Conservatives / Labour / Lib Phlems ?? War of the cnuts !!!

[piggzy]

I won't hold back on announcing my disgust of the cuntservatives full stop. BUT!!!!

What the fuck is going on with the whole cunt war in politics full stop. It seems to me that this last 24 months maybe more has turned into chaos with the conservatives just openly being the biggest cunts going but
the whole Labour saga that seems that it will never end. Lib dems have done a good disappearing act (dont blame them) . IMHO Corbyn should be given a chance and I think will surprise the sheepish dicks.

This has nothing to do with Brexit before someone claims it does it has gone on for a lot longer than that.

What has destroyed British politics or made us give up on it ??? Do we as voters not care anymore because ... nothing changes, waste of a vote, e.t.c


What do you think we can expect of things to come ?? I think this country is fucked big time for at least 10 years and again this has fuck all to do with Brexit imho
Our "elected" leaders are royally fucking us left and right and I personally am left with a very sour taste in my mouth .

WE NEED CHANGE (but what change do we need)

I rest my very poor case.

Where is screaming Lord such and the raving looney party ??????

[JonEp]

Don't worry, Tim Farron will sort it out !

[mij]

The 3 main parties are full of career politicians who mainly hail from the privileged classes and whose biggest ambition is to be an MP, for many of them a safe seat in either of them parties would do hence the problem.

Voters need to start voting for the MP instead of just blindly voting for the party as many have done for generations, in my part of London this mentality has allowed an out of touch tory like MP from another part of the country who had previously failed to win another safe seat to become our Labour MP after the death of the sitting MP.

Job for life he probably thinks and is probably right!

[DavidF]

We never properly recovered from the 2008 financial crash. I like to judge the mood of the people and their experiences and i suppose my own daily experiences......Things are worse now for me (although im not struggling just a point) and they are much worse for the majority of people I know. It really does boil down to that - the way WE feel. So Mp's or aspiring Mp's can actually get away with doing much less to get elected. They just depress the vote...get the voters to feel its not worth it and stay at home...then get the core vote out for a win(This is a tory speciality).
In short without me going off on one of my usual "it's this, it's that ect ect" type of long post in the end I blame us, the people. As a collective people even supposedly well educated people are pretty easily led by the media and either can't or refuse to see what it is around them that makes them poorer or even simply more unhappy.
One last little point - take out the iraq and afghan debacles and we had 13 years of labour government who didn't go near ANY of my own core beliefs BUT did do a hell of a lot of good. Real good work that they did not and have not ever got any credit for. I am "lucky" enough to have lived and worked through 18 years of conservative government.....and lol to all those gullible fools who think that tory governments do anything for the people...it's ok though as the way things are going youngsters are about to experience it too.

[Bald Bouncer]

For me I see it more as an increase of freedom and wealth for the rich and powerful offset by a reduction in rights and freedom of the masses, we see no wrong in massive interference in any country we choose around the world and the problem I have with this is what the fuck gives us as a country to decide to get involved in civil unrest in another country, if the unrest has the backing of the majority of the masses then it will succeed and if not it won't and will be crushed.

We do not have the right or should not have the right to sit in judge other countries on some sort of moral, legal, social, educational, financial or any other view and decide to change their system because they have a 'dictator' who the fuck is the dictator here if we do that, people of Iraq for example as a majority didn't give a flying fuck about politics they as with the majority here cared about food, a roof over their head, caring for their children etc, now you could argue we can't sit back and allow XYZ but if we have learnt anything from our interventions they make everything worse, more people die, more people stave and more are displaced so its a bit like burning down the house to get rid of mice all done with the absolute arrogance that the way we live and run our country is the right way.

For here the change I see is we as a society have not stopped caring we have just reduced the circle of people we care about to the point it is family and close friends and vote in elections for self serving reasons not for the greater good of the country, people seem to confuse love of their country with love of their lifestyle, we are now living in a society in that the media will call someone an extremist if they are coming up with policies of equal rights for all and aspirations of no one having to live on the streets, we live in a society now that if the man fixing your boiler gets killed on the way your biggest concern and annoyance is having to find someone else to do it. The media use the word socialist or socialism as an insult or mocking term in the same way they used to use the word communist or communism I just don't see the logical argument against socialism never mind using it as though it's a derogatory term may be they don't even know what it is who knows.

I sit in this country constantly having to answer to people I don't know, fill out forms at least on a weekly basis, my every move is monitored in some way and all I am told for my own protection and then I am told I live in a free society, once speaking to a Filipino friend about freedom he said we have freedom in our country and I said in what way and his reply was a man/woman in the Philippines can be born live their life and die never appearing on any piece of paper, never having to fill out a form or ever having to answer to anyone they don't know, now this may not be full freedom but fuck me it's a million miles from the freedom we have here.

Sorry for the rant/babble I would normally type and go back over but haven't this time so hope it makes sense.

[MHP]

5 year terms with no no accountability lead to short term policy's and career politicians. Our transport infrastructure, manufacturing, utilities, housing etc are all in their current state due to team red and team blue fucking it up in the past, yet people still vote for them.

[DavidF]

Good post BB. The bit about what does the ordinary Iraqi care about our version of the correct way to run our society is something I actually find myself thinking about often. I often see military jets and have seen many bombers pass over my house when im in kent and for the last few years I often find myself thinking "What if ? " What if France decide one morning "pah lets sort those brits" out and send the command to send in the jets...now I know that is far fetched ect in the current world but it does get the old head thinking - it must be bloody horrific. We watch these big fireballs and flashes on the tv and think wow look at that or whatever...but imagin for a min that you were the guy selling oranges in the market place just as these jets start unloading....The UK sanction this stuff daily....We supply arms ect to other countries so they can also drop bombs and all the rest daily.
I started by referring to Iraq but it doesn't stop there does it ? Syria, Lybia Afghan, Iraq...all these places "We" have been deemed fit to help en route to "democracy" and freedom.....oh how they must love us so.
Have a little look at Lybia in google images of the before and after the assisted uprising - https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=li...UIBigB#imgrc=_
Added to the facts that on the face of it they seemed to have a pretty decent standard of living prior to the removal of Gaddafi .....I know he crushed any dissent...but then so do our leaders...just in much more subtle ways.....

[piggzy]

I know he crushed any dissent...but then so do our leaders...just in much more subtle ways.....

Nail on the head

Divide and conquer works oh so well in our western society. Get the sheep fighting amongst themselves and they won't notice that they just got raped up the arse by their own leaders.

[DavidF]

Further to the part of my post above that was saying that 13 years of labour actually was pretty good (Not whoop de do great but pretty good) here is a 1 min video on twitter where Gordon Brown states what they achieved...quite a lot actually. https://twitter.com/saving_labour/st...65150533554176

Apart from that I see the "right" or centre of the labour party are at it already - on the Daily Politics bloody mocking the leadership and the policies. They really are a stain on democracy.

On a much brighter not I loved John Prescott interview with Piers Morgan this morning - Do have a google for it - JP tears the slime ball Morgan a new one verbally. Sticking up for democracy and really laying into Peirs and David blunket and all the dissenters.....Basically stating what most people want - LET US HEAR THE ACTUAL POLICIES Then WE can decide weather Labour are electable or not...at the moment the media just constantly harp on that Labour under Corbyn are unelectable....And the wheel out the bitter new labour lot (Who have now bee soundly rejected by the electorate who have turned their backs on the rightly or wrongly...i feel a bit of both tbh)..anyway they wheel these guys out stick them in the hot seat and of course as sure as night follows day they are programmed to be against the current leadership direction......I have always admired that JP man though.