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    BBC News BNP members will not be banned from teaching

    BNP members will not be banned from teaching



    Measures to protect children from racism were found to be sufficient

    Teachers in England should not be banned from membership of the British National Party or any group which may promote racism, a review has concluded.

    The government commissioned the report last September after a leaked list identified 15 BNP members as teachers.
    Review author Maurice Smith added his recommendation should be reviewed every year, which ministers have accepted.
    The BNP has not yet commented on the review's findings. Members are barred from the police and prison service.
    Mr Smith, a former chief inspector of schools, said a ban would be "taking a very large sledgehammer to crack a minuscule nut".
    Schools Secretary Ed Balls welcomed the report, saying the case for a ban would be kept "under active consideration and reviewed on an annual basis".
    The schools secretary has now asked for a further review of the measures in place in independent schools to prevent the promotion of racism.

    Legitimate organisation

    Mr Smith said: "I do not believe that barring teachers or other members of the wider school workforce from membership of legitimate organisations which may promote racism is necessary at present."

    The report is woefully inadequate and littered with contradictions


    Chris Keates, NASUWT



    Should we ban teachers from BNP?

    Such a move would be a "profound political act", he said, and there was no consensus on the issue.
    He said existing measures to protect children and young people from discrimination or political indoctrination were comprehensive enough to mitigate the risk, although some could be improved upon.
    Mr Smith said there was currently "insufficient evidence of risk" to justify a ban on teachers joining organisations such as the BNP.
    He said: "Although police and prison officers are banned, to ban more than half a million teachers - or six million public servants - from joining a legitimate organisation would take this to a different scale of magnitude."
    He also said any ban was likely to have been challenged in the courts by the BNP.
    Concern has been raised about independent schools staffed by unqualified teachers. Mr Smith said there were no details on how many staff in independent schools were unqualified.

    Ed Balls has said there is no place for racism in schools

    Mr Balls said he wanted to know if the current situation struck "the right balance between allowing independent schools autonomy, operating in accordance with their ethos and values, and protecting the young people attending those schools from teachers displaying racist or intolerant views or behaviours that could be harmful".
    He said there was "no place for racism in our schools" but that the report made it clear that incidences of teachers promoting racism were "extremely rare".
    Mr Balls said last year he wanted this review to see if there were sufficient powers available "to keep racism and BNP activity out of schools".
    British National Party leader Nick Griffin said at the time his members were victims of "political oppression".

    Racist remarks

    The NASUWT union, which has campaigned to have BNP members banned from schools, said it was disappointed by the review's findings.
    General secretary Chris Keates said the report was "an opportunity that's been missed" to bring teachers into line with police and prison officers.
    "The idea that a person who signs up to membership of the BNP can simply leave these beliefs at the school gate and behave as a 'professional' when they walk into school is risible, " said Ms Keates.
    "The report is woefully inadequate and littered with contradictions."
    She said too much attention was paid to the number of incidents in schools, saying "one incident is one too many".
    Only six incidences of BNP membership by members of the teaching profession or governors were brought to the attention of the Department for Children, Schools and Families in six years, the report said.
    It also found only nine incidents where teachers making racist remarks or holding racist materials had been referred to the General Teaching Council for England.
    But the Association of School and College Leaders welcomed the findings.
    Its general secretary Dr John Dunford said: "Of course people with racist views should not be working with young people in schools. However, it is much less clear that there should be a blanket regulation on the issue.
    "The aim should be genuinely to challenge young people to think for themselves and to form their own opinions rather than to promote a particular ideology."
    The review into independent schools will report in September.



    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8563044.stm



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    Default Re: BNP members will not be banned from teaching

    Dont see the issue myself. We let teachers who believe in fairytales that promote hate, violence and 1ncest teach our kids, so why not racists?

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    Default Re: BNP members will not be banned from teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by BBK View Post
    Dont see the issue myself. We let teachers who believe in fairytales that promote hate, violence and 1ncest teach our kids, so why not racists?
    Agreed. Surely any good teacher won't push their personal views on children regardless of what they are.

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    Exactly. Thoough we allow religious teachers to do just that. Im sure any teacher found promoting racial hatred would be removed from the job pretty quickly. I do think this is just more knee-jerk media rubbish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBK View Post
    Exactly. Thoough we allow religious teachers to do just that. Im sure any teacher found promoting racial hatred would be removed from the job pretty quickly. I do think this is just more knee-jerk media rubbish.
    I'm wondering how much the recent move by the BNP to allow nonwhites into it's fold has to do with this ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBK View Post
    Dont see the issue myself. We let teachers who believe in fairytales that promote hate, violence and 1ncest teach our kids, so why not racists?
    The bigger question is how is the BNP a legal organisation when that looney Muslim one that wanted to walk through Wotton Basset was illegal?

    Taken in this context, members of an illegal terrorist organisation teaching your kids?

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    Default Re: BNP members will not be banned from teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by Over carl View Post
    The bigger question is how is the BNP a legal organisation when that looney Muslim one that wanted to walk through Wotton Basset was illegal?

    Taken in this context, members of an illegal terrorist organisation teaching your kids?
    As 4me2 correctly identified, the fact that the BNP have lifted their non-white policy means that they are no longer considered an illegal political party. And although I have no love for the BNP or any other fascist organisation, I think that excluding them from public positions only further fuels their resentment and sense of martyrdom.

    Besides, you need an -ology to become a teacher... thats a pretty high bar

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    Default Re: BNP members will not be banned from teaching

    We haven't shut down the Catholic schools that breed hatred and distrust from an early age why should we bin the Bnp teachers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by diablos View Post
    We haven't shut down the Catholic schools that breed hatred and distrust from an early age why should we bin the Bnp teachers.
    It was catholic schools I had in mind with my initial response

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    Default Re: BNP members will not be banned from teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by BBK View Post
    It was catholic schools I had in mind with my initial response
    All faith schools are a bit Mental let kids choose for themselves i say.


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    Quote Originally Posted by diablos View Post
    All faith schools are a bit Mental let kids choose for themselves i say.
    Quite agree. We wouldn't condone any other sort of brainwashing, so why do we condone religious indoctrination?

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    Default Re: BNP members will not be banned from teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by GTI View Post
    As 4me2 correctly identified, the fact that the BNP have lifted their non-white policy means that they are no longer considered an illegal political party. And although I have no love for the BNP or any other fascist organisation, I think that excluding them from public positions only further fuels their resentment and sense of martyrdom.

    Besides, you need an -ology to become a teacher... thats a pretty high bar
    The ground on which Islam4UK was banned - Under the Terrorism Act 2000, a group can be banned if it "commits or participates in acts of terrorism, prepares for, promotes or encourages terrorism or is otherwise concerned in terrorism". http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8453560.stm

    The BNP would be concerned about terrorism therefore should be banned under same grounds as Islam4UK. As previously discussed on here, DF should also be banned under the same legislation.

    http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/a...rorism-charges
    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/site.../t-111309.html

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