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    And Another..... (yes they're at it again)

    all names and places removed for certain reasons (location) but this story is the top story on our local paper this week and i quote it to you so that those who constantly say we arent like that can have another chance to say the same.

    The xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Reporter

    Teenager shot in 'racist' attack

    A teenage boy was shot in what was believed to have been a racialy motivated attack.

    Nicholas xxxxxxxxxxx, 15, was playing with friends on the sports field opposite xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx hospital on sunday evening when he was confronted by four Asian youths.

    One, aged about 16 shouted racial abuse then shot him from twenty meters away.

    Nicholas, of xxxxxxxxxxxxx crescent, xxxxxxxxx, said "I didn't think he would shoot. I didn't believe it was loaded, then the gun clicked and the bullet went straight in."

    "It had gone through my t-shirt and straight into my hip bone. it was pouring with blood."

    Nicholas's brother, 13 year old xxxxx, said later that night the same youth aimed a gun at him while he was playing in the feild.

    ....... (removed 2 paras of mothers comments not relevent, just comments on "Asian gangs" - meaning moslem gangs of course).....

    Det insp xxxxxxx xxxxxx of xxxxxxx police, said: "if the family percieve it was a racially motivated attack then it will be dealt with as a racialy motivated attack," he said

    "We are taking this matter seriously.

    "inquiries are ongoing and there are a number of active lines of inquiry that will be persued."

    The youth they suspect of firing the gun is slim, with dark curtain style hair and wore a navy new york yankees baseball cap and a black "Gap" hooded top.

    Nicholas was taken to the xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx hospital's accident and emergency department on the back of a friends bike at around 8pm (its only across the road from the playing field) and his dad xxxxxxxx rushed to his bedside. A specialist was callled in to remove the bullet on monday morning. (sound like the nhs)

    Nicholas, a pupil at xxxxxxxxxxxxxx high school had to miss the first few days of the new school year because he was still recovering from surgery.

    This is the reality of living in an area that has a moslem majority, this is real life, this is how the peace loving moslems behave when they have the majority.

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    im all for living in harmony together,but im afraid we need to(the longstanding occupants of this great island) start reclaiming some land? i saw a prog on telly tonight,well some of it but in one part the reporter said they dont like cameras around here??? wtf? asian comm,and ment it. im not havin it moslems livin in our land with there own bit of land which we cant tread on?? ive seen it in blackburn,burnley,ect we really do need to get a grip now and i dont mean moslem bashing(though in some cases it may be warranted) cos it just cannot be allowed, remember all these small communities are tight knit and like to keep with there own? how long will it take for em to become a majority in our land?? let me also say how come they always want the daughters to marry there own? but the lads are always with the usual white trash and treat em so. and i have seen this,i did live in ,well ive been around.


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    but that was my whole point booboo, this happened in a white area (apart from the maternity unit at the hospital) they are not satisfied with turning their own areas into slums, they want to get rid of all the non moslems from the whole town, the moslem gang violence is getting worse as they get larger numbers and its never going to improve unless they are completely removed.

    its headlines like these that attract the attention of the far right they come in and cause no trouble (too few of them) but the moslems protest like mad, for once it would be nice if instead of allowing the racists (moslems) to protest the police just stopped them from coming into the town center so that the white townspeople could hear what the far right had to say (not saying i'd agree with them, but freedom of speech should be allowed.

    Its about time that the whites in these towns got themselves organised to fight back against this scum, i'm not suggesting guns but certainly if the non moslems got enough numbers together then maybe we could go into the moslem areas and give a few a little taste of what they and their gangs like to give out, maybe if they were getting the same treatment as they like to give out it would make them think twice and maybe make this laughably called "peace loving community" actualy behave in some sort of civilised manner, because untill then just like in the wide world, the moslems will continue their attacks on small numbers and individuals then scream blue murder if anyone dares to say that their behaviour (terrorism) is unacceptable.

    the moslems around here and in many other areas/country's are behaving like a disease and its time we, the civilised country's of the world found a common cure for it before it kills us all.

    maybe its time to rename the war on terror to the war on terrorism and push them back to their own moslem lands where they can slaughter each other to their hearts content without any interference from any outside forces/agencies unless they decided to threaten their neighbours.
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    ABC i think that if u did decide to give these gangs a little 'taste' of thier own medicine the backlash wud be much greater on u or ur group. Like u say molsems are very gud at protesting when it suits them and when it comes to asians calling whites racist and whites calling asians racist, white ppl almost certainly come worst off.

    To be honest i dont think that this matter will be resolved until its too late or something huge happens that makes the authorities realise racism can, and frequently is, working both ways.

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    Until the government decide they're going to take a harder line on asylum seekers i think this kinda things just gonna get worse, the countries filling up with these new nazis muslim assholes and i can only thank god i don't live in a area like you ABCMan.

    I have a greater fear of a muslim uprise in this country than i do of a war with Iraq, because it's on our doorstep, it's our neighbours and its being rubbed in our faces when our government sit back and let it happen.Bez is right ,we can't even take a stand because the white guy will probably come of worse.Years of campaigning against racism has done us more harm than good.It's become to comfortable for them here, and it's a sickening to think that these once white communities are being claimed as their territories.

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    ABCMan what you said is how me and a lot of other people I know feel.

    You should be Prime minister m8.

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    send em all back! thats wot i wud do and i dont care what i say this stuff is getting out of hand!!!

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    By ABCMan
    ....... (removed 2 paras of mothers comments not relevent, just comments on "Asian gangs" - meaning moslem gangs of course).....
    How did you come to that conclusion? How did you know they were muslims - even if they were, why would it matter as it is most likely that religion didn't even come into the equation when they shot the guy.

    Asian doesn't immediatly equate to someone being muslim, it doesn't even mean someones going to be a decendent of a specific country. Asian people come from many different countries, have many different ethnicities, and follow many different faiths.

    By ABCMan
    This is the reality of living in an area that has a moslem majority, this is real life, this is how the peace loving moslems behave when they have the majority.
    Majority? Thats not the majority, thats the minority. Its just one gang, one guy with a gun, who shot another guy for whatever reason.
    Are you going to make a judgement on what all people following a specific religion are like, just because of actions of people like this? Why does religion even enter this into this incident? It has nothing to do with what happened.

    You cannot judge the majority, due to the stupid acts of a very small minority.

    If however i used way of thinking then and went ahead and judged the majority due to the actions of the minority, then i'd look at groups like the BNP/NF etc and look at every white person and think they are racists who are willing to hurt others due to the colour of there skin, i'd look at football hooligans, and think white people are psycotic thugs who just go out and look for a fight, from what i see on the news i'd think all priests are ped0philes, i'd think white guys would be waiting to kidnap little girls/boys, i'd think all black people are thieves who do nothing but mug people & hurt/kill them, i'd think young white guys when they are in there groups, would be willing to beat up and kill people because of there skin colour (steven lawrence etc) etc etc.

    But i don't judge the majority, due to the actions of the minority, i don't go around generalising and making comments that would make me come across as a close minded person who tries their best to undermine certain groups of people just because of there ethinicity or there religion.

    These guys are nothing but criminals, and should be treated as criminals - other groups i.e. muslims, most likely have no affiliation with them.

    I think ABCMan should move to brixton, then we'd see the hate campaign moving onto another group,
    or maybe put more focus on what the majority does, as opposed to the minority.


    By Bez625
    like u say molsems are very gud at protesting when it suits them
    When should somebody protest? When someone/a group is against something, or wants to stand up for something, or is facing problems thats when they protest. If you see muslims protesting, surely they're not doing it for the heck of it, surely they are facing some kind of problems.
    What do you want to see? People to go and protest when it doesn't suit them? In other words protesting against something that they don't believe in and don't stand up for?

    By Aware
    Until the government decide they're going to take a harder line on asylum seekers i think this kinda things just gonna get worse, the countries filling up with these new nazis muslim assholes
    Muslims make up for a very small percentage of people in this country, so muslims aren't the ones filling up this country.
    If countries are prepared to go to war, then they should accept assylum seekers - just like if Britain goes to war against iraq, it should be prepared to accept assylum seekers from iraq.
    But sure, there should be tighter controls over who enters the country.

    By Aware
    It's become to comfortable for them here, and it's a sickening to think that these once white communities are being claimed as their territories
    The only thing thats sickening are your views. How you can have so much hatred and fear towards people just because of there religion is beyond me.
    Muslims don't bite, they are normal people just like you, who just happen to follow a different faith. Its just that sometimes you'll see a few bad people being shown in the media and the Islam tag will end up getting attached to them. They are not representing the majority.

    By ABCMan
    the racists (moslems)


    In conclusion, this is just an incident that happened between a group of youths - no need for you to use it to promote your hate towards specific groups:rolls:





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    Originally posted by anayet


    Majority? Thats not the majority, thats the minority. Its just one gang, one guy with a gun, who shot another guy for whatever reason.

    When ABC man says majority in this instance i think he means that when there is a majority of moslems in one area they start to behave differently than they wud if white ppl were the majority in that area. alright just bcoz there is a majority of them doesnt mean they all go round acting like thugs but i think the point hes making is that wen they are in a majority some moslems do act in ways such as these, and judging by the amount of shit ABC has evidently put up with/seen more than just a few of them.

    Originally posted by anayet


    When should somebody protest? When someone/a group is against something, or wants to stand up for something, or is facing problems thats when they protest. If you see muslims protesting, surely they're not doing it for the heck of it, surely they are facing some kind of problems.
    What do you want to see? People to go and protest when it doesn't suit them? In other words protesting against something that they don't believe in and don't stand up for?

    The point i was making is that moslems kick up a fuss when its to their benefit i.e. against racism when its toward moslems, which is fair and u will often see many white ppl protesting with moslems against racism, but when it comes to racism toward white ppl u hardly ever see any1 of a different ethnic group protesting with them.

    These are my views an until i have reason to see otherwise im sticking to them, you are entitled to ur views as is ne1 else on these forums but i dont want to get into an argument like what happened last time with ABC, we will simply have to agree to disagree on this as it will no doubt get out of hand,

    -Bez

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    @anayet, first point is a perfectly valid one, however the moslems are the only group who behave in this way, in this particular case i posted what was written which was "asians" however i assure you it was moslems not any other person from the indian subcontinent or from asia, the reason i know this is one of my kids was there when it happened, and its not a small minority i'm afraid, its the majority of under 24's that behave this way.

    for what its worth, although it isnt always as serious as this particular incident, it is a constant threat to any non moslem children from these moslem thugs, the sad fact is that the moslem community has no will or desire to stop these thugs, the schools refuse to do anything against them and the police are too scared to act forcibly against them because of the love of screaming racist at anyone who says anything against them.

    Your comments that it was one person and one small gang that isnt representitive of the whole community is sadly totaly wrong. school and college started here on monday so the term is two days old, so far of my two kids here at the moment one has been attacked, by a gang that drove up as they were getting out of college, the other at school reports that so far 7 white children, 2 indian children and 1 black child have been assaulted by the moslems at his school alone resulting in 3 having to go to hospital, the moslems didnt even get sent home from school and it wasnt the same one, these are year 11 & 10 students (and older moslems from outside the school) attacking year 7 & 8 children. in addition to that a 20 year old man was attacked by 4 moslems as he walked home alone along a well lit main road, they used hammers just to make sure their 4 onto 1 suprise attack wasnt cowardly enough. in this case one of the asailents was recognised and justice was served quickly and with extreme predjudice (he wont be jumping out of a car ever again ), several other moslem attackers have also been identified (including one 24 year old son of a shopkeeper who was recognised as part of a gang of 8 that attacked a 15 year old who was walking a neighbours dog in one of the local parks last week)

    these are REAL these are MOSLEMS this is the real TRUTH of living in an area with a moslem majority, am i going to move away? hell no, this is my country and when it finaly kicks off as it surely will, i may need sticks to walk but i'll be there alongside the indians, whites, blacks and every other colour helping to man the baracades and batter these thugs back into the stoneage where they belong.

    I DO realise that not every moslem is like i portray on here and i accept that, but from town after town the stories i hear are the same as what i see with my own eyes. someone, somewhere has to stop it and since the moslem community is unwilling to do anything at all, then how long will the rest of the uk population sit on their fat arses and allow it to continue, the point will come when too many people know the truth about what is happening in our own country, then hopefully it wont be to late for us all to take our country back, in the meantime i must continue my support for those blacks, whites, indians and chinese who stand up for themselves and slowly one at a time seek out these thugs and give them a severe taste of their own medicine.

    To the peoples of Britian i say this, because you live in a nice comfortable area at the moment it wont stay like that for ever, there is a hurricane sweeping slowly across Britain and its harming your contrymen, it starts small and it grows like a cancer wherever it puts down roots, it isnt growing through peoples choice to convert to islam, its growing by immigration, by marrage, by over conception and as it grows it simply eats away at the community aroud it untill the host population is cleared out, leave it alone at your peril.

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    i read the daily mail today and what did i see? 3 MUSLIM MEN IN LONDON WERE CELEBRATING THE ATTACKS ON AMERICA AND PREACHING IN A MOSQUE TODAY ! well im disgusted this shit can happen in england, the ****ing muslims are gaining contorl slowly and i HATE them all

    dont worry ABCMan i feel the same as you do so n e 1 want to have a go at me i dont care just dont ban me

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    We are not Allies of the USA??
    Have we not sided ourselves with them in the war against terrorism??

    If so. then why do we tollorate this:

    3 MUSLIM MEN IN LONDON WERE CELEBRATING THE ATTACKS ON AMERICA AND PREACHING IN A MOSQUE TODAY !
    i watched the memorial service on tv today, and thought to myself, that we in the UK could do well to follow the example the USA sets , and have a bit more patriotism, as it is, we seem to be suffering from a kind of self-loathing,the Establishment seems hell bent on running the citizensof this country down, and bleedin`heart liberals branding everything, that we love Racist,or offencive to minorities...Well i for one have had enough, i love this Country and will live, fight and die for Her if needs be!!!!!
    Lets have a bit more pride, and "don`t let the bastards get us down"
    we have a rich heritige in the UK,we are world leaders, and at one time ruled half the world, and i for one refuse to be pushed aside for some scum who has just walked of a boat/train whatever, I REFUSE TO BE PUSHED ASIDE!!!!

    Oh yeah!!! one other thing if Saddam or his followers want a war..."****ing bring it on!!"

    thanx for indulging me guys
    rant over ...............for now anyway!!
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    , then i'd look at groups like the BNP/NF etc and look at every white person and think they are racists who are willing to hurt others due to the colour of there skin, i'd look at football hooligans, and think white people are psycotic thugs who just go out and look for a fight
    This is not a white / black thread - the way you post you would think there are no white muslims??

    As for the BNP - I would say they are a group of fed up British people who are fighting for what they beleive in.

    3 MUSLIM MEN IN LONDON WERE CELEBRATING THE ATTACKS ON AMERICA AND PREACHING IN A MOSQUE TODAY !
    Well m8 - It makes me sick also but I can guarantee you now that there were a lot more than 3 (multiply that by a few thousand or maybe a a lot more) and you would be nearer the mark.

    It's about time we closed our doors

    ENGLAND IS FULL

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    wel manic, theres 3 leaders who are preachng then

    As for the BNP - I would say they are a group of fed up British people who are fighting for what they beleive in.
    very true i would soon vote BNP. infact i would vote so fast and hope many others vote it too. its about time England leaves this shitty multi-cultural society and be true englishmen who work for a living and want to get on instead of wanting too much power like these MAJORITY OF muslims. infact i know they want to over take the world theyre spakas and i will give you evidence to back it up before u start flaming me!!!!! and i apologise to you innocent muslims out there reading this im not directing at you im directing at the bad people! and i know i have strong feelings about it too
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    next chance i get ill be voting for the bnp and ill be trying my dammdest to get all my friends to oh, and im not racist i just think this goverment needs a kick up the arse im all for us livin in harmony but when you get a load of foriegners that move into a area and it then becomes a nogo for people of this country cos its now little iran china pakistan, no ****in way its too much and whats worst you couldnt do it in there country twats


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    i do not and would not support the bnp, but they gain influence by preying on the feelings of others, english non moslem white people are getting more and more pissed off at the muslem terror gangs and thugs, the bnp pery on this ill feeling towards moslems to try to make people racist towards anyone of any colour, that is wrong and always will be.

    sadly coloured people have suffered at the hands of racists since large scale immigration started, its very easy to hate someone because of the colour of their skin because they stand out, but our country is based on being accepting of people wherever they come from, the moslems are different however, it seem to make no difference where they come from, they behave in a way that is abhorent to british society at large, i have no idea if it the teachings of islam or just the nature of those who are drawn to such a viloent and despotic religion, since there are moslems who are genuinely decent i must assume that they are the ones with the brains, in western society the skinheads are in the minority wheras sadly in the moslem communities the racist thugs are in the majority. i dont hate someone because of their race i hate someone because of what they do, how they behave towards me and their attitude towards me, my kind & my country.

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    i agree but im afraid the only way i can see the gov movin there ass is by them seein support go to the likes of the bnp i have lived in brixton,burnley,blackburn,i have chinese and black friends who actuall cant stand the asylum seeker types themselfs i did have friends that converted to islam and they just got all silly and have no friends now except at the mosc?? i also got to know a few moslems in my travels and i always felt like they didnt want to talk to much to me or get to close?? but they changed alot when they where around there own,hhhmmm.


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    Yes, as you put it, these guys are thugs - it just so happened that a they happened to be Muslim.
    They way you talk it seems like only Muslim people are the ones who commit any crime in the UK, its more like the Muslim community are the ones who commit the least crime in the UK.
    I don't know about you, but when i watch the News or read a newspaper i see/read about people who have commited crimes - and the majority of them are usually white or black. Everything from beating people up due to there skin colour, muggings, rape, kidnapping of children, murders, hooliganism, gang fights, Gun fights, territory fights etc etc.

    Most of the time i don't see any who are asians, and hardly see any who are muslims.

    In conclusion, muslims hardly commit any crime, it is condemeded in the highest form possible - in mosques, lectures etc.
    In your area, i'm guessing there is a high rate of crime, it just so happens that some of the people who commit the crimes are muslim - or maybe just look muslim, if thats even possible, as muslims come from as races - i.e. black, white, chinese, indian etc etc - thats why theres a billion+ muslims in this world.
    The thugs actions have nothing to do with the religion they follow, but have more to do with the kind of mentality they have, or maybe as is the case usually, the neighbourhood they grew up in.

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    3 MUSLIM MEN IN LONDON WERE CELEBRATING THE ATTACKS ON AMERICA
    3 men who happened to be muslim. They don't represent the majority, but the extremist minority.
    3 were probably celebrating, but thousands were remembering and grieving just like everyone else, in homes, mosques etc.

    By dingle_666
    the ****ing muslims are gaining contorl slowly and i HATE them all
    You gain nothing by hating, the only thing that will happen is your hate will escalate to the point where you rant and rave about how you hate the majority due to the actions of the minority.....

    By Manic
    This is not a white / black thread - the way you post you would think there are no white muslims??
    My point was that i don't judge majorities, due to the actions of the minorities:rolls:
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    anayet, the point i keep making about moslems being the major source of trouble is sadly just that, its the majority, these guys attend schools and colleges in the area, they are usualy recognised by someone who has been at school with them and trust me, the kids round here know who the moslem children are as its usualy beaten into them at school, not only that but another easy way is to look at how they are treated at school, when a moslem (well never just one, but i'll use the singular) a pupil of any other race the worst they get is sent home for the afternoon (usualy only if their victim is hospitalised as the result of their cowardly attack) whereas if lets say a single white child gets fed up with a moslem classmate and gives him a well deserved kicking (you know the NORMAL routine, a few lumps and bruises) he would expect to be reported to the police for a racialy motivated attack, suspended for at least a week, then have to undergo racial awareness councilling (taking him out of regular lessons) and then of course he can no longer defend himself from the moslem thugs that make up the majority.

    now does that sound fair or does that sound ****ed up? because that is the reality of what happens and sadly the outcome of this is a whole generation of children leaving school/college with an inbuilt hatred of ALL moslems just waiting for the more vulnerable of them to be picked up by the bnp, if the moslems cant see this then they must be thicker than the racist skinheads.

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    By ABCMan
    In western society the skinheads are in the minority wheras sadly in the moslem communities the racist thugs are in the majority.
    What a load of crap. Only in your head, could you have made that up.
    It is quite apparent that you believe what you want to believe, because the majority of muslims are not racist thugs, how you came to that conclusion, i don't even want to know.

    By ABCMan
    i dont hate someone because of their race i hate someone because of what they do, how they behave towards me and their attitude towards me, my kind & my country.
    No, you just hate muslims.
    The thing is, when you watch the news, read newspapers, hear local gossip - the majority of times, you'll hear a white guy, or a black guy being resposible for an incident - you won't hear their religious background, if you did, then you'd probably think christians are destroying this country, with the constant fights, rapes, murders, kidnappings of children, muggings etc etc.

    And also, why must you take every oppurtunity you can find, to post threads on religion - a specific religion, and vent your anger towards that religion? Why can't you just say you hate a specific religion, and never bother wasting your time posting the stuff you do, all you're doing is getting more people to hate.

    By ABCMan
    if the moslems cant see this then they must be thicker than the racist skinheads
    Again, i reiterate, its the ones in your area, the minority, it sounds like you think the minority in your area are representing the majority:rolls:

    And you just have a belief that certain things work certain ways, i.e. in the schools, well either you're kids and people around your neighbourhood are giving a one sided story, or you just live in a seriously fuked up area. Maybe they were discriminated against, maybe they were attacked first therefore are now getting in groups and retaliating - who cares. Not me, cause i've never seen that kind of crap were i grew up.
    And also, as for being cowards for fighting in gangs? Thats what most people do nowadays, thats why you see asian youths getting there asses kicked to the brink of death by white youths, black youths getting killed by getting a beating by groups of white youths etc etc. Yep, these are incidents captured in the media, everytime, gangs of white youths - guessing christians, got in there groups, and kicked the crap out of single individuals. So whos the real cowards.


    Whatever it is, i don't care anymore, not bothered to post with some of the beliefs you have.
    Why don't you vent ALL your anger towards musims once and for all, get it all out, and never post anything that promotes your hatred towards people of religious faiths?
    Theres other things you can post about. Maybe post some of the crime thats being commited by the white/christian youths in your neighbourhood:rolls:

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