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    Advice Wide format printers

    Canít justify spending £3k on a printer so to test the water Iím looking at a epson stylus pro 990.
    Question is are they any good and where can I get it serviced?
    what sort of prices are inks on these machines?

    Not sure if thereís anyone local that can service these machines? (Devon Exeter area)
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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    Inkjet printers.

    If you print something with it and hang it/use it outside it will be faded out to nothing in a few weeks/months. So no, inkjet printers are not a good choice for banners or car wraps.
    For those items you more than likely want a solvent, mild-solvent or eco-solvent based printer, which cost around £10,000
    As for the printer you mention, i would be very wary of buying a used Epson, in my experience even new ones are shite.

    HP make a vinyl material suitable for my HP large format printer, but it costs an arm and a leg.
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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    Been looking for inks and a full set for that epson is over £1k
    Might need to rethink and find a cheaper option.
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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    Ive got the Epson 7890 and it's a cracking printer. Don't get genuine Epson inks and it's bullshit that they are not as good.
    I use a company off ebay that have certified archival inks with all the lab paper work to prove and they are no different at all from when I used the Epson genuine stuff.

    After the initial purchase of buying their refillable cartridges (which still wasnt much) it costs about £20 an ink depending on volume..

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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    Where can I get one serviced?
    Do they come out to you or do you have to take it to them?

    anyone have a link to website that sell wfp cheap second hand?
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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    Quote Originally Posted by Teajunkie View Post
    Where can I get one serviced?
    Do they come out to you or do you have to take it to them?

    anyone have a link to website that sell wfp cheap second hand?
    They come out to you. TBF there is nothing on it you can't service or replace yourself. Plenty of youtube videos showing how.

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    I tried servicing mine and fucked it up so an engineer came out and fixed it :S

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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    HP latex or solvent printers are good..saw them at the sign and digital show last year..probably worth you going to a show and taking a look.
    I have a Roland 540 with truVis inks for transfers etc but for outside application would need laminating first. I use it mainly for garment transfers.
    got the Roland before seeing the HP Latex so if i was looking now would probably go for one of them...


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    Quote Originally Posted by ilscuro View Post
    I tried servicing mine and fucked it up so an engineer came out and fixed it :S
    What was the cost of that mate?
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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    Just found an hp designjet 500 for £395
    are these any good for banner printing?

    I don’t have a clue so need some help.
    once I can suss out the need of the machine if I use it enough I will be moving up to latex but for now a second hand cheap and cheerful will do
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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    Quote Originally Posted by Teajunkie View Post
    What was the cost of that mate?
    £150


    Quote Originally Posted by Teajunkie View Post
    Just found an hp designjet 500 for £395
    are these any good for banner printing?

    I don’t have a clue so need some help.
    once I can suss out the need of the machine if I use it enough I will be moving up to latex but for now a second hand cheap and cheerful will do
    That's the printer i have, i print all sorts on it and it's fine, a lot of printing snobs will tell you it's only a 4 colour printer/plotter etc etc, but i print anything from art posters to photographs and it's fine just buy some decent paper, make sure the printer has the latest firmware, because it gives you extra printing options, also always make sure you are printing with the highest image quality settings, and you will be fine.

    HP make a roll of material which they say is suitable for banner printing but it's expensive, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] one looks suitable for what you are wanting to print, and is reasonably priced.

    The engineer who fixed mine is a top bloke let me know if you want his number.

    This is a list of media you can use on this printer.
    HP Bright White Inkjet Paper (bond), Translucent Bond, Natural Tracing Paper, Vellum, Clear Film, Matte Film, Coated Paper, Heavyweight Coated Paper, High-Gloss Photo Paper, Semi-Gloss Photo Paper, Paper-Based Semi-Gloss, Satin Poster Paper, Studio Canvas, Banners with Tyvek, Colorfast Adhesive Vinyl
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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    So i cant just purchase banner material from my supplier and load it in and print?
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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    I don't see why not, just select the material you will be using on the printers selection screen, and you should be good to go.

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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    try some stuff from here mate:

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    we use the gloss banner vinyl and it gives great results I've use their digital print media and garment media and its pretty good and a little cheaper than Xpres etc..

    If you can get to s Sign and Digital show(this years just been) somewhere you can pick up samples of materials to test..grafytip gave me few meters on rolls at a time!
    It's well worth a day looking at all the stuff you can't afford..lol..

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    as for a printer, Grafityp have profiles to download for their media so check on their site if there's a print profile for any printer you're thinking of buying..

    I will let you know that printing banners also means eyelets and sealing or taping them if you are going to give quality results..sometimes it's cheaper and quicker to just get them printed by a trade supplier and add your markup..
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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    Just found a Roland vp300 for £1000 looks to be in decent condition and can be seen working but what’s the ecosolv ink?
    is there limitations to what can be printed?
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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    Quote Originally Posted by Teajunkie View Post
    Just found a Roland vp300 for £1000 looks to be in decent condition and can be seen working but what’s the ecosolv ink?
    is there limitations to what can be printed?
    We use the TruVis inks pal, and if you were doing outdoor signage work etc then the signs would need laminating really. I get excellent results from the SG-540...make sure it comes with Versaworks software, although I have a disk so could make a backup for you, I don't think it's protected but I'll check..

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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    Looking at the hp and epson wide format printers it seems they won’t be any use trying to print to a banner or vinyl anyway as it needs to be solvent or eco solvent ink or even latex.

    So that rules out out the epson and hp it’s going to have to be a solvent/eco solvent printer.
    Just need to take a look at this Roland vp300 and see what condition it’s in.
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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    Ok so another rethought.

    i have looked at the eco solvent print and cut machines and ultimately put off by the drying times and dispatch delays.
    So looking at a latex printer again around £3k but can’t seem to find a print and cut machine. Or am I being thick?

    all I can find is a separate printer and cutter.
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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    @mcdodd or anyone in the know.

    What’s the pros and cons of latex vs eco solvent then?
    can I print everything with latex that I could with eco solvent banners T-shirt’s posters and stickers?

    Still can’t see any answers in regards to latex print and cut machines though.
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    Default Re: Wide format printers

    Quote Originally Posted by Teajunkie View Post
    Ok so another rethought.

    i have looked at the eco solvent print and cut machines and ultimately put off by the drying times and dispatch delays.
    So looking at a latex printer again around £3k but can’t seem to find a print and cut machine. Or am I being thick?

    all I can find is a separate printer and cutter.
    hi, yes the Hp latex printers I saw were two machines for print and cut so take into the space you have available to operate them. To me the HP quality is outstanding and they can print on lots of different media. Also as you say they don't require the ink to dry off and I think don't require signs over laminating for outdoor/protection etc..
    If you are worried about drying times mine suggests a minimum of two hours, although it does have a dryer on the front I can set the temp of and set the printer to wait drying time before cutting the printed media. It's all in how you prepare your work really. I will batch all the jobs up(or most of them) and then either print them first thing am or last thing at night, I can then leave them dry overnight or through the morning and then prepare and print garments etc after that.
    if I'm printing 2m banners or large posters etc then I like to be there to ensure nothing goes wrong so allow time for that. I can always do some other jobs or design work while in the office with the machine..
    My Roland won't print on hard surfaces or textiles but as far as I know all other print media is fine.
    If you are planning banners consider a printer with a take up unit, trust me, otherwise you'll have 2m long banners rolling up or along your office floors!
    Hope that helps a little

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