can assume that the Neo hardware has the same primary interfaces here as PS4 - namely, USB 3.0, Bluetooth and the camera interface.

    • The existing Dual Shock 4 is confirmed as the primary interface for Neo. There will be no new controller. As is the case right now, DS4 pads can be used and paired interchangeably between different PlayStation hardware.
    • Any special game peripheral you have which is compatible with PS4 should run identically on Neo.
    • There must be no difference in peripheral support between Neo and PS4 versions.

    Rendering guidelines

    We've already described how Sony is looking to offer higher resolution support for 4K screens with the Neo hardware, and how higher frame-rates, more stable frame-rates, improved graphics fidelity and further visual features are encouraged. It's a topic we'll be returning to in due course as more information comes in. However, In terms of hard and fast technical guidelines for Neo rendering, Sony offers this:

    • Games running in Neo mode must operate at a native rendering resolution of 1920x1080 (1080p) or higher.
    • A game's frame-rate must meet or exceed its equivalent performance level on base PlayStation 4 hardware.

    It seems that there are no new guidelines for ensuring rendering or performance standards on the existing PlayStation 4. One worry is that emphasis may shift to Neo, resulting in poorer experiences for the older hardware. We hope that the sheer weight of the user base ensures that the 'base' PS4 continues to get the care and attention it deserves.

    Star Wars Battlefront renders at 900p on PlayStation 4 - under the new guidelines issued by Sony, this title would need to operate at native 1080p at the minimum on Neo hardware, if it were submitted as a new title.

    The takeaway

    damage'In many respects, Sony is being highly conservative about what is - and isn't - allowed when developing for the new PlayStation hardware. Quite clearly, accommodating and not alienating the existing user-base is the primary concern here. There's also the concept of attempting to strengthen the existing ecosystem as opposed to allowing fragmentation. This extends to guidelines on exactly how Neo-exclusive features are communicated on the PlayStation Store. Sony is happy for developers to list them, but explicitly states that developers are under no obligation to up-sell Neo to original PS4 owners.
    So in terms of the technical underpinnings, Sony appears to have all the bases covered. The platform holder is creating a high-end 'Elite' version of the console, but at the same time ensuring that firm boundaries are in place for ensuring that the vast, existing PS4 userbase is not left behind. But in doing so, the question is to what extent developers may lack standards drop on older hardware - and by extension, does the need to accommodate the existing PS4 mean that developers will be limited in scope in utilising the much more powerful Neo hardware?
    And of course, there's the elephant in the room - to what extent is 4K display technology actually meaningful to gamers right now or even in the medium term future? Will Neo development instead concentrate on a richer 1080p experience? We'll be covering that topic, and the options open to developers there in an upcoming piece.


    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...-will-co-exist

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    Default Re: Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’

    Was considering getting a PS4 for Uncharted... Think I'll hold out now.
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    Default Re: Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’

    What we first have to remember is that these are leaks, nothing has been confirmed or denied by Sony. However the information is so precise it must be true.

    Sony at the moment are winning this generations console race, and winning big. 40million consoles sold world wide and still going strong with a major exclusive title getting top marks across the board with reviewers. The real question is why are they doing it now?

    I can only imagine that with the Nintendo NX supposed to have great specs compared to XBONE and PS4, and Microsoft supposedly building a more powerful XBONE, Sony simply have no choice in doing this if they want to keep up. Its just that their plans have been leaked.

    Now there is no way these consoles will play games at 4K the same way current consoles play games at 1080p, not unless these consoles are going to be pricey. I think the 4K thing is going to be for media, and if Sony really want to put a dent in not only the games market, but the digital video market at the same time they will include a UHD Blu Ray drive for playback of UHD Blu Ray movies. Think about it, when the PS3 came out not only was it the cheapest, but it was the best Blu Ray player on the market for years. Lots of people own PS3's simply for the Blu Ray player and couldn't give a toss about the gaming side of things. If Sony release a PS4.5 or Neo or whatever they want to call it, and include a UHD Blu Ray player with a entry price of £400 or less they would do the same for UHD Blu Ray as they did for Blu Ray with the PS3. The more I look into this side of things, the more it could be something to watch....

    Do a google search for Sony UHD Blu Ray Player and you will find there isn't one, nothing announced other than its something Sony are looking into and want to be part of, we have had CES this year with nothing from Sony on this front. Samsung and Panasonic both have one available to buy right now, prices are between £499 and £699 for those players.

    What I have said is just my opinion, but I hope someone at Sony has thought the same thing...

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    Default Re: Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’

    Quote Originally Posted by hilljd00 View Post
    I've just purchased - PS4 + Uncharted 4 + Doom for £269.99
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