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    Default An invention that could change the internet for ever?

    An invention that could change the internet for ever

    Revolutionary new web software could put giants such as Google in the shade when it comes out later this month. Andrew Johnson reports




    The biggest internet revolution for a generation will be unveiled this month with the launch of software that will understand questions and give specific, tailored answers in a way that the web has never managed before.


    The new system, Wolfram Alpha, showcased at Harvard University in the US last week, takes the first step towards what many consider to be the internet's Holy Grail – a global store of information that understands and responds to ordinary language in the same way a person does.
    Although the system is still new, it has already produced massive interest and excitement among technology pundits and internet watchers.
    Computer experts believe the new search engine will be an evolutionary leap in the development of the internet. Nova Spivack, an internet and computer expert, said that Wolfram Alpha could prove just as important as Google. "It is really impressive and significant," he wrote. "In fact it may be as important for the web (and the world) as Google, but for a different purpose.
    Tom Simpson, of the blog Convergenceofeverything.com, said: "What are the wider implications exactly? A new paradigm for using computers and the web? Probably. Emerging artificial intelligence and a step towards a self-organising internet? Possibly... I think this could be big."
    Wolfram Alpha will not only give a straight answer to questions such as "how high is Mount Everest?", but it will also produce a neat page of related information – all properly sourced – such as geographical location and nearby towns, and other mountains, complete with graphs and charts.
    The real innovation, however, is in its ability to work things out "on the fly", according to its British inventor, Dr Stephen Wolfram. If you ask it to compare the height of Mount Everest to the length of the Golden Gate Bridge, it will tell you. Or ask what the weather was like in London on the day John F Kennedy was assassinated, it will cross-check and provide the answer. Ask it about D sharp major, it will play the scale. Type in "10 flips for four heads" and it will guess that you need to know the probability of coin-tossing. If you want to know when the next solar eclipse over Chicago is, or the exact current location of the International Space Station, it can work it out.
    Dr Wolfram, an award-winning physicist who is based in America, added that the information is "curated", meaning it is assessed first by experts. This means that the weaknesses of sites such as Wikipedia, where doubts are cast on the information because anyone can contribute, are taken out. It is based on his best-selling Mathematica software, a standard tool for scientists, engineers and academics for crunching complex maths.
    "I've wanted to make the knowledge we've accumulated in our civilisation computable," he said last week. "I was not sure it was possible. I'm a little surprised it worked out so well."
    Dr Wolfram, 49, who was educated at Eton and had completed his PhD in particle physics by the time he was 20, added that the launch of Wolfram Alpha later this month would be just the beginning of the project.
    "It will understand what you are talking about," he said. "We are just at the beginning. I think we've got a reasonable start on 90 per cent of the shelves in a typical reference library."
    The engine, which will be free to use, works by drawing on the knowledge on the internet, as well as private databases. Dr Wolfram said he expected that about 1,000 people would be needed to keep its databases updated with the latest discoveries and information.
    He also added that he would not go down the road of storing information on ordinary people, although he was aware that others might use the technology to do so.
    Wolfram Alpha has been designed with professionals and academics in mind, so its grasp of popular culture is, at the moment, comparatively poor. The term "50 Cent" caused "absolute horror" in tests, for example, because it confused a discussion on currency with the American rap artist. For this reason alone it is unlikely to provide an immediate threat to Google, which is working on a similar type of search engine, a version of which it launched last week.
    "We have a certain amount of popular culture information," Dr Wolfram said. "In some senses popular culture information is much more shallowly computable, so we can find out who's related to who and how tall people are. I fully expect we will have lots of popular culture information. There are linguistic horrors because if you put in books and music a lot of the names clash with other concepts."
    He added that to help with that Wolfram Alpha would be using Wikipedia's popularity index to decide what users were likely to be interested in.
    With Google now one of the world's top brands, worth $100bn, Wolfram Alpha has the potential to become one of the biggest names on the planet.
    Dr Wolfram, however, did not rule out working with Google in the future, as well as Wikipedia. "We're working to partner with all possible organisations that make sense," he said. "Search, narrative, news are complementary to what we have. Hopefully there will be some great synergies."
    What the experts say
    "For those of us tired of hundreds of pages of results that do not really have a lot to do with what we are trying to find out, Wolfram Alpha may be what we have been waiting for."
    Michael W Jones, Tech.blorge.com
    "If it is not gobbled up by one of the industry superpowers, his company may well grow to become one of them in a small number of years, with most of us setting our default browser to be Wolfram Alpha."
    Doug Lenat, Semanticuniverse.com
    "It's like plugging into an electric brain."
    Matt Marshall, Venturebeat.com
    "This is like a Holy Grail... the ability to look inside data sources that can't easily be crawled and provide answers from them."
    Danny Sullivan, editor-in-chief of searchengineland.com
    Worldwide network: A brief history of the internet
    1969 The internet is created by the US Department of Defense with the networking of computers at UCLA and the Stanford Research Institute.
    1979 The British Post Office uses the technology to create the first international computer networks.
    1980 Bill Gates's deal to put a Microsoft Operating System on IBM's computers paves the way for almost universal computer ownership.
    1984 Apple launches the first successful 'modern' computer interface using graphics to represent files and folders, drop-down menus and, crucially, mouse control.
    1989 Tim Berners-Lee creates the world wide web – using browsers, pages and links to make communication on the internet simple.
    1996 Google begins as a research project at Stanford University. The company is formally founded two years later by Sergey Brin and Larry Page.
    2009 Dr Stephen Wolfram launches Wolfram Alpha.


    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...r-1678109.html


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    Default Re: An invention that could change the internet for ever?

    Last weekend, we attended a web demo of Wolfram Alpha, a new "computational knowledge engine" based on the work of Stephen Wolfram. Some have dubbed Alpha a "Google killer," but, in reality, it is very different from the standard search engines that we are all familiar with today. When we got the demo, Wolfram asked us to refrain from publishing any screenshots. Today, however, the Berkman Center YouTube - A Sneak Preview of Wolfram|Alphaof the public demo Wolfram gave earlier this week, so we think it's only fair that we share our own screenshots with our readers at this point.
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    Query #1: internet users in Europe

    Query #2: weather oakland

    Query #3: oakland

    Query #4: uncle's uncle's brother's son

    Query #5: water 550C 3 atm

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    Here is the video of the public demo at the Berkman Center. It is a bit blurry, but it does show Wolfram Alpha in action:


    http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives...creenshots.php


    Their site is here.


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    Default Re: An invention that could change the internet for ever?

    Seems pretty good, the bloke in the video must have said "uh & um" a thousand times lol.
    I wonder if it's that clever that it knows where Elvis is though.
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    Default Re: An invention that could change the internet for ever?

    been reading about this over the past couple weeks.

    dunno how great of a true search engine it will be in terms of finding stuff. looks more useful for research and/or data analysis/comparisons. good for data.. not too hot for finding shit.

    i dont think it would take google a great deal of time to replicate whatever type of functionality wolfram are claiming though.

    still a bit vapourware atm, but hopefully theyll make it public soon so we can have a shufty.

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    Default Re: An invention that could change the internet for ever?

    Google can't be far off with their offering and that will be the true test of how this stands up to their might.


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    Default Re: An invention that could change the internet for ever?

    Sounds very tasty. However, am I wrong in that all it seems to provide is an easier way to search for info? Will be of limited use in just a raw answer format as I'm guessing most people studying serious stuff will like references, and I'm guessing most of us won't trust one single source when finding out something whilst will using this site make us?

    Personally as much as it looks sweet, I wouldn't give it the same significance as the creation of google.

    The next thing I can think of that deserves that kind of status will be when we can search for say a photo of a black cat, and the search engine finds one by looking at the pictures rather than keywords, or the same with audio - being able to search for a tune with a few keywords, with a guitar and bit that goes like......

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    Default Re: An invention that could change the internet for ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Over carl View Post
    Personally as much as it looks sweet, I wouldn't give it the same significance as the creation of google.
    I agree with you, but it's definitely very interesting

    Quote Originally Posted by Over carl View Post
    The next thing I can think of that deserves that kind of status will be when we can search for say a photo of a black cat, and the search engine finds one by looking at the pictures rather than keywords
    Take a look at this http://similar-images.googlelabs.com/
    Chances are, if you've thought of it, Google are working on it !
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    Default Re: An invention that could change the internet for ever?

    Wolfram Alpha is now up and running.


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    Default Re: An invention that could change the internet for ever?

    Very interesting development. It's more a fact finding tool than Google but still useful.

    Google tested Google squared last week which was a bit similar, it produces spreadsheets / tables of answers rather than search results, be interesting to try that as well.

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    Default Re: An invention that could change the internet for ever?

    Try putting digital forums into it......

    I can see it's useful for gathering facts in one place.. but not really the google replacement as it's being billed.

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    Default Re: An invention that could change the internet for ever?

    It's shit....it's just a search engine for another wikipedia. Well it's not actually shit, but it's a shit search engine.

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    Default Re: An invention that could change the internet for ever?

    its not a search engine for wikipedia. where did you get that idea from?

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    Default Re: An invention that could change the internet for ever?

    Sorry. it's like a search engine producing the same results as you would find on wiki.

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    Default Re: An invention that could change the internet for ever?

    Installed this the other day and it was an absolute cunt to uninstall again.
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    Default Re: An invention that could change the internet for ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4me2 View Post
    Installed this the other day and it was an absolute cunt to uninstall again.
    buhahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa. tit.

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