New Feedback Rules - Good thing in my opinion.

[tips]

Because people are dicks mate, seriously there are some proper toss pots out there.
When you sell a lot on ebay you find that out the hard way.
I've had people really fu(k me over.

I wouldn't disagree with you on that mate. But I can't help but think with a bit of "rooting around" when folks are bidding you can get a good idea if they a "good sort" or a "dick sort". I hold my hands up if you are selling stacks of stuff it would be nie on impossible to do and absolutely impossible on Buy-it nows.

I concede it's a bad thing for you. But for me I welcome it.

EDIT: Until some (unt slips thru the net and Negs me for no reason other than they didn't like the Poundland Sellotape I had used to package their goods. Then I gonna denounce the system double shit.

[ant3b]

Ive started selling the odd thing on ebay usually clothes and electronic gear which are used!! for the perverts.. but i got fucked over by someone when the original xbox came out.. i bought it and the guy never sent it and i could do ntohing about it...

[tombott]

I wouldn't disagree with you on that mate. But I can't help but think with a bit of "rooting around" when folks are bidding you can get a good idea if they a "good sort" or a "dick sort". I hold my hands up if you are selling stacks of stuff it would be nie on impossible to do and absolutely impossible on Buy-it nows.

I concede it's a bad thing for you. But for me I welcome it.

Yeah I can see how its good for the Buyer, but it's one thing that has always pissed me off.
I've had people leave negative feedback 1 hour after an auction end!
It's usually the Yanks as well, it even warns you when leaving negative about wiating up to 2 weeks!

[Delboy_1976]

Have you? What if something happens like the item gets lost in the post? or you aren't happy with the item when you receive it? In instances such as these the transaction is not over and your obligations are then to sort the problem out with the dealer in a fair and reasonable manner.

The reason people do not always leave positive feedback as soon as payment is received is because if something does go wrong the seller would like the oppurtunity to resolve the issue before they are given negative feedback with no recourse.

As both a seller and buyer I think it's terrible and really leaves the system open to abuse. The best thing they could have done was switch to the system yahoo auctions had where you could change your feedback at any time.

Yeah I believe I have!! The situations you described are perfect examples of what the Dispute Console is for.

Without meaning to sound harsh to the seller if the item goes missing in the post then this is not my fault, they were the one who entered into a contract with the courier so they should sort it out between them and either give me the item I purchased or give me a refund.

I do agree with you that there will be buyers out there that will try and take the p1ss, but there are plenty of sellers who will do the same by blackmailing you in to giving them positive feedback no matter what type of service they provided you with.

[Mule]

If an item is damaged in the post then the assistance of the buyer is required in order to obtain compensation from the carrier.

If the buyers response to this is "I'm not helping you, it's your problem" then the buyer is a cunt and deserves negative feedback to warn people they deal with in future.

If the buyer doesn't read the item description properly and doesn't receive exactly what they were expecting do you think the seller should then say "not my problem, you bought the item as described, tough shit." or should they try and resolve the problem so that both parties are happy?

[B B Leo]

theres going to be a right few scams on the go now

[braymond]

Because people are dicks mate, seriously there are some proper toss pots out there.
When you sell a lot on ebay you find that out the hard way.
I've had people really fu(k me over.

totally agree mate, used to do a lot of business on ebay.
anyone who has sold in volume on ebay will have been fucked over
there are as many dodgy buyers out there as sellers, if not more
i too have been shafted and rarely touch ebay now

[flumperino]

Just to echo what's already been said, buyers can be complete idiots if they want, and now have the option to leave bad feedback for spurious reasons. As a seller, leaving feedback for a buyer is a reflection of the whole transaction, and not just how quickly payment is sent - I've dealt with plenty of buyers who have been complete fuds, and deserved bad feedback.

In other feedback news, in your profile you have a feedback percentage based on the last 12 months activity - this now treats neutrals as negatives.

[Over Carl]

If an item is damaged in the post then the assistance of the buyer is required in order to obtain compensation from the carrier.

If the buyers response to this is "I'm not helping you, it's your problem" then the buyer is a (unt and deserves negative feedback to warn people they deal with in future.

Thing is egay's rules say buyer is liable for cost of return when the laws of our country state it should be the sender. I could knowingly try it on and post you some crap, then you have to pay for return postage with ebay rules. I wonder how many low value items don't get refunded as it's not worth the bother, it's happened to me a couple of times.

I bet with these new changes, many sellers won't bother leaving feedback any more out of protest, leaving honest ebayers finding it harder to build their score.

Imho a seller should have 7 days after receving payment to make feedback, good or bad. Any longer and account is locked until feedback is made. Then the buyer should be given one month from date of item being posted otherwise that account should be also locked.

[crazyadi]

I know some sellers are (unts over it with the whole threats of negative, but it goes both ways.

thats was the problem with the system it wasnt some sellers it got to be all sellers! in that they would not ever leave feedback until the buyer had done first! it didnt go both ways! it was weighed to much in favour of the seller! so they could use threats of -ve.

MULE i hear what you say but if after the sale has gone for two weeks and no mention of a refund what is to stop the seller leaving postitive then, clearly the deal is done and all parties are happy! but still the seller wants the feedback first!

and yes i have done both! but primarily my GF sells lots of stuff so i do see it from both sides!!!

[Delboy_1976]

If an item is damaged in the post then the assistance of the buyer is required in order to obtain compensation from the carrier.

If the buyers response to this is "I'm not helping you, it's your problem" then the buyer is a (unt and deserves negative feedback to warn people they deal with in future.

If the buyer doesn't read the item description properly and doesn't receive exactly what they were expecting do you think the seller should then say "not my problem, you bought the item as described, tough shit." or should they try and resolve the problem so that both parties are happy?

I agree that if an item turns up damaged then the buyer would be an idiot not to assist the seller to get the matter resolved.

Also, your last comment is also true and if people don't read the description properly then that is their problem.

However, my point is that before these changes were made the seller was under no pressure to help you resolve the matter as they knew many people wouldn't leave them negative feedback as they didn't want it themselves.

[blaggard]

I'm with Tombott on this, the wrong solution to the problem!
All they had to do was require the seller to leave feed back first!

[Mule]

I'm with Tombott on this, the wrong solution to the problem!
All they had to do was require the seller to leave feed back first!

That would be a much better solution.

[urbsy]

As a seller I always wait till the other party have left feedback purely as a tool to know they are happy with the product and it actually arrived, I assumed this was the norm tbh.

[Spennyboy]

on a slightly different note.

I sent a e-cheque to some seller for a ps3 game, was happy to wait for it to clear till they post.

Item turns up the next day - result me thinks

Get an email from them today asking me to cancel the payment and try resending because its taking ages to clear!

shocking really, means they posting out before even checking the funds properly.

[blaggard]

As a seller I always wait till the other party have left feedback purely as a tool to know they are happy with the product and it actually arrived, I assumed this was the norm tbh.

Absolutely the exception these days

[greens117]

I just went to leave feedback for a stupid ebay wanker for leaving me neg and i cant !!
He even sent me a email saying you have just lost your 100%
all because i would not take his cheuqe because it cost me money if it bounces and i stipulated pay with paypal grrr
im not happy i fucking hate ebay i will never use it again they seem to just do what they want !!!

ps i got around the system i just left the prick positive saying don't deal with this pick !!

[blaggard]

I just went to leave feedback for a stupid ebay wanker for leaving me neg and i cant !!
He even sent me a email saying you have just lost your 100%
all because i would not take his cheuqe because it cost me money if it bounces and i stipulated pay with paypal grrr
im not happy i fu(king hate ebay i will never use it again they seem to just do what they want !!!

ps i got around the system i just left the prick positive saying don't deal with this pick !!

Before you spat the dummy you should have tried reporting him, they can see from the messages just what went on. At least give them a chance burning your bridges.
He was an arse for wanting to pay by cheque but provided you don't send the goods without cleared funds it's an inconvenience at worst

[greens117]

Like i said in my post it cost me money if a cheque bounces so i was not prepared to do that !
trust me ebay makes me spit more than my dummy out maybe a molotov cocktail .

[blaggard]

He's not going to send you a rubber cheque if he knows you won't send the goods until cleared, what would he gain?? this way only you lose since I doubt he cares about his ebay rep.