North Korea + USA Double standards

[Robbo]

On Christmas Eve 2002, Pyongyang vowed to “destroy the earth” if anyone interfered with its interests. A similar threat was issued on February 6th 2003 when North Korea publicly stated it would wage “total war” on the United States by way of a pre-emptive nuclear strike. Propaganda posters from the country show missiles hitting the White House and other famous landmarks, along with North Korean soldiers depicted as giants, crushing American soldiers in their hands.

So who's next after Iraq? Syria, Iran or the big one North Korea?

Saddam Hussein is a puppy compared to Kim Jong-Il and yet where is the invasion of North Korea? Where are the forces of the ‘free’ world? The New American magazine succinctly outlined the difference between North Korea and Iraq,

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/20...no04_korea.htm

Crippled by the 1991 UN-led Gulf War, intermittent bombings by U.S. and British aircraft, and 12 years of devastating sanctions, Saddam’s military poses little threat to Iraq’s neighbors, let alone the United States. North Korea, on the other hand, boasts the world’s fourth-largest military; it has 37,000 U.S. troops within easy striking range of its artillery. Seoul, the South Korean capital, is 34 miles away from the demilitarized zone and well within striking distance of North Korean artillery tubes. And Kim’s regime has successfully tested the Taepo Dong, a missile capable of hitting Japan; the missile’s next generation may be able to strike Alaska aswell as the UK.

President Bush publicly claims to loathe Kim Jong-Il and yet


his administration has, like Bill Clinton’s before him, armed North Korea to the teeth with anything up to and beyond 200 nuclear bombs.

Every other month the media report on how the US continues to transfer highly sensitive material to North Korea, all the while fear mongering about how it's not a matter of if but when a city gets nuked. This isn't merely a case of double standards - it's absolute lunacy. Under the 1994 Agreed Framework, the Clinton administration agreed to replace North Korea’s domestically built nuclear reactors with light water nuclear reactors. So-called government-funded ‘experts’ stated that light water reactors couldn’t be used to make bombs. Not so according to Henry Sokolski, head of the Non-proliferation Policy Education Centre in Washington,

“LWRs could be used to produce dozens of bombs' worth of weapons-grade plutonium in both North Korea and Iran. This is true of all LWRs -- a depressing fact U.S. policymakers have managed to block out.”

The ultimate agenda behind arming North Korea is to later invade the country and acquire a staging ground to challenge Chinese dominance of North East Asia. China is well aware that any U.S. led takeover of the country will result in American troops stationed on China’s Manchurian border.

Within Chinese political and military circles, it is universally acknowledged that one of the strategic aims of future American aggression against North Korea is to position the U.S. for a devastating confrontation with China. Perhaps the Chinese should expect this because they continue to provide North Korea with chemical, biological and nuclear-arms goods and missile systems.

Many analysts agree that a looming U.S.-China clash will be the catalyst for world war three. Rest assured, the whole thing was planned that way.

[eminem]

according to this article North Korea is a much bigger threat than iraq, so why was iraq tragetted 1st?

[Robbo]

North Korea has no Oil.

America needs to get a strategic postion within the oil rich middle east first. (Israel not included)

The war on Iraq _ despite its significance militarily, strategically and where global energy is concerned _ was nothing but a trigger for developments that have been in the making since the end of the Cold war and the emergence of today’s unipolar world. These developments resemble birth pains accompanying the birth of a new world order. And, as is well known, the usual midwife for such births is war.

That was how the League of Nations was born after World War I, and how the UN was born after World War II. And that, most probably, is how a new world organization will see the light of day after the present “war on terror” is over.

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[4me2]

If this thread turns dirty Ill delete it no questions asked.

[beekae]

4me2,think it already has...go for the pre-emptive strike.

[dave208]

turns dirty?

anyway.. has there been any official comment from the US about n.korea?

[4me2]

Originally posted by dave208
turns dirty?

anyway.. has there been any official comment from the US about n.korea?

no and also none from the tree hugging countries like France and Germany who didnt want America to go it alone in Iraq but thats exactly what they want them to do with Korea so when that is double standards then I dont know what is because youll never see a better example of it.

[ABCMan]

i'm pleased to say the answer to this is very simple.

wheras iraq has proved that it is happy to threaten its neighbours and slaughter its own citizens, north korea is not known as much for its nukes as for its BULLSHIT AND POSTURING, look back over recent history, this country is living proof of the failure of comunism, it relies on external aid to keep its population alive and EVERY TIME it wants more it breaks off its treaties and threatens the west, of course it always backs down (and doesnt always get extra aid) thats why there is no need to go to war with n. korea because its nothing more than its usual comunist bullshit to try to get more aid out of the un/usa once the current removal of sadam is completed, n koreas bullshit will be settled with diplomacy because thats how its always done, unlike iraq where over 12 years diplomacy simply didnt work.

its got nothing to do with double standards or oil in fact only those who know little to nothing about north koreas past posturing would think that way (unless of course they wanted to think it was about oil because they supported sadam).

[Robbo]

The US has launched it war on Iraq not because the country has developed nuclear weapons, but because it has not. America deals quite differently with countries that have succeeded in developing a nuclear potential.

America was irritated when India and Pakistan held nuclear tests a few years ago. But all Washington did was issue a few statements condemning the two states, as well as slapping relatively mild sanctions on both of them. These were lifted when the US realized it needed their cooperation in its war against Al-Qaeda. At that point, having nuclear weapons ceased to be a problem and became a legitimate pursuit.

The world knows that Israel has more than 400 nuclear devices, but America has never protested; Israel is, after all, a law unto itself and is allowed what is denied to others.

Most recently, North Korea announced it was resuming its nuclear program. There is every reason to believe the North Koreans already have a nuclear capability. So what did Washington do? It chose to settle the issue through diplomacy for now.

America will never attack Israel, its 51st state _ but what about the rest? What about India, Pakistan and North Korea?

Now that is a perfectly good point.

Curse on Saddam's moustache
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[Junior]

Bush is a bully and I can see fully why he gets the support of the above. Birds of a feather.......

[Robbo]

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=392814


Also N Korea supplying missles to Pakistan

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20030331-55366.htm

[dave208]

while i agree with everything robbo said let's keep this thread along the topic of north korea etc.

we dont want this thread closed for having the word iraq cropping up too much.

[4me2]

All non topic shit is getting /has been deleted from this thread .

[sdss]

North Korea is acting like a spoilt kid that wants attention - when all they need is a good smack!


The difference between Iraq and North Korea is simple: with Iraq there is a risk of the use of chemical and biological weapons. North Korea on the other hand is going on about using nuclear weapons - if they looked at the Cold War they would clearly see the problem with that threat is the result is always Mutually Assured Destruction! Biological weapons on the other hand are a very really danger and could be used without much fear of similar counter attacks.

[Robbo]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/859191.asp?0cl=cR#BODY

Read the complete story.

The Korean's have the lot when it comes to WMD's not just Nukes.

[4me2]

Originally posted by Robbo
http://www.msnbc.com/news/859191.asp?0cl=cR#BODY

Read the complete story.

The Korean's have the lot when it comes to WMD's not just Nukes.

have they used them ? Are there 17 failed UN resolutions ordering them to disarm over a space of 12 years ?

[Robbo]

Not used them yet in warfare apart from testing on prisoners, although they are great at selling the delivery means to rougue nations.

UN resolutions don't mean diddy (Israel have ignored over 300 resolutions over a lesser period)

[Robbo]

GENEVA (Reuters) - The United States branded North Korea a "hell on earth" on Tuesday and demanded the U.N. Commission on Human Rights confront Pyongyang over what it called an abominable rights record.

"It is hard to imagine the possibility of a country whose citizens endure a worse or more pervasive abuse of every human right," U.S. envoy Jeane Kirkpatrick said in a speech to the commission.

EU diplomats have said the 15-nation bloc plans to introduce a resolution condemning North Korea for major abuses, including killings and torture, in the first such move against Pyongyang.

The Geneva meeting coincided with rising tensions over communist North Korea's suspected nuclear ambitions and a Pyongyang pullout from military talks at the world's most heavily fortified border. The poverty-hit North is also battling against food shortages.

President Bush has labeled North Korea, Iran and Iraq as an "axis of evil."

Kirkpatrick, a former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, said Iran's rights record had "substantially deteriorated."

"There are numerous reports of extrajudicial killings, torture, stoning, flogging, harsh prison conditions, as well as arbitrary arrest and detention," she said.

US SAYS CHECHNYA NEEDS POLITICAL SOLUTION

Kirkpatrick urged the commission to "address the serious human rights abuses that have occurred" in Chechnya, but stopped short of calling on it to condemn Moscow's policies in the region, where Russian forces and separatist guerrillas have been locked in a long-running war.

"Human rights violations by Russian forces in Chechnya need to be curtailed and abusers held accountable," Kirkpatrick said.

"We recognize Russia's right to defend its territorial integrity and itself against terrorism," she said.

But Kirkpatrick added: "The broader conflict in Chechnya cannot be resolved militarily and requires a political solution."

Russian forces say they are winning the fight against the guerrillas.

The European Union, which traditionally takes the lead over Chechnya at the commission's six-week annual session, has not said whether it intends to introduce a motion criticizing Russia.

Diplomatic sources said the Europeans were seeking to negotiate an agreed statement with Moscow that would highlight continuing human rights problems in the region.

Last month, the Russian government won massive backing in a referendum in Chechnya for plans for a new constitution putting the area on the same level as Russia's 88 other regions.

Official figures showed approval by 96 percent of voters, but continued fighting has cast doubt on Moscow's assertion that it has all but subdued rebel activity that goes back a decade.

On China, Kirkpatrick said the situation appeared to have worsened.

"We urge the Chinese authorities to take steps to demonstrate their commitment to cooperating on human rights," she said.

But she made no mention of any possible resolution against China that Washington has pushed for in past years.

Human rights activists have accused Washington of wanting to avoid any confrontation with major powers such as Russia and China over rights at a time when it faces widespread international criticism for its invasion of Iraq without a clear U.N. mandate.
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[Robbo]

The Bush administration is ignoring reports from South Korea and Japan that the North Koreans have test-fired a nuclear-capable, intercontinental ballistic missile, which landed in or near the state of Alaska.

The White House has not commented on a report in The Korea Times that the warhead of a “long-range missile test-fired by North Korea was found in the state of Alaska.”

The discovery of the missile warhead was reported to South Korea’s National Assembly and was culled from “a U.S. (presumably intelligence) document,” the paper said.

If the report is accurate, the warhead could be from a North Korean three-stage Taepo Dong 3 ICBM, which is, according to U.S. intelligence sources, capable of striking targets about 9,300 miles away.

Officially, as previously reported by American Free Press, the Pentagon admits that North Korea has only a two-stage Taepo Dong 2 missile, which CIA Director George J. Tenet indicates is capable of striking the U.S. West Coast, while the Taepo Dong 3 can strike targets anywhere in North America.

In the report to the National Assembly, Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Nakayama was quoted as saying “Washington, as well as Tokyo, has so far underrated Pyongyang’s missile capabilities.”

According to a retired Air Force intelligence officer, long assigned to the top-secret National Security Agency and to South Korea to work on radar defenses, the finding of the warhead in Alaska would indicate that the North Korean missile would have been tracked to where it landed by U.S. radar which constantly screens the sky as part of America’s air defense system.

“It would appear,” the retired officer said, “that the Pentagon is keeping a real tight lid on this one and I am amazed that the U.S. press has not picked up on a story appearing in a prominent South Korean paper and reported before South Korea’s National Assembly.”

All that the Pentagon is commenting on is that North Korea has tested in recent days two short-range anti-ship missiles, which White House spokesmen have said is “not surprising” and insists there is no cause for particular concern.

However, officials are ignoring the fact that North Korean anti-ship missiles could target U.S., Japanese and South Korean warships operating in the area, including a U.S. carrier battle group which has been sent to the region as a result of Pyongyang’s saber-rattling.

The missile hitting Alaska is (of course) not the first time in recent history an enemy nation’s weapon has struck the continental United States.

During World War II hundreds of Japanese barometrically controlled balloons, which carried explosive and incendiary devices, landed in the Northwest and elsewhere after being released from the Japanese coast. One balloon traveled as far east as Michigan.

It is reported that some Japanese balloon weapons were to have been laden with biological weapons.

But except for starting some forest fires and killing a small number of people who came upon one explosive balloon and accidentally detonated it, the Japanese balloon devices never became a serious threat.

Japan attacked the U.S. mainland twice with sub marine-launched floatplanes, setting more forest fires.

The North Koreans’ missile and nuclear weapons programs do present a serious threat, according to military experts.

In fact, a recent poll on CNN’s web site indicated that Americans are more fearful of North Korea than they are of Iraq, where a major war is looming.

Rep. Steven Kirk (R-Ill.) said the U.S. government might have to bomb the North Korean nuclear complex, located north of Pyongyang, should North Korea try to export nuclear material to other countries.

A March 5 article in The Anchorage Daily News downplayed the South Korean report, quoting Air Force Lt. Col. Rick Lehner, spokesman for the Missile Defense Agency.

Lehner told the Alaskan newspaper that the report probably referred to a three-stage missile tested by North Korea in 1998.

“[The missile] splashed in the water hundreds of miles from Alaska,” Lehner said. “I’ve never heard of any piece of a missile landing in Alaska from that test or any other test.”

http://www.americanfreepress.net/03_..._missile_.html

[Robbo]

TOKYO (Agence France-Presse) — North Korea, locked in a nuclear standoff with the United States, plans to import leading-edge Russian missile and rocket systems via Syria to upgrade its ballistic missiles, a newspaper reported yesterday.

The Stalinist state is expected to use the hardware, including the high-tech tactical missile Iskandar-E and the multiple-launch rocket system Smerch, to upgrade the guidance system and other functions of its long-range missiles, the Japanese newspaper Sankei Shimbun said.

North Korea and Syria have a secret deal on the trade, possibly based on an agreement on scientific and technological cooperation, the conservative daily quoted military sources as saying.
The science and technology accord was signed when North Korea's No. 2 official, Kim Yong-nam, the head of the Supreme People's Assembly, visited Syria in July last year.

At that time, Mr. Kim handed to Syrian President Bashar Assad a personal letter from North Korean leader Kim Jong-il, calling for closer ties between the two countries.
North Korean missile engineers are already in Syria to prepare for the arrival of the Russian hardware, the report said. They are expected to arrange the further undercover shipment of the hardware by sea to North Korea.
The Russians have not been informed of the secret transfer deal, the report said.

In exchange for the shipment, North Korea will cooperate with Syria's development of ballistic missiles, the report said.
North Korea has ballistic No Dong missiles, which can strike almost all of Japan, and longer-range Taepo Dong missiles.

In 1998, Pyongyang sent shock waves around the world by test-firing a suspected Taepo Dong-1 missile, part of which flew over Japan's main island of Honshu and into the Pacific.

Five years earlier, North Korea launched into the Sea of Japan a No Dong-1 missile with a range of 810 miles after testing two types of crude Scud missiles.

According to South Korean Defense Ministry data, North Korea is currently testing Taepo Dong-1 missiles with a range of 1,550 miles and is also developing a longer-range Taepo Dong-2.

Some military analysts here have predicted that this year the North would test-fire a Taepo Dong-2, which could be capable of reaching parts of the continental United States.

North Korea has launched at least two short-range land-to-ship missiles off its coasts in recent weeks. It has angrily spoken of being eyed as the next target of a pre-emptive U.S. military attack to end its suspected nuclear-arms ambitions.


http://www.washtimes.com/world/20030404-1376333.htm