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    Default Tips for laying artificial lawn? Or better to turf/seed?

    Iím fed up of my lawn, itís uneven, the grass used doesnít feel very nice and a lot of weeds. I had thought about seeding or returfing (still open to either idea) but think astro might be a good idea so thereís less maintenance. The house is about 5 years old so you can imagine how little time was spent when the landscapers came in to lay it originally.

    Does anyone have any tips or advice on whether to go for turf, seed or artificial? A local Astro warehouse has a sale on at the moment, 40mm artificial for £10.99 per sq. metre, I can get a sample of it tomorrow to check out the look, feel and quality.

    If I went for real then wasnít sure how to kill off and level what I have now and whether seed or turf was best.

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    We re-seeded our front garden.
    It wasn’t easy we had to turn it all over and even it out which took weeks as it was so uneven but the results were good.
    Our rear garden and side garden are both field grass and it more uneven than a rollercoaster but Astro would be in the region of £2k+ just for the rear garden so we aren’t going to bother.

    Personally I would go with Astro there’s no need for a lawn mower.
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    Default Re: Tips for laying artificial lawn? Or better to turf/seed?

    As much as Iíd prefer real, and itís not very big so I donít mind mowing it, I can see me getting pissed off when weeds do come through. My next door neighbours are forever putting down a bit of top soil and what looks like grass seed.

    If I went down the Astro route I donít know whether to put sleepers round the edge and just build up or to dig it all down. Some parts dig down ok but I bet thereís a load of builders waste under some parts that might make it hard to dig down.


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    Default Re: Tips for laying artificial lawn? Or better to turf/seed?

    Quote Originally Posted by evilsatan View Post
    As much as Iíd prefer real, and itís not very big so I donít mind mowing it, I can see me getting pissed off when weeds do come through. My next door neighbours are forever putting down a bit of top soil and what looks like grass seed.

    If I went down the Astro route I donít know whether to put sleepers round the edge and just build up or to dig it all down. Some parts dig down ok but I bet thereís a load of builders waste under some parts that might make it hard to dig down.
    I've been doing a bit of gardening in the evening now I'm working from home. Regarding the builders waste or "hard backfill" I have found lots of crap when I've been removing stones from a border. There must be a right load of old bricks under the lawn itself. I have been getting slightly obsessive about removing these stones in fact I bought a riddle and started to go over the border where I'd previously removed stones by hand. I found a piece of Delft pottery and I also found an almost completely indefinable Victorian penny. My house is fifty years old and the land was previously a farm although the farmhouse wasn't on this particular patch I guess the builder spread the old building around because I've found pieces of clay roof tile and half bricks.
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    Our bungalow was built around 1929 and the rear garden is full of smooth stones and rubble.
    Oddly before it was built this area was just fields and farmland as far back as the Roman era that I have read.

    Im not sure where the stuff has come from but there is no chance of digging more than an inch or two into the soil.
    When we moved in we put fencing up to keep the dogs in the garden and it took forever just to dig out for the posts.
    I dread to think how much work it would take to level off and install Astro.
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    Default Re: Tips for laying artificial lawn? Or better to turf/seed?

    Artificial is the way to go. - It's brilliant bud.
    Like most things though it's all about the prep.
    I put in 100 mm of type 1 sub base and compacted it.
    Weed fabric on the type 1
    50mm of sharp sand on top and compacted it
    Then a 40mm artificial lawn.

    Lawn tips.
    Make sure you get one with the drain fabric built in
    Get loads of samples - I got a load off Amazon, for a few quid to cover postage
    Look at them in natural light and walk on them in bare feet. so you can feel which suits you best
    When you lay it; lay it just like carpet - Start in one corner and work away from yourself, adjusting to one edge as you go - trim with a sharp Stanley
    Artificial turf has a weft to it. The blades are very slightly angled, so lay with them pointing towards the best angle for you (ie when viewed from the house, or from the patio etc)
    Pin it if it's a small area - If it's big, don't worry as the weight of the lawn will keep it down,
    Once laid, sweep it with a stiff brush to bring it to life.

    It's brilliant for me. I give it a sweep once in a while (I've even hoovered it with my robovac
    I get the odd bit of bind weed coming through from next door, so I just roll the lawn away and pull it out
    Dog shit? - No problem - Pick up what you can. hosepipe what you can't.
    just keep hot things (fag butts. charcoal etc) away from it, but even if you do get a burn in it, keep the offcuts from the original roll as it's piss easy to patch

    Mine's been down 18 months now - still looks brand new

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    Default Re: Tips for laying artificial lawn? Or better to turf/seed?

    It looks like if you're starting from fresh again you might consider artificial to be best. You'd probably be right. I have been enjoying watching the blackbirds pulling worms out of the lawn which is nice. I used to have block paving front and back at my old house so it's been a change for me to see some of these creatures.
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    Default Re: Tips for laying artificial lawn? Or better to turf/seed?

    Quote Originally Posted by I Black Belt View Post
    Artificial is the way to go. - It's brilliant bud.
    Like most things though it's all about the prep.
    I put in 100 mm of type 1 sub base and compacted it.
    Weed fabric on the type 1
    50mm of sharp sand on top and compacted it
    Then a 40mm artificial lawn.

    Lawn tips.
    Make sure you get one with the drain fabric built in
    Get loads of samples - I got a load off Amazon, for a few quid to cover postage
    Look at them in natural light and walk on them in bare feet. so you can feel which suits you best
    When you lay it; lay it just like carpet - Start in one corner and work away from yourself, adjusting to one edge as you go - trim with a sharp Stanley
    Artificial turf has a weft to it. The blades are very slightly angled, so lay with them pointing towards the best angle for you (ie when viewed from the house, or from the patio etc)
    Pin it if it's a small area - If it's big, don't worry as the weight of the lawn will keep it down,
    Once laid, sweep it with a stiff brush to bring it to life.

    It's brilliant for me. I give it a sweep once in a while (I've even hoovered it with my robovac
    I get the odd bit of bind weed coming through from next door, so I just roll the lawn away and pull it out
    Dog shit? - No problem - Pick up what you can. hosepipe what you can't.
    just keep hot things (fag butts. charcoal etc) away from it, but even if you do get a burn in it, keep the offcuts from the original roll as it's piss easy to patch

    Mine's been down 18 months now - still looks brand new
    Thanks for that mate, sounds perfect! I joked about using my robovac on it the other day when I was asked about how to clean astro I think I am set on it now so just need to get some quotes and samples.


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    Default Re: Tips for laying artificial lawn? Or better to turf/seed?

    We had artificial at our old place. The only thing I hated about it was how much harder it was to rake leaves off it. Bloody hard work compared to raking real grass.

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    Default Re: Tips for laying artificial lawn? Or better to turf/seed?

    I've never seen an artificial lawn that doesn't look like an artificial lawn, it looks crap in my opinion. Although to be fair I haven't seen many and times may have changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulassassin View Post
    I've never seen an artificial lawn that doesn't look like an artificial lawn, it looks crap in my opinion. Although to be fair I haven't seen many and times may have changed.
    There are quite a lot to choose from now, some even have fake weeds in them. I agree that you can tell it's artificial but I'm not trying to do it on the sly and that is preferable to a patchy lawn with weeds!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulassassin View Post
    I've never seen an artificial lawn that doesn't look like an artificial lawn, it looks crap in my opinion. Although to be fair I haven't seen many and times may have changed.
    The one we had looked pretty decent. The only real giveaway that it was artificial was the perfectly even shade of green on all of it. If you'd seen what that lawn looked like with real grass then it was obvious that I didn't have the green fingers to keep a real lawn looking like that

    My neighbour had artificial put down last year. I haven't seen it up close but the only reason I know it is artificial is I saw them lay it and, again, it has a nice even perfect green colour all over which is a dead giveaway. I haven't seen it up close but from my window it looks good to me.

    I really don't see the point of artificial grass with fake weeds in it though.

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    Default Re: Tips for laying artificial lawn? Or better to turf/seed?

    Are they any worse for drainage? It must be a consideration particularly if there's a slope towards a property. You compact the ground, put terram down or a similar membrane, then the artificial grass.

    My lawns have had weed, feed and moss killer on them for a fortnight. I'll be using the electric rake I borrowed over the next couple of days so the lawns will look a bit threadbare in places. But right now they're looking healthy in all the green places so it bodes well for the future after seeding.
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    Default Re: Tips for laying artificial lawn? Or better to turf/seed?

    One of my mates has his own small landscaping firm so he will be doing it for me at a bit of a discount and I will provide the lawn, I spoke to a client who is a big landscaping firm and they are getting me some samples and will give advice too.

    When I was researching myself it was a minefield, loads of blogs online that look like legit unbiased info but they always rate Tuda products the highest then say next best is Wickes, B&Q etc. but the stuff from the chains is over twice the price so looks like the sites are planted to market Tuda products. Some concerning reviews for Tuda about and the fact they have different websites registered on the same day is weird too, no reviews available on facebook pages etc.


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    Default Re: Tips for laying artificial lawn? Or better to turf/seed?

    I ordered my samples off Amazon.
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    From memory, the samples came with a business card and I then ordered directly from the company as it was a few quid cheaper than through Amazon. It is Tuda though
    The Wickes stuff had some great reviews, but their delivery rates was scandalous

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    Default Re: Tips for laying artificial lawn? Or better to turf/seed?

    Quote Originally Posted by I Black Belt View Post
    I ordered my samples off Amazon.
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    From memory, the samples came with a business card and I then ordered directly from the company as it was a few quid cheaper than through Amazon. It is Tuda though
    The Wickes stuff had some great reviews, but their delivery rates was scandalous
    I have ordered a load of Tuda samples to compare so will see how it goes. I don’t think Tuda do vinyl products and from what I read about it this is the best if you don’t have pets, but I have also found conflicting info...


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    I had my brothers dog for 2 weeks. Absolute turd and piddle factory. All cleaned up with no problems or marks.
    Here's a couple of photo's I took yesterday, after I'd vac'd it and brushed the pile. I've some vids too, so if you pm me an email address I'll send them to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Black Belt View Post
    I had my brothers dog for 2 weeks. Absolute turd and piddle factory. All cleaned up with no problems or marks.
    Here's a couple of photo's I took yesterday, after I'd vac'd it and brushed the pile. I've some vids too, so if you pm me an email address I'll send them to you

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    Cheers mate, the Tuda samples just arrived and to be fair they look really good. The cheeky bastards only sent 40-50mm samples which are all £20+ sqm, I had requested some of this pile but also some 30mm so I could decide between 30, 35 and 40 as 50 is too much. Just waiting for the samples from my client to compare and may try and get some from a local warehouse that specialises in the stuff. Yours looks really nice!


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    Default Re: Tips for laying artificial lawn? Or better to turf/seed?

    I went with a 40mm, as it just felt/looked so much better and was really nice to walk on.
    Thanks for the compliment, it's all in the prep really bud. Get that right and it's a doddle

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