Liverpool fans at Emirates Stadium

**-G-Man-** · 3rd April 2008

i dont know if this is 100% fact and if it is not then i apologise, but if its true then its a disgrace.

Apparntly a large number of Liverpool fans attempted to, and some succeeded in, bunking into the stadium last night to watch the Champions League quter final. There is an electronic ticketing system at Arsenal which allows you into the ground once you have swiped your ticket. Apparntly Liverpool fans were wedging the turnstyles once open, and/or trying to get thru 2 at a time, meaning that for every ticket there were 2 people going thru. With the Liverpool fans standing up thru out the game, it made it hard for the stewards to eject the offenders.

as i said this isnt fact, but alot of people last night were calling radio stations about it. IF this story is true, than Liverpool fans should be ashamed. Espeically with what happened to them at Hilsborough. (and Liverpool fans MUST shoulder a large chunk of blame for that too)

A mate of mine (a Liverpool fan) was at the game in the Away section and said he noticed it was very crowded, but asumed that it was becuase seats at the Stadium were uncomfortably close to each other. He DIDNT see any of what has been claimed. he also doubts that it could have happended becuase of the high amount of stewards in the away section.

I just wondered if anyone else has heard anything about this?

**Justcracked** · 3rd April 2008

On Talk Sport it was reported that Liverpool Echo was reporting forged tickets

**B.I.G.** · 3rd April 2008

Just read that echo article if people where happily passing into the stadium with forged tickets it doesn't really say much for the fantastic "electronic ticketing system at Arsenal which allows you into the ground once you have swiped your ticket" does it?

You can understand being able to get into second rate european grounds with a fake ticket as was displayed in Greece last year but this shouldn't be happening at the state of the art Emirates stadium should it?

**Bulld0g1961** · 3rd April 2008

Originally Posted by -G-Man-

i IF this story is true, than Liverpool fans should be ashamed. Espeically with what happened to them at Hilsborough. (and Liverpool fans MUST shoulder a large chunk of blame for that too)

Who the fu(k do you think you are ?? What do you mean Liverpool fans MUST shoulder a large chunk of the blame for Hillsborough ?
How old are you ? were you there ? do you know anyone who was there or is this accusation soley from reading bullshit.
Have you heard of the Taylor report ? If not do a google and read it. People like you make me sick.
I was at Hillsborough i lost a good friend there and also Four other people who i knew well.I was carrying dead and injured people from one end of the ground to a makeshift morgue at the other end, whilst the police just formed a line accross the halfway line and stood and watched us.
The lies printed in the scum rag the Sun still carry weight 19 years on. The families of the dead never did get justice. Dead fans were found with tickets intact on them.
Duckensfield made a WRONG decision to open the gates, no stewards were in place to direct the fans into empty pens. Thats why Liverpool fans were crushed to death.

The fault lies with Sheffield Wednesday football club and South Yorkshire police along with the F.A. LIVERPOOL FANS WERE NOT TO BLAME.Not even a small portion of them. Alcohol did not play a part nor ticketless fans cause it.

I am sick and fu(kin tired of trying to educate ignorant people like yourself. My mate left behind a young wife and Two kids aged Six and Four. All's he done that day was to set off to watch his team in the semis of the fa cup. If it was not for the lying scum newspaper and the Twat in charge of the game tellinga pack of lies. I wouldn't be here nearly 20 years later trying to defend my mate, myself and others like us from the lies that are believed by people like you. read the report and find out the real TRUTH.

**BBK** · 3rd April 2008

For those who have never read the report, you can do so here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Report

In the meantime, I think we should all leave this thread well alone, someone is going to say something very, very stupid.

**the_wizzard** · 4th April 2008

ya its true a few fans bunked in ino cos one was in mine today (with arsenal cap on lol..he was in there end of ground so had to fit in

) this is a fanatical rednose who go's to every game and where he can he will bunk in (apparently he tell's me he loves goodison as its the easiest of all ) this guy had tickets to redshites cl cup final in turkey (yet still bunked in lmao) comparing it to somthing like what happened at hillsborough is a bit hash like.

play nice guys.

**B.I.G.** · 4th April 2008

Originally Posted by Bulld0g1961

Who the fu(k do you think you are ?? What do you mean Liverpool fans MUST shoulder a large chunk of the blame for Hillsborough ?
How old are you ? were you there ? do you know anyone who was there or is this accusation soley from reading bullshit.
Have you heard of the Taylor report ? If not do a google and read it. People like you make me sick.
I was at Hillsborough i lost a good friend there and also Four other people who i knew well.I was carrying dead and injured people from one end of the ground to a makeshift morgue at the other end, whilst the police just formed a line accross the halfway line and stood and watched us.
The lies printed in the scum rag the Sun still carry weight 19 years on. The families of the dead never did get justice. Dead fans were found with tickets intact on them.
Duckensfield made a WRONG decision to open the gates, no stewards were in place to direct the fans into empty pens. Thats why Liverpool fans were crushed to death.

The fault lies with Sheffield Wednesday football club and South Yorkshire police along with the F.A. LIVERPOOL FANS WERE NOT TO BLAME.Not even a small portion of them. Alcohol did not play a part nor ticketless fans cause it.

I am sick and fu(kin tired of trying to educate ignorant people like yourself. My mate left behind a young wife and Two kids aged Six and Four. All's he done that day was to set off to watch his team in the semis of the fa cup. If it was not for the lying scum newspaper and the Twat in charge of the game tellinga pack of lies. I wouldn't be here nearly 20 years later trying to defend my mate, myself and others like us from the lies that are believed by people like you. read the report and find out the real TRUTH.

Quite possibly the best single post i've ever read on here K+.

**Nikki** · 4th April 2008

keep it down. no need for insults etc........ else this thread will be closed. simple.

**marksup** · 4th April 2008

Two in "a click " will thats what it was called years ago has gone on for decads and still goes on evry were, so why pick on Liverpool fans, Dont tell me that if you could get away with out paying �30 + you would't try it . it was easyer years back when it was standing room only its a bit tricky now with all seated grounds. I have goten In to meany a ground in the eights this including wembly.

I wish I had read all the posts before replying what happed at Hillsborough has got nothink to do with the origanel post.
It was not the fans fault it was miss maneged and alot of people from were I live knew some one that died their or who can never go to a football ground again cos of it .

Edited after reading the rest

**malo** · 4th April 2008

Originally Posted by Bulld0g1961

Who the fu(k do you think you are ?? What do you mean Liverpool fans MUST shoulder a large chunk of the blame for Hillsborough ?
How old are you ? were you there ? do you know anyone who was there or is this accusation soley from reading bullshit.
Have you heard of the Taylor report ? If not do a google and read it. People like you make me sick.
I was at Hillsborough i lost a good friend there and also Four other people who i knew well.I was carrying dead and injured people from one end of the ground to a makeshift morgue at the other end, whilst the police just formed a line accross the halfway line and stood and watched us.
The lies printed in the scum rag the Sun still carry weight 19 years on. The families of the dead never did get justice. Dead fans were found with tickets intact on them.
Duckensfield made a WRONG decision to open the gates, no stewards were in place to direct the fans into empty pens. Thats why Liverpool fans were crushed to death.

The fault lies with Sheffield Wednesday football club and South Yorkshire police along with the F.A. LIVERPOOL FANS WERE NOT TO BLAME.Not even a small portion of them. Alcohol did not play a part nor ticketless fans cause it.

I am sick and fu(kin tired of trying to educate ignorant people like yourself. My mate left behind a young wife and Two kids aged Six and Four. All's he done that day was to set off to watch his team in the semis of the fa cup. If it was not for the lying scum newspaper and the Twat in charge of the game tellinga pack of lies. I wouldn't be here nearly 20 years later trying to defend my mate, myself and others like us from the lies that are believed by people like you. read the report and find out the real TRUTH.

What the Sun and Sheffield did was fucking disgusting, not helped by the attitude of the police that all supporters are scum. I can't imagine what the people there that day went through, and indeed still are. You keep on barking Bulldog....don't let anyone forget.

**Little John** · 4th April 2008

This is the problem with automated turnstiles, they are open to abuse like this.

I am a turnstile opperator at a premiership football ground one that uses an electronic ticketing system but the release of the turnstile is controled by me and no one doubles up or gets in without a ticket when I'm on. I'm not arsed about the club being ripped off, its more of the fact it is unfair on the fans that have paid their stupidly high ticket prices to get in to watch the game why should some tosser be in their without paying to be.

Liverpool fans are not the worst when it comes to trying to get in with out paying infact they don't normally try. The worst are Man City fans then Everton then United in my experiance. It is well known that a lot of the crowd at maine road hadnt paid to get in, City fans should have made olympic hurdlers the club tried putting boards over the turnstiles to recude the height over to stop people jumping over but the jumpers perfected the art of keeping their heads down like a hurdler they were experts at getting in without paying. I enjoy doing the visitors turnstiles we dont use electronic tickets on the away section just good old fashioned paper tickets and they work without problems.

I know people that work at Blackburn they have automated turnstiles aparently the turnstyles are waist height also and if anyone gets in without a ticket the turnstile people have no way other than the way they came in to get them out that is really bad. United their new system just doesnt work, tickets work twice if they work in the first place that is. most don't work and the opperators have been told to just let them in, now this is one of the biggest clubs in the world to addopt a shite system like that somthing is wrong. Educated tossers being sold somthing that doesnt actually work beleiveing the hype that this is the best thing since sliced bread and it clearly isnt.

When we got the electoronic system it is slower than the old paper ticket system but it has a huge benefit that stolen tickets can be canceled and no longer work, in the past we would need to check each ticket for its serial number if we were searching for stolen tickets.

As for Hilsbrough Im not saying a word

**-G-Man-** · 4th April 2008

Originally Posted by Bulld0g1961

?The fault lies with Sheffield Wednesday football club and South Yorkshire police along with the F.A. LIVERPOOL FANS WERE NOT TO BLAME..

Fella im sorry for your loss, and for anyone else that lost loved ones in the disaster. It was a tragic situation and one i hope never happens again. and not once did i say that all Liverpool were guilty. Ive read a fantastic book about it and also seen countless documentries on it. Does that make me an expert? No. But i am entitled to my opinion.

Its true the policing of the game at Hillsborugh was a disgrace but its still a fact that many liverpool fans in the ground that day DID NOT have tickets for the game. If they did not try break into a ground they had no right being in then maybe it could have been avoided. thats MY opinion.

My point was that Liverpool fans, of all people, should know what could happen with this sort of behaviour.

**gunner** · 4th April 2008

I was there, and sat above the away fans (I got some tickets from work) and must say I am not sure what people are going on about. It was generally a good atmosphere before and after the game, and the away fans section actually had some spare seats from what I saw.

**jacko1** · 4th April 2008

i heard a fella on the radio say that they had 3 turnstiles open for 3000 fans and this was the main cause of the problems,he also said due to the electronic entry system you cant get in with forged tickets,he had tickets and couldnt get in till after the 2 goals had been scored,i just wonder as all this shit been kicked up to cover arsenals deriliction of duty to visiting fans.

**showbiz-legend** · 5th April 2008

Make of this what you will..

http://icseftonandwestlancs.icnetwor...name_page.html

A DREAM trip to the quarter-finals of the Champions League quickly turned into a nightmare for a young football team from Skelmersdale.
The Arriva Youth under-15s had won a once-in-a-lifetime prize of free tickets to watch Liverpool�s clash with Arsenal last night (Wednesday).
But the evening soon turned sour when they were unceremoniously ejected from the Emirates Stadium.
Bizarrely seated amongst the hard-core element of Arsenal supporters, the football-mad youngsters were victims of a torrent of abuse from adult Gunner supporters.
As proud Liverpool fans, the under-15s celebrated Dirk Kuyt�s 26th minute equaliser, but they were soon turfed out.

Arsenal stewards escorted the boys, and the three adults accompanying them, from their seats and out of the ground.

Stranded outside in unfamiliar surroundings, the children and their guardians went looking for answers but were refused entry back into the stadium.

Ray Radford, manager of the U-15s, was furious at the way his team had been treated and demanded that his shocked players get back in to watch the game.

He said: "We were having a great day until Liverpool scored. We were seated smack bang in the lion�s den and were abused by grown men - men in suits.

"These weren�t louts. They started shouting at the lads as soon as they realised we were Scousers.

"They started shouting about Michael Shields and Heysel - it was pandemonium.

"After we�d celebrated Kuyt�s goal, we were spoken to by the stewards and told to leave the ground.

"Even though I explained to him that the lads were guests of UEFA, because of the competition win, they still chucked us out."

Left stricken outside the ground the lads, wearing special UEFA tracksuits given to them as prize winners, continued to be hurled with abuse from passing footy yobs.

Radford eventually managed to get hold of a female UEFA official but he says she was of little help.

Ray added: "The female UEFA official said we weren�t allowed back in the ground and just left us there.

"We eventually walked round to a part of the stadium we recognised and managed to talk to the UEFA project manager, a guy called Simon Calder.

"He apologised for what had happened saying it was 'unacceptable, appalling and totally unprofessional'.

"But he said that Arsenal were not going to allow us back in the ground.

"We were eventually granted access back to our mini-bus but were not allowed to leave the ground until 11pm.

"By this stage, the lads were very anxious, quiet and very, very scared.

"They were stressed and because we weren�t allowed back in the ground, we missed the rest of the game."

The Advertiser spoke to Ollie Tritton but he declined to comment. UEFA official Simon Calder was unavailable for comment.

**Little John** · 5th April 2008

The mistake with the kids tickets was down to UEFA, wtf were they thinking giving liverpool fans tickets for the home fans section of the ground. No matter who the teams are and at what level if your in the wrong section of the stadium you will get abuse from opposing fans. You then have to think about the 3 adults why did they not bring this up with the club's or UEFA before entering the ground they know its the home section so why did they go in? They were pretty stupid celebrateing the Liverpool goal, If I'm ever in the wrong end its a case of sit on your hands and keep your mouth shut, even on the turnsitles especailly in the away end you show no support for any team if you do you get abuse no mater who it is. and we do have some that support other local teams that work on the turnstiles.

The stewards are there to ensure the safety of everyone, if the Liverpool fans in the wrong section had been left there they would have been injured and it would have kicked off whats the alternative? kick out the Arsenal fans for being in the right. nahh that isnt going to happen.

They should contact UEFA and requst tickets for another game in the correct section of the ground.

As for the bit about 3000 fans and 3 turnstiles that is totally screwed up. 500 people through 1 turnstile is really the limit. We open 90 minutes before the game on afternoon kick off and 60 for evening kick offs. no one turns until about 45 minutes before on an afternoon kick off maybe 30 people before that. And your looking at 65% of your final figure will turn up in the last 20 minutes that is when the rush hits. about 4 minutes before kick off everything dies and you just get the odd person comming in then but for there to be only 3 for soo many it isnt going to happen. I find that claim dificult to beleive. I would expect 2 blocks of 3 for so many.

Electronic ticketing doesnt work 100% so for Arsenal to claim it is impossible for fakes to work is a lie. Arsenal tickets do use some electronic device in them but the machines read a barcode, Im not sure exactly what is used to validate entry.

**WalterPill** · 5th April 2008

Originally Posted by showbiz-legend

Make of this what you will..

http://icseftonandwestlancs.icnetwor...name_page.html

A DREAM trip to the quarter-finals of the Champions League quickly turned into a nightmare for a young football team from Skelmersdale.
The Arriva Youth under-15s had won a once-in-a-lifetime prize of free tickets to watch Liverpool�s clash with Arsenal last night (Wednesday).
But the evening soon turned sour when they were unceremoniously ejected from the Emirates Stadium.
Bizarrely seated amongst the hard-core element of Arsenal supporters, the football-mad youngsters were victims of a torrent of abuse from adult Gunner supporters.
As proud Liverpool fans, the under-15s celebrated Dirk Kuyt�s 26th minute equaliser, but they were soon turfed out.

Arsenal stewards escorted the boys, and the three adults accompanying them, from their seats and out of the ground.

Stranded outside in unfamiliar surroundings, the children and their guardians went looking for answers but were refused entry back into the stadium.

Ray Radford, manager of the U-15s, was furious at the way his team had been treated and demanded that his shocked players get back in to watch the game.

He said: "We were having a great day until Liverpool scored. We were seated smack bang in the lion�s den and were abused by grown men - men in suits.

"These weren�t louts. They started shouting at the lads as soon as they realised we were Scousers.

"They started shouting about Michael Shields and Heysel - it was pandemonium.

"After we�d celebrated Kuyt�s goal, we were spoken to by the stewards and told to leave the ground.

"Even though I explained to him that the lads were guests of UEFA, because of the competition win, they still chucked us out."

Left stricken outside the ground the lads, wearing special UEFA tracksuits given to them as prize winners, continued to be hurled with abuse from passing footy yobs.