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    Terror law plans to be unveiled

    The government says more time is needed to foil complex plots

    The government is pressing ahead with plans to allow the police to hold terrorism suspects for up to 42 days before they are charged.
    The Counter Terrorism Bill, due to be published later, will propose to extend the limit beyond the current 28 days.
    Some senior police officers support the move but it could be beaten by Lib Dem, Tory and rebel Labour MPs.
    Attempts to extend the limit to 90 days in 2005 ended in then prime minister Tony Blair's first Commons defeat.
    A survey by the Independent newspaper last month suggested 38 Labour MPs were against the 42-day plan, more than the 34 needed to defeat it.
    Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, mindful of a potential rebellion, has been meeting backbenchers to press her case.
    'Mass casualties'
    She told BBC Radio 4's Today programme there was "a consensus that we face a serious threat from terrorism".
    Ms Smith added: "It's growing in scale. It's becoming more complicated in nature. People need to intervene earlier because of the way in which it aims to cause mass casualties with no warning."
    She also said that "there may come a time in the future where having to release somebody at 28 days in a very complex investigation might mean that you are not able to go forward and charge them and bring them to prosecution".
    Asked whether she was proposing legislation to deal with a hypothetical situation, the home secretary replied: "We are putting in a provision for if it becomes unhypothetical."
    Prime Minister Gordon Brown has said he believes all parties accept there could be circumstances under which it is necessary to hold someone beyond 28 days - such as the complexities of investigating a multiple terrorist plot.
    The government says it is better to act now in a considered way rather than find itself forced to respond to a future emergency
    You could have someone locked up for that longer period of time and Parliament would only be able to decide on whether that was justified or not after that longer period of detention has already expired


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    Q&A: Anti-terror legislation


    But the Conservatives and civil rights group Liberty have argued that current powers to call a national emergency are sufficient when faced with a case that requires going beyond 28 days.
    And Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg has said his party will join forces with the Tories to defeat the move in the Lords, if they do not manage to overcome Labour's majority in the Commons.
    The Commons Home Affairs committee, and the Joint Committee on Human Rights (JCHR) comprising MPs and peers, have both come out against extending the terror limit.
    Parliament notified
    The JCHR said a pledge to allow the Commons and the Lords to approve any extension within 30 days would be "virtually useless as a safeguard".
    The delay would mean a suspect could end up being held for 42 days anyway, even if Parliament eventually voted against it.
    Mr Clegg added: "When you look at the detail...it leads to the absurd position that you could have someone locked up for that longer period of time and Parliament would only be able to decide on whether that was justified or not after that longer period of detention has already expired."
    An extension to 42 days would first have to be requested by a chief constable and a senior prosecutor - and would then be authorised by the home secretary.
    Parliament would be formally notified, but in practical terms any individual could be held for 42 days subject to approval of a senior judge.
    The Association of Chief Police Officers has pushed for an extension - saying more flexibility is needed.
    But others including England's top prosecutor Sir Ken MacDonald and former attorney general Lord Goldsmith have raised doubts about the need for an extension. Liberty director Shami Chakrabarti has also been meeting MPs - she says the government wants "an on-off button to intern suspects". Other measures likely to be in the bill include stiffer sentences for other crimes where terrorism is a factor and the creation of a new terrorist offenders' register - similar to the sex offenders' register - for those released from jail.



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    Default Re: Terror law plans to be unveiled

    They'll get that figure up to 90 days sooner or later. It seems to be the way with the government these days ... if you fail to get a motion passed, water it down then perform incremental updates over the space of a few years.
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    Default Re: Terror law plans to be unveiled

    Quote Originally Posted by RhinoBanga View Post
    They'll get that figure up to 90 days sooner or later. It seems to be the way with the government these days ... if you fail to get a motion passed, water it down then perform incremental updates over the space of a few years.
    apparantly this is the face of the mastermind of terror in the united kingdom:


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    Default Re: Terror law plans to be unveiled

    Sadly it seems the days of guilty until proved innocent are gradually dissappearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlover View Post
    Sadly it seems the days of guilty until proved innocent are gradually dissappearing.

    You got that arse about face ?
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    It's already virtually a crime just to not carry id (can be arrested under the pace act to confirm id). Now it's looking like you can serve a 3 month stretch and walk without a charge. Could carry on rambling but I think you get my point.

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    Default Re: Terror law plans to be unveiled

    Quote Originally Posted by 4me2
    You got that arse about face ?
    Actually after reading again I think you may have a point. Would've stuck this in an edit but my net's being a bit crap and I'm not seeing the buttons under each post.

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    Default Re: Terror law plans to be unveiled

    it just a load of bull sh*t
    the goverment will say anything on terrorism and people just follow like lap dogs
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    Bucket of wank. What a stupid fucking idea.

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