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    http://www.digital-forums.com/showth...light=venables

    should we not reopen this thread and see how/ if posters views and opinions have changed.





    Link; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10369277.stm
    Bulger killer Jon Venables faces child porn charges

    Page last updated at 05:21 GMT, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 06:21 UK




    Jon Venables was given a new identity on his release from prison One of the two killers of Merseyside toddler James Bulger has been charged with possession and distribution of indecent images of children.
    Jon Venables, who killed James in 1993, was released from jail in 2001 and given a new identity and anonymity for life under a special court order.
    But Venables, now 27, was recalled to prison in February after allegedly breaching the terms of his licence.
    He is charged with two offences under the 1978 Protection of Children Act.
    Early stage It is alleged that he downloaded 57 indecent images of children between February 2009 and February 2010.
    He is secondly accused of distributing seven images between 1 and 23 February this year by allowing files on his computer to be available through a peer-to-peer network. Gavin Millar QC, for the Crown, told the judge that there was no evidence that anyone else had acquired the files through that route.
    The case is at a very early stage and will return to court on 23 July. That hearing will be the first opportunity for Venables to indicate whether he will be pleading guilty or not guilty to the alleged offences.
    The Bulger family lawyer says there is "relief" Venables has been charged

    Were he to plead not guilty, he would appear before a jury under his new name. If he pleads guilty, the case will move to sentencing before a judge.
    Under the terms of Venables' anonymity order, the media is not allowed to report anything about his new identity and a jury would never know who he really is
    Mother's concerns In March, the then Justice Secretary Jack Straw announced that Venables had been returned to prison but said that it was not in the interests of a fair trial to publicise what had allegedly happened.
    Denise Fergus, James's mother, had called for the reason for the recall to be made public, saying as his mother she had "a right to know".
    In a statement, read by her spokesman on her behalf on Monday, she said: "It is right that the charges he faces should be made public.
    "I have been kept informed to an extent about the legal proceedings in the case over the past few months through the Ministry of Justice, the Merseyside Probation Service and more recently by senior officers from Merseyside police."
    She said her solicitor had also been in contact with the ministry about concerns she had over the "way the case is going to be handled".
    "We are still awaiting a reply to that formal approach. I am prepared to wait and see what happens. I simply want to see justice done in this case and I don't want to say anything that could affect the proceedings," the statement said.
    'Disaster' Speaking outside court on Monday, Robin Makin, solicitor for James's father Ralph, attacked the Ministry of Justice for the way it had handled the case ever since Venables' recall.
    "We consider that the way this has been handled since news of Jon Venables being recalled to custody has been a disaster," he said.
    "The public authorities ought to behave quite differently and in due course further details are likely to emerge of the mistakes that were made. Ineptitude and incompetence spring to mind."
    Venables and his friend Robert Thompson were jailed for life when, as 10-year-olds, they took two-year-old James from a shopping centre in Bootle.
    The toddler's body was found on a disused railway line more than two miles away from where he had been taken.
    Venables and Thompson were given new identities on their release from prison in 2001 because of the risk that they would be victims of a vigilante attack.
    Media law expert Mark Stephens insisted despite the publicity it was "almost certain" that Venables could get a fair trial.
    He said: "The judge has gone to extraordinary lengths, as has the prosecution. They have worked with the defence to make sure that a fair trial can happen and that justice will out at the end of the day."
    However, BBC legal affairs analyst Clive Coleman says if the case goes to trial, it will be a very difficult one for the authorities to manage.
    Defence lawyers could argue there was an "abuse of process" because of the publicity surrounding the case. They would tell the judge that a jury would be able to identify the defendant, and the notoriety of James' Bulger's murder would mean Venables would not be able to get a fair trial, he said.


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    It's best to use the report button for queries like this mate, that way it's flagged up in the staff section.


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    I went into that thread last night when I thought about posting this, but chose not to post anything. Before I say anything else let me say this: I hope he gets the book thrown at him as any other paedo SHOULD (but don't). However, I don't think it proves anything back to the original Bulger case, though that remains to be seen obviously, I'm sure it will all come out at some stage. Nothing really has changed IMO.

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    This makes my blood boil, to think this twat is free to behave in such a despicable manner, when he should at the very least still be in prison.

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    This proves the death penalty point he is never going to "get better" he will always want to hurt kids what's the point paying out fortunes we don't have to keep him alive


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    they should have cut his bollocks off before !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve10574 View Post
    This proves the death penalty point he is never going to "get better" he will always want to hurt kids what's the point paying out fortunes we don't have to keep him alive


    I await someone on here calling me a idiot for not thinking the same as them :-)


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    We didn't know he was going to reoffend at the time though. Should we travel into the future to check if people will reoffend when deciding whether or not to kill them?

    The Bulger case is such an outlier on the graph that it doesn't even warrant discussion in my opinion. It's horribly tragic and the people involved on all sides have had their lives changed dramatically by it, but it's a total one-off incident. It's not like we are being constantly bothered by young children kidnapping and brutally murdering even younger ones, or anything remotely like that.

    This case was always going to divide public opinion, it's the only case we've ever seen or will ever see of this nature and as such dealing with it is going to be a stab in the dark regardless of how well thought out it is. If it did happen a lot in the future we'd begin to develop the best ways to deal with the criminals and victims as we have been doing with evidence-based decisions on how to punish and rehabilitate standard murderers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve10574 View Post
    I await someone on here calling me a idiot for not thinking the same as them :-)


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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoPlAnKs View Post
    We didn't know he was going to reoffend at the time though. Should we travel into the future to check if people will reoffend when deciding whether or not to kill them?
    Maybe not, but i think it goes without saying that someone who is capable of the brutality he showed when he murdered an innocent child, IS more, not less likely to re-offend when released.

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    should change the thread title.... I thought El Tel had been up to sommat

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    Quote Originally Posted by russbeer View Post
    should change the thread title.... I thought El Tel had been up to sommat
    Haha, me too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by blaggard View Post
    Haha, me too!
    and me originally. I live in hope, he should be locked up too.

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    Well rehabilitation obviously didnt work for his last crime. Lets see if it works for this one. Lets see if were back here in 7 - 10 years discussing yet another sex crime or similar involving him. In the meantime I shall be wondering what jolly exploits those two scamps from Doncaster will be getting upto upon their release and rehabilitation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vixen View Post
    Well rehabilitation obviously didnt work for his last crime. Lets see if it works for this one. Lets see if were back here in 7 - 10 years discussing yet another sex crime or similar involving him. In the meantime I shall be wondering what jolly exploits those two scamps from Doncaster after their rehabilitation will be upto on their release.
    I'd be surprised if he is out in 7-10 years given his history, although it could be not far off it. That is assuming he is guilty of course, do bear in mind he has only been charged at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoPlAnKs View Post
    I'd be surprised if he is out in 7-10 years given his history, although it could be not far off it. That is assuming he is guilty of course, do bear in mind he has only been charged at this point.

    Well I was surprised he was released last time after such a short sentence.In regards to his guilt the police and cps must have almost overwelming evidence for it to have been made so public.Thank you once again for your condescending tone, after all I am only a girlie


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    rehabilitation dosent work in the majority of cases, the whole rehab thing was dreamt up by liberal do gooders cos they couldnt bear the thought of people going to prison and being treating like, well criminals. its about time all the liberal do gooders who are intent on destroying the fabric of society were all put on a little island with the criminals and they could pat them all on the head whenever they do anything wrong.

    those 2 pieces of shit should never have seen the outside of a prison!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vixen View Post
    Thank you once again for your condescending tone, after all I am only a girlie
    That's downright offensive, I use a condescending tone with almost everybody actually. I watch Glee and hate football, I'm practically a fucking woman myself for christ sake.

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    rehabilitation dosent work in the majority of cases
    Given that rehabilitation wherever possible is the system used by almost every legal system in the Western world, you're going to need to give some evidence to back up that completely unfounded claim.

    What about the other guy who was involved in the Bulger case, is he up to much these days? It sounds to me like they took the benefit of the doubt on the basis that the criminals were only kids and released them as adults, and that was shown to be the correct thing to do as the relatively innocent one who was genuinely a child that went along with somebody else as children do (albeit an extreme case of that) has gone on to live the rest of his life after a childhood of punishment. The bad egg that really has a problem, Venables, has shown himself up in what is really the best possible way; I can't think of a peadophile related crime that is less serious than what he has now done and it will hopefully be enough to get him properly punished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vixen View Post
    Well I was surprised he was released last time after such a short sentence.In regards to his guilt the police and cps must have almost overwelming evidence for it to have been made so public.Thank you once again for your condescending tone, after all I am only a girlie
    Oh come on! How did he condescend? Playing the "gender card" does you no favours, you've done it too often, and calling multiple dissension "pack mentality" and carping that you are treated differently because you are female is frankly, bollocks!
    It may have happened on the odd occasion but certainly not in the recent couple of threads that I'vw been involved in. People have different opinions, live with it and stop carping!
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    I to a point am a supporter of bringing back the death penalty. Not for all crimes it once was, and only in extreme cases where re-rehabilitation is never going to work. Some crimes these days are too damn nasty to just lock the perpetrators up.

    That said you couldn't have given this sick fuck the death penalty in the first instance, as he was only young and did possibly have the potential to reform. Now he hasn't he does need putting down.

    It can take a long, long time to pass the death penalty, so they would need to go back to basics if any such law was to be brought back. And it definitely needs limiting as so innocent people can't get killed.

    It costs a lot to put people in prison and I agree also with the idea to abolish short jail terms for minor crimes, as it does fuck all. Community orders are a better option. Having served HM for 9 months as a youth, I can say it did nothing to rehabilitate me. In fact being in contact with other criminals only increased my criminal knowledge. EG: A joyrider, now knows how to break into houses as well as cars...

    A community order will in most cases be more of an inconvenience to petty criminals that jail. Prison is actually a cushy option for some people. People who have shit lives on the outside, suddenly can live well in jail.

    Back on topic, this cunt needs putting down. Or put permanently on a prison ship or space rocket to mars. Drug testing or something.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoPlAnKs View Post
    Given that rehabilitation wherever possible is the system used by almost every legal system in the Western world, you're going to need to give some evidence to back up that completely unfounded claim.
    i dont need to find any evidence m8 or reference a source, im the source. Somethings in life you see for yourself and dont rely on newspapers and chats over a pint, you will learn that when you grow up a bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by TwoPlAnKs View Post
    What about the other guy who was involved in the Bulger case, is he up to much these days? It sounds to me like they took the benefit of the doubt on the basis that the criminals were only kids and released them as adults, and that was shown to be the correct thing to do as the relatively innocent one who was genuinely a child that went along with somebody else as children do (albeit an extreme case of that) has gone on to live the rest of his life after a childhood of punishment.
    has he? how do you know?? he could be a persistent petty offender or some smack head, worse still he could be a liberal do gooder now that is criminal. think you need to provide evidence he is a law abiding useful member of society!!!! :-p

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