New Feedback Rules - Good thing in my opinion.

[tips]

What do you think. Just went to leave feedback for something I bought and the following popped up:

Important changes to Feedback
Buyers, you can no longer receive negative or neutral Feedback from sellers.

* You should leave honest and accurate Feedback without the fear of receiving negative or neutral ratings.

Looks like a change for the better in my opinion.

[tombott]

I think its awful.
It opens the door for a shed load of buyers being able to screw a seller over.
I for one have not sold a thing since the changes came into effect, and am seriously considering if I ever will again.

[Delboy_1976]

Fair point but it has always p1ssed me off that if I buy something from someone they will not give me feedback until I have left them feedback, this is just wrong. If I pay straight after the auction closes with Paypal then I have done my bit and deserve positive feedback as I have fulfilled my obligations.

Leaving someone negative feedback purely because they did to you negates the whole point of having a feedback system IMO.

[ant3b]

i find it a bit confusing?? why cant i post bad feedback? if they are generally bad?

[CzarJunkie]

Depends if you are a seller or a buyer. As a seller I'd be fucked off, as a buyer I'm not really arsed, but I can understand how some would be pleased.

It allows buyers to leave neg feedback without the prospect of reprisals from the seller, however, ebay has it's fair share of fuckwits who will see this as an opportunity to leave neg feedback even if the sale goes relatively smoothly. In my eyes it leaves absolutley no margin for error on the part of the seller as the buyer will have no qualms about leaving neg feedback. For that reason I believe it's a bad idea.

[crazyadi]

i agree del boy

the point of feedback is to establish the credentials of the buyer/seller

if the buyer pays immediatelt etc etc then the feedback should be left at that point because that is what the feedback is about!

if the seller sends stuff and all ok then fine they get good feedback!

its dead simple if sellers dont want bad feedback then dont be bastards! play the game properly! if i buy a ps3 and it states working order but doesnt work on arrival they get bad feedback! end off!!

that said i do understand the concerns of the sellers to some degree. but i believe that they can still make comments on neg feedback left, so it will be upto the punters to decide what to think! maybe they should have made it that after an item has been paid for then the seller must leave feedback on the buyer whitin 48 hours.

this whole thing of sellers not leaving feedback until the buyer has!! its stinks and is wrong the seller should have to leave feedback first! non of this i want to see what you write first!

crazy

[Mule]

If I pay straight after the auction closes with Paypal then I have done my bit and deserve positive feedback as I have fulfilled my obligations.

Have you? What if something happens like the item gets lost in the post? or you aren't happy with the item when you receive it? In instances such as these the transaction is not over and your obligations are then to sort the problem out with the dealer in a fair and reasonable manner.

The reason people do not always leave positive feedback as soon as payment is received is because if something does go wrong the seller would like the oppurtunity to resolve the issue before they are given negative feedback with no recourse.

As both a seller and buyer I think it's terrible and really leaves the system open to abuse. The best thing they could have done was switch to the system yahoo auctions had where you could change your feedback at any time.

[tips]

Surely it is a good thing.

If a buyer decides he is going to keep leaving negative feedback. Then as a seller I would block this bidder (or remove his bids). Therefore he or she will be Royally pissed off when that item they really really REALLY want to buy slips by. Purely because they had been a (unt and abused the feedback system.

Surely this will deter folks from "habitually" leaving negative feedback?

I have done the above using the original system to protect myself from "unfair eBayers". And I will continue to do so, I am never that desperate for a sale that I will sell to absolutely anyone.

[Mule]

That only works if the buyer only wants to buy from 1 seller, which in the vast majority of cases doesn't happen. If a seller blocks a buyer because he's been a cunt chances are they weren't ever going to deal with them again anyway.

[tips]

That only works if the buyer only wants to buy from 1 seller, which in the vast majority of cases doesn't happen. If a seller blocks a buyer because he's been a (unt chances are they weren't ever going to deal with them again anyway.

You misunderstand me.

example: I had a car for sale the other week. Someone bid, I checked his feedback, didn't like it. Removed his bid and blocked him from bidding. He had never bought off me before. I just checked his feedback and didn't want to sell to him. And that wasn't an isolated incident. I beleive on eBay it is possible to choose who you want to sell to. There will always be another punter willing to buy your goods.

That's all that needs to be done. It will soon stop em acting the (unt.

[tombott]

Have you? What if something happens like the item gets lost in the post? or you aren't happy with the item when you receive it? In instances such as these the transaction is not over and your obligations are then to sort the problem out with the dealer in a fair and reasonable manner.

The reason people do not always leave positive feedback as soon as payment is received is because if something does go wrong the seller would like the oppurtunity to resolve the issue before they are given negative feedback with no recourse.

As both a seller and buyer I think it's terrible and really leaves the system open to abuse. The best thing they could have done was switch to the system yahoo auctions had where you could change your feedback at any time.

You've hit the nail on the head.

I have had plenty of buyers negative feedback me after receiving goods without any problems, then saying they withdraw feedback if I issue a partial refund.

Feedback should be a two way street, I know some sellers are cunts over it with the whole threats of negative, but it goes both ways.

[tombott]

You misunderstand me.

example: I had a car for sale the other week. Someone bid, I checked his feedback, didn't like it. Removed his bid and blocked him from bidding. He had never bought off me before. I just checked his feedback and didn't want to sell to him. And that wasn't an isolated incident. I beleive on eBay it is possible to choose who you want to sell to. There will alwyas be another punter willing to buy your goods.

That's all that needs to be done. It will soon stop em acting the (unt.

erm , what about buy now auctions?

[Mule]

You misunderstand me.

I had a car for sale the other week. Someone bid, I checked his feedback, didn't like it. Removed his bid and blocked him from bidding. He had never bought off me before. I just checked his feedback and didn't want to sell to him. And that wasn't an isolated incident. I beleive on eBay it is possible to choose who you want to sell to. There will alwyas be another punter willing to buy your goods.

That's all that needs to be done. It will soon stop em acting the (unt.

So you're saying that sellers should check the feedback of all the bidders of all their items? Even if that wasn't massively time consuming it wouldn't stop last minute bidders or people selling items on buy it now.

[tips]

erm , what about buy now auctions?

OK, I accept on a Buy-it now you cannot do this. I am being selfish here I suppose as don't use Buy-It now when selling.

So you're saying that sellers should check the feedback of all the bidders of all their items? Even if that wasn't massively time consuming it wouldn't stop last minute bidders or people selling items on buy it now.

It may just be me but I do it all the time as I don't want to be messed about. Each to their own I suppose. As above I accept with Buy-it now my system wouldn't be worth a carrot. But hey, im alright jack as I don't use that option.

Surely common sense should prevail. I haven't sold a great deal of items (100+) but I don't have a single negative feedback (I have one Neutral). Nor have I ever left one. Maybe I am lucky or maybe my system works well for me.

[tombott]

I've been selling on ebay for years, and think this is one of the shitest changes they have ever made.
I've not sold one thing since they made this change, and don't know if I will ever again.
One good change though was getting rid of Digital Delivery / ebook etc from the UK site.

[tips]

I've been selling on ebay for years, and think this is one of the shitest changes they have ever made.
I've not sold one thing since they made this change, and don't know if I will ever again.
One good change though was getting rid of Digital Delivery / ebook etc from the UK site.

I can't understand that at all Tom. If what you are selling is as described and you have good communication with the buyer why be afraid of any adverse feedback?

[grint]

Seems the buyer (as it should be) holds the majority vote.

Although UKinfo allows you to track the (unts down and egg their house.

If I do sell though, I watch in anticipation of a Nigerian until the last 2 seconds.

[Spennyboy]

I've been selling on ebay for years, and think this is one of the shitest changes they have ever made.
I've not sold one thing since they made this change, and don't know if I will ever again.
One good change though was getting rid of Digital Delivery / ebook etc from the UK site.

Didnt they ban you for that once upon a time?

Or was it audio books?

Potter springs to mind

[tombott]

I can't understand that at all Tom. If what you are selling is as described and you have good communication with the buyer why be afraid of any adverse feedback?

Because people are dicks mate, seriously there are some proper toss pots out there.
When you sell a lot on ebay you find that out the hard way.
I've had people really fuck me over.

[tombott]

Didnt they ban you for that once upon a time?

Or was it audio books?

Potter springs to mind

Yes I admit that was back in the day, I've moved on though. And to be fair I never got a neg feedback on that.
I don't sell dodgy stuff anymore, it's not big and it's not clever and I sure as hell don't want to hear the words 'Blood on my knife or shit on my tool, what's it gonna be white boy' whispered in my ears whilst i bend down to pick up the soap in the State Pen.