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    Bad News 2012 Olympics in London to clash with Ramadan

    2012 Olympics in London to clash with Ramadan
    The organisers are working with the Muslim Council of Great Britain to find ways around the problem.

    Sunday, October 15, 2006

    Muslim groups from across the world are criticising the organisers of the 2012 Olympics in London after it was revealed that the games will take place over Ramadan. The most holy month in the Muslim calander, which will take place from the 21 July to 20 August in 2012, involves fasting during daylight hours and will affect an estimated 3,000 athletes.

    The organisers are working with the Muslim Council of Great Britain to find ways around the problem.

    Joanna Manning Cooper, spokesman work the games said: "We did know about it when we submitted our bid and we have always believed that we could find ways to accomodate it." Nevertheless, this will come as a huge embarrasment for the organisers who have tried to ensure the event involve all of Britain's ethnic communities.

    A quarter of the athletes who took part in the 2004 Athens Olympics were from predominantly Muslim countries and the fast will put any athletes involved at a clear disadvantage.

    The chairman of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, Massoud Shadjared said: "This is going to disadvantage the athletes and alienate the Asian communities by saying the don't matter. It's not only going to affect the participants, it's going to affect all the people who want to watch the games."

    The president of the National Olympic Committee of Turkey, Togay Bayalti, said: "This will be difficult for Muslim athletes. They don't have to observe Ramadan if they are doing sport and travelling but they will have to decide whether it is important to them."It would be nice for the friendship of the Games if they had chosen a different date."

    The games will run from the 27 July to 12 August to coincide with the British Summer holidays. The summer holidays are a six week period running from mid July to early September. During this time, public transportation is generally less crowded and it will be easier to find the 70,000 volunteers needed to keep the games running. The International Olympics Committee has specified that the games must take place between July 15 to August 31. Giselle Davies, IOC spokesperson said, "We give a window to the five bid cities. The host city selects the dates within that window."

    Source: http://www.speroforum.com/site/artic...idarticle=6101
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    Default Re: 2012 Olympics in London to clash with Ramadan

    and that is a problem... how?

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    Default Re: 2012 Olympics in London to clash with Ramadan

    Quote Originally Posted by jojomuniandy View Post
    and that is a problem... how?
    Muslims fast, i.e. abstain from food and drink during the daylight hours of Ramadan. Therefore it would be virtually impossible to engage in intensive sports when you can't even take on water.

    It does seem a little undersighted of the organisers considering the vast contingent of Muslim athletes.
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    Default Re: 2012 Olympics in London to clash with Ramadan

    Hopefully they will cancel it and give it to France.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTI View Post
    Muslims fast, i.e. abstain from food and drink during the daylight hours of Ramadan. Therefore it would be virtually impossible to engage in intensive sports when you can't even take on water.

    It does seem a little undersighted of the organisers considering the vast contingent of Muslim athletes.
    I know about Ramadan and fasting, but if we were to give in to one group of people, whats to stop the Census Jedis to say its thier month of reflection for Luke's training in Dagobah, and they cant do sports as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cronus71 View Post
    The president of the National Olympic Committee of Turkey, Togay Bayalti, said: "This will be difficult for Muslim athletes. They don't have to observe Ramadan if they are doing sport and travelling but they will have to decide whether it is important to them."It would be nice for the friendship of the Games if they had chosen a different date."
    It is all a question of priorities for those involved. Whatever is important to them will win out surely.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jojomuniandy View Post
    I know about Ramadan and fasting, but if we were to give in to one group of people, whats to stop the Census Jedis to say its thier month of reflection for Luke's training in Dagobah, and they cant do sports as well?
    We don't have the winter olympics over Christmas and the New Year. At the end of the day its not about giving in but a little goodwill and the Olympic spirit of inclusiveness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTI View Post
    At the end of the day its not about giving in but a little goodwill and the Olympic spirit of inclusiveness.
    There's no place for religion in sport. Ramadan is about as crazy as religion gets, starving yourself during daylight hours. Fuck me, if you decided to do that and not attach any religion to it they'd section you.

    Pure lunacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CzarJunkie View Post
    There's no place for religion in sport. Ramadan is about as crazy as religion gets, starving yourself during daylight hours. Fuck me, if you decided to do that and not attach any religion to it they'd section you.

    Pure lunacy.
    Well there is a place for religion in the olympics, you should read their charter. The olympics signifies something different to the rmajor sporting events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by partyman View Post
    Well there is a place for religion in the olympics, you should read their charter. The olympics signifies something different to the rmajor sporting events.
    It was a personal opinion, I don't care what their charter says. Competitive sport and religion are incompatible. Especially individual sports.

    Again, that's just my opinion.

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    Default Re: 2012 Olympics in London to clash with Ramadan

    Quote Originally Posted by CzarJunkie View Post
    There's no place for religion in sport. Ramadan is about as crazy as religion gets, starving yourself during daylight hours. Fuck me, if you decided to do that and not attach any religion to it they'd section you.

    Pure lunacy.
    The author of this article makes a pretty compelling argument "for" fasting.
    <CENTER>The Health Benefits of Fasting

    Will Carroll

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    There has been much contention in the scientific field about whether or not fasting is beneficial to one's health. Fasting is an integral part of many of the major religions including Islam, Judaism and Christianity. Many are dubious as to whether the physiological effects are as beneficial as the spiritual promoted by these religions. There is a significant community of alternative healers who believe that fasting can do wonders for the human body. This paper will look at the arguments presented by these healers in an attempt to raise awareness of the possible physiological benefits that may result from fasting.

    Fasting technically commences within the first twelve to twenty-four hours of the fast. A fast does not chemically begin until the carbohydrate stores in the body begin to be used as an energy source. The fast will continue as long as fat and carbohydrate stores are used for energy, as opposed to protein stores. Once protein stores begin to be depleted for energy (resulting in loss of muscle mass) a person is technically starving. (1)

    The benefits of fasting must be preceded by a look at the body's progression when deprived of food. Due to the lack of incoming energy, the body must turn to its own resources, a function called autolysis. (2) Autolysis is the breaking down of fat stores in the body in order to produce energy. The liver is in charge of converting the fats into a chemical called a ketone body, "the metabolic substances acetoacetic acid and beta-hydroxybutyric acid" (3), and then distributing these bodies throughout the body via the blood stream. "When this fat utilization occurs, free fatty acids are released into the blood stream and are used by the liver for energy." (3) The less one eats, the more the body turns to these stored fats and creates these ketone bodies, the accumulation of which is referred to as ketosis. (4)

    Detoxification is the foremost argument presented by advocates of fasting. "Detoxification is a normal body process of eliminating or neutralizing toxins through the colon, liver, kidneys, lungs, lymph glands, and skin." (5). This process is precipitated by fasting because when food is no longer entering the body, the body turns to fat reserves for energy. "Human fat is valued at 3,500 calories per pound," a number that would lead one to believe that surviving on one pound of fat every day would provide a body with enough energy to function normally. (2) These fat reserves were created when excess glucose and carbohydrates were not used for energy or growth, not excreted, and therefore converted into fat. When the fat reserves are used for energy during a fast, it releases the chemicals from the fatty acids into the system which are then eliminated through the aforementioned organs. Chemicals not found in food but absorbed from one's environment, such as DDT, are also stored in fat reserves that may be released during a fast. One fasting advocate tested his own urine, feces and sweat during an extended fast and found traces of DDT in each. (5)

    A second prescribed benefit of fasting is the healing process that begins in the body during a fast. During a fast energy is diverted away from the digestive system due to its lack of use and towards the metabolism and immune system. (6) The healing process during a fast is precipitated by the body's search for energy sources. Abnormal growths within the body, tumors and the like, do not have the full support of the body's supplies and therefore are more susceptible to autolysis. Furthermore, "production of protein for replacement of damaged cells (protein synthesis) occurs more efficiently because fewer 'mistakes' are made by the DNA/RNA genetic controls which govern this process." A higher efficiency in protein synthesis results in healthier cells, tissues and organs. (7) This is one reason that animals stop eating when they are wounded, and why humans lose hunger during influenza. Hunger has been proven absent in illnesses such as gastritis, tonsillitis and colds. (2) Therefore, when one is fasting, the person is consciously diverting energy from the digestive system to the immune system.

    In addition, there is a reduction in core body temperature. This is a direct result of the slower metabolic rate and general bodily functions. Following a drop in blood sugar level and using the reserves of glucose found in liver glycogen, the basal metabolic rate (BMR) is reduced in order to conserve as much energy within the body as can be provided. (2) Growth hormones are also released during a fast, due to the greater efficiency in hormone production. (7)

    Finally, the most scientifically proven advantage to fasting is the feeling of rejuvenation and extended life expectancy. Part of this phenomenon is caused by a number of the benefits mentioned above. A slower metabolic rate, more efficient protein production, an improved immune system, and the increased production of hormones contributes to this long-term benefit of fasting. In addition to the Human Growth Hormone that is released more frequently during a fast, an anti-aging hormone is also produced more efficiently. (7) "The only reliable way to extend the lifespan of a mammal is under-nutrition without malnutrition." (5) A study was performed on earthworms that demonstrated the extension of life due to fasting. The experiment was performed in the 1930s by isolating one worm and putting it on a cycle of fasting and feeding. The isolated worm outlasted its relatives by 19 generations, while still maintaining its youthful physiological traits. The worm was able to survive on its own tissue for months. Once the size of the worm began to decrease, the scientists would resume feeding it at which point it showed great vigor and energy. "The life-span extension of these worms was the equivalent of keeping a man alive for 600 to 700 years." (8)
    In conclusion, it seems that there are many reasons to consider fasting as a benefit to one's health. The body rids itself of the toxins that have built up in our fat stores throughout the years. The body heals itself, repairs all the damaged organs during a fast. And finally there is good evidence to show that regulated fasting contributes to longer life. However, many doctors warn against fasting for extended periods of time without supervision. There are still many doctors today who deny all of these points and claim that fasting is detrimental to one's health and have evidence to back their statements. The idea of depriving a body of what society has come to view as so essential to our survival in order to heal continues to be a topic of controversy.

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    Default Re: 2012 Olympics in London to clash with Ramadan

    If ketones aren't broken up correctly though it can lead to ketoacidosis in diabetics which isn't a good thing to have.


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    i dont get it..

    surely its ramadan no matter where the fuck they hold the olympics? why is their outcry about the london organisers fucking it up? would it be held over a different time period if it were move to a different location???

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    Default Re: 2012 Olympics in London to clash with Ramadan

    Quote Originally Posted by marcode View Post
    i dont get it..

    surely its ramadan no matter where the fuck they hold the olympics? why is their outcry about the london organisers fucking it up? would it be held over a different time period if it were move to a different location???
    No, but if it was the french or any other country they wouldnt give a shit. That's the difference
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    Default Re: 2012 Olympics in London to clash with Ramadan

    so why do they give a shit because its in london?

    the athletes would still be muslim even if it were in france....

    what a crock of shit.

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    Default Re: 2012 Olympics in London to clash with Ramadan

    Quote Originally Posted by marcode View Post
    i dont get it..

    surely its ramadan no matter where the fuck they hold the olympics? why is their outcry about the london organisers fucking it up? would it be held over a different time period if it were move to a different location???
    Good point, its actually the IOC who if anything are to blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTI View Post
    The author of this article makes a pretty compelling argument "for" fasting.
    Not really. Fasting in the religious sense is about deprivation and faith. It's got nothing to do with health.

    Depriving your body of both food and drink is dangerous and shouldn't be encouraged. Dehydration is especially dangerous.

    I can see the benefits of removing certain foods from your diet as you would during a detox regime and abstaining from alcohol etc. This makes perfect sense and we should all detox at least every 3 months to remove toxins from our bodies.

    But fasting for a month during daylight hours? Why only during daylight hours? And is the author trying to establish the possibility that the practice of religious fasting could be based on scientific principles?

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    Default Re: 2012 Olympics in London to clash with Ramadan

    surely stuffing yer hole as soon as the sun goes down isnt particularly healthy either..

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    Default Re: 2012 Olympics in London to clash with Ramadan

    Quote Originally Posted by marcode View Post
    i dont get it..

    surely its ramadan no matter where the fuck they hold the olympics? why is their outcry about the london organisers fucking it up? would it be held over a different time period if it were move to a different location???
    Ramadan moves every year, as does the olympics, have they clashed before in the last 30 years or so?

    For me this has nothing to do with wether fasting is right or not, but what the Olympics represents. Somebody will come out now saying that this is discrimination against muslims, which is against the olympic charter. (personally I think organised religion is total bollocks, although I *try* to respect it)
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    Default Re: 2012 Olympics in London to clash with Ramadan

    Quote Originally Posted by cronus71 View Post
    The most holy month in the Muslim calander, which will take place from the 21 July to 20 August in 2012, involves fasting during daylight hours and will affect an estimated 3,000 athletes.

    The games will run from the 27 July to 12 August to coincide with the British Summer holidays.

    The International Olympics Committee has specified that the games must take place between July 15 to August 31. Giselle Davies, IOC spokesperson said, "We give a window to the five bid cities. The host city selects the dates within that window."

    Source: http://www.speroforum.com/site/artic...idarticle=6101
    OK I don't get where they're complaining. so Ramadan runs until the 20th August, the games have to completed by the 31st according to IOC - therefore it won't fit.

    They're sheduled to run from the 27 July to 12 August which is 17 days - the only option I can think of which they would be looking for would be to start the games on the 15 July, stop on the 20th, then start again on the 21 August but it's still not sufficient time.

    My friends who are Muslim also say that if they are travelling away during Ramadan they are allowed to eat and drink - I guess it's all down to the individual cast but I've neve understood that!

    IOC would need to change their rules for this one.

    But then what happens when Ramadan clashes with the world cup, the PGA tour, the Euro finals, it shifts every year but that doesn't mean that everything else should have to stop for it - if the majority of athletes would be travelling then surely they could invoke that rule above?

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