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    '' how happy you will be when they outlaw killing rats and mice because 'they can feel pain too you know' and we all die from the next diesease to be carried by rodents, because we arent getting the protein we need to fight infection, because we cant eat meat anymore''

    LOL

    THEY ARE NOT BANNING THE KILLING OF FOX'S

    Just the CRUEL, IN-HUMANE barabric way of the killing. aka Fox hunting

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    not yet they arent

    but still, must i repeat this again, or are you only reading the bits of my posts that u have an answer for (namely, theyre cute, and its inhumane)

    it isnt a viable option to kill them humanely when that would cost money, money that the industry doesnt have - especially when there is money to be made from allowing them to be hunted

    its win - win

    except of course for the fox, and anyone that crys at watership down

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    LOL

    How popular is REAL fur these days say compared to 50 years ago!? NOT VERY POPULAR. A clear sign of the way the general public feel about unnesseary cruelty to animals.



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    The idea of wearing fur clothing is a bit gross anyway, but im not sure thats why it stopped being worn

    I suspect it had more to do with people not liking having paint thrown over them, by lunatic activists

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    Originally posted by The Prodigy

    LOL

    How popular is REAL fur these days say compared to 50 years ago!? NOT VERY POPULAR. A clear sign of the way the general public feel about unnesseary cruelty to animals.
    Yes because tree huggers like yourself have shamed people from being proud to wear such finary. But I notice all these tree huggers usually dont have a pot to piss in and i wouldn't mind betting jeleousy had a larger part to play in this.
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    Even if it is banned, people will still do it.
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    Originally posted by xdam
    because there not cute?
    No, okay then imagine a pig. Ugly fucking beasts they are.
    I would condemn the actions of Pig Hunters, if they had lots of men on horseback and dogs, chasing them and ripping them to bits.

    Anyway all this pest control is a load of bollocks, cos they only go on fox hunts on traditional days. If there had been no foxes causing a nuisance recently, they would still go.

    If there was a spate of fox related incidents but the next hunt wasnt due for months, they would still wait months.

    When they are chasing the fox, why dont they just shoot it?

    I aint got a problem with pest control if its really for that reason, I just dont like the idea of a bunch of toffs on horesback riding around ripping things to bits for the fun of it!

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    ''Even if it is banned, people will still do it.''

    Yes but they will be caught and heavily fined / jailed. Don't worry the RSPCA and Hunt saboteur groups WILL MAKE SURE OF THAT!

    It's a bit of a tricky thing to do without anyone knowing!! Lol


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    Originally posted by jimbob2002
    No, okay then imagine a pig. Ugly fucking beasts they are.
    I would condemn the actions of Pig Hunters, if they had lots of men on horseback and dogs, chasing them and ripping them to bits.
    Whereass i'd pay money to see that!

    But who said pigs are ugly??? Next you'll be telling em that Jade from BB3 was ugly! sheesh!
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    Horses and hounds that have been trained to hunt, bred for it, its all that they have ever known, will then find that they cant do this anymore

    These animals WILL be put down, fantastic achievement for animal rights there

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    ''These animals WILL be put down''

    HUMANELY and NOT chased for hours and then ripped apart!!


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    but it is cost effective, noble, traditional and most of all FUN
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    thats ok then, we'll just massacre hundreds of fine well regarded horses and dogs, in exchange for the lives of some vermin

    fantastic, truely a great victory, im sure the local vegetarian group in support of common sense will summon up the strength to smile for the day

    love it

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    ''cost effective''

    LOL

    The average Fox Hunt costs £5,000. That's an expensive Fox!!
    Me thinks a SKILLED marksman and lamping would be just a little bit more cost effective!!

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    rich people pay for the hunt, thats £5k of some rich guys, fathers money

    you think they are gonna pay for your marksmen? your living in wacko land

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    but your missing the fucking point.. the 5k goes to the FARMER not to some fucking halfwit shooter

    ECONOMICAL


    If the farmer was fluffy and cute would you feel sorry for him too?
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    The Hunt

    The hunters meet two or three times per week (varies for different hunts) during the foxhunting "season" which falls between November and April. Starting at about 11am they move off to the first area of covert (pronounced cover). Local landowners and sympathetic farmers will have previously kept the hunt informed of the whereabouts of foxes, and several suitable areas in the locality will have been identified.

    The dogs are sent into an area to scent out a fox and force it to break cover. With the fox in the open, the chase begins and can continue for an hour or more. This part of the hunt provides the "field" (i.e. the riders) with the excitement they crave as they hurdle fences, ditches and walls in pursuit of the fox.

    The fox will go anywhere to escape the hounds. He will try to go to earth down a fox- hole, drain or badger sett but these escapes are likely to have been blocked the night before by hunt supporters. The fox will run among sheep and other livestock, the hounds following in pursuit, resulting in the livestock being scattered and put under stress.



    If he cannot escape, the fox is chased to exhaustion at which point he will be caught and savaged to death by the hounds. Foxhounds are bred for stamina, not speed, otherwise the fox would be caught too soon and spoil the hunters' fun.

    Often a fox will succeed in finding an unblocked refuge. The hunt has several options; they can leave the fox if they are confident of finding others, they can dig him out with shovels, or they can send for the terrierman, who will either send down a terrier to bolt the fox, allowing the chase to continue, or they will dig the fox out later when the "field" has gone.

    Give a fox a bad name...

    How often do you hear people say that foxes are "vermin which must be controlled"? This is certainly a phrase that fox hunters will use freely in an attempt to justify their activities so let us consider this claim a little more closely. Based on the facts - and not hearsay - foxes can not be accurately termed vermin.

    All the scientific evidence shows that the fox is not a significant pest. It is not officially classed as vermin - the term vermin does not appear in the 1976 Wildlife Act). The truth is that foxes can be a valuable asset to farmers by, for example, keeping down the numbers of rabbits, voles and rats which can cause damage to crops and forestry.

    So from where does the myth of foxes being a pest come?

    Much of the case against foxes stems from the finding of lamb carcasses at fox dens. It is assumed that these were live lambs killed by the fox. Reliable and independent research has shown that these carcasses result from the fox scavenging on dead lambs - lambs which have died from exposure for example - and that the numbers killed by foxes are low and insignificant.

    Of course, the hunters themselves are keen to support the impression that foxes are a serious pest to farmers because this allows them to claim that their activities are beneficial to the farmers.

    In reality the damage caused by the hunts is likely to be a much greater risk to the livestock than the foxes.

    Foxes are not a threat - The evidence

    Here is a summary of a few of the many research studies carried out on foxes:

    The lamb carcasses at fox dens are mainly carrion, i.e. a lamb already dead when taken by the fox.
    Notes from the Mammal Society, No. 50, 1985, pages 291-296.

    A study of lambing in upland areas showed that lamb losses were unaffected by the presence of foxes.
    Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food report, 1985.

    On the Scottish island of Mull, there are no foxes yet lamb production is no better than in comparable areas where there are foxes.
    Journal of Applied Ecology, 1984, pp 843-868.

    The Cruelty

    Fox hunting is arguably the most sadistically cruel of all the legal blood "sports". The purpose of fox hunting is to chase the fox to exhaustion for an hour or more before the animal is literally torn to pieces by the hounds. This long and protracted suffering is an essential and desired part of the sport in the eyes of the hunters. If the control of foxes were the aim, faster dogs could be used or the foxes could be shot be skilled marksmen.

    The dogs have to be blooded during the cub-hunting season (also euphemistically termed autumn hunting) and the terrier man is never far away should the fox find refuge down a drain or fox hole. All animal welfare organisations throughout the world condemn fox hunting.

    Farmers and Hunting

    If the foxhunters' claim that they are controlling a serious pest had any substance, you would imagine that farmers would welcome the hunt onto their lands.

    Yet each Autumn you will see large numbers of farmers going to the trouble and expense of placing notices in the local press banning the hunt from their lands with "lands preserved" notices. They have found that the hunts do more damage than good, in many cases scattering livestock. In a typical case recently, a farmer claimed damages for ewes that had aborted after a hunt had come onto his land and scattered them. His claim was dismissed, one of the grounds for the dismissal being that he had not made it sufficiently clear that he did not want the hunt on his land.

    With increasing concerns over the possible spread of disease, farmers are becoming more reluctant to allow free passage for hunts over their land.

    The Alternative

    Fox hunters claim that what they really enjoy is not the kill, but working with hounds and riding across open country. If this is so, then a real alternative is drag hunting, where a scent (often containing aniseed) is laid for the hounds and riders to follow. Not only can drag hunting provide an exhilarating test for hounds and riders, it can also avoid serious damage to crops and livestock.

    Die-hard foxhunters ridicule drag hunting - "it's not really hunting" is a typical claim. Of course there is one difference - there is no kill in drag hunting.

    Indeed several hunts exclusively practice drag hunting in Ireland. By eliminating the unacceptable cruelty of foxhunting, they can ensure the long term viability of the genuine sporting aspects of "hunting" with hounds and secure the continuing employment of those whose livelihoods would, it is said by hunts supporters, be jeopardised by the abolition of foxhunting.

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    they should of banned it years ago it is not right

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    ok i've waited and watched, you all know that fox hunting posts are NOT SUPPOSED TO BE POSTED, however this thread has behaved so far so it can stay, unless the fur starts flying, then so will bans.

    firstly, leftfield do you live in a city? my guess is that you do since most people that live in the countryside are pro hunting (or like most city dwellers just couldnt give a fuck)

    the hunts are paid for by the people who take part in them as is any damage to farmers property, the hunts also directly pay for quite a bit of countryside employment so this wonderfull idea of banning hunting would thow thousands of HUMAN BEINGS onto the dole as well as consign thousands of (very cute) pack hounds to death, if fact more animals will die if there is a hunting ban than if hunting stays, because foxes are still vermin and will still be killed but a hunting ban will increase the fox population to kill more livestock and poultry.

    farmers arent going to humanely kill vermin so plenty of dear sweet foxes will die a slow and painful death from a shotgun wound instead of a faster death from hounds.

    i for one hope that the house of lords once again throws out this stupid ban as it should do after all the lords was set up to provide checks and balences to the commons not to be its lapdog as blair wants, maybe the government should spend a little more time dealing with the problems in british society before pushing its party political "have a go at the toffs" agenda, if it realy wants to reduce cruelty to animals then it should ban halal meat production as that probably kills more animals in a cruel way in one day than hunting kills in a year.

    lastly on the subject of the tree huggers who want hunting banned if they love animals so much why do they set traps for the horses and hounds to kill or injure them?, why do they try to startle the horses to kill or injure the riders or the hounds? and why do they all drive to the countryside to do it? why arent they trying to ban cars from driving to prevent the city foxes from getting run over? or better yet why arent they getting a life and taking on an important subject like homelessness instead of taking part in violent crimes and trying to ruin the livelyhoods of normal people who just want to keep country life as it is?

    @wizer i do like the idea of tree hugger hunts though.



    you can read more about this abuse of power by the government here http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/foxman/main.html

    you can also email your postcode to grassroute@countryside-alliance.org to get details of your local PRO countryside coordinator who will help you find out how you can fight the tree huggers and the government.

    you should also show support for the countryside by joining http://www.countryside-alliance.org/ and helping to show b liar and his politcal cronies that most people dont want a ban on hunting (unlike they would have you believe)




    stand up for YOUR people, stand up for YOUR country, stand up for YOUR rights.

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    want to know why tree huggers want hunting stopped? its so more farmers can find their livestock looking like these.


    This is a 15-pound Angora kid bitten in the throat and below the left ear


    This 25-pound angora kid was also attacked at the throat by a fox.

    personaly i'd rather be on the side of these pro hunt gals than vermin



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