Scheme to 'pull electricity from the air' sparks debate

Thread: Scheme to 'pull electricity from the air' sparks debate

  1. 4me2's Avatar

    4me2 said:

    Attention Scheme to 'pull electricity from the air' sparks debate

    Scheme to 'pull electricity from the air' sparks debate

    By Jason Palmer Science and technology reporter, BBC News


    The claim of electricity from the air as a renewable resource is controversial


    Tiny charges gathered directly from humid air could be harnessed to generate electricity, researchers say.
    Dr Fernando Galembeck told the American Chemical Society meeting in Boston that the technique exploited a little-known atmospheric effect.
    Tests had shown that metals could be used to gather the charges, he said, opening up a potential energy source in humid climates.
    However, experts disagree about the mechanism and the scale of the effect.
    "The basic idea is that when you have any solid or liquid in a humid environment, you have absorption of water at the surface," Dr Galembeck, from the University of Campinas in Brazil, told BBC News.



    "The work I'm presenting here shows that metals placed under a wet environment actually become charged."


    Dr Galembeck and his colleagues isolated various metals and pairs of metals separated by a non-conducting separator - a capacitor, in effect - and allowed nitrogen gas with varying amounts of water vapour to pass over them.
    What the team found was that charge built up on the metals - in varying amounts, and either positive or negative. Such charge could be connected to a circuit periodically to create useful electricity.
    The effect is incredibly small - gathering an amount of charge 100 million times smaller over a given area than a solar cell produces - but seems to represent a means of charge accumulation that has been overlooked until now.
    Dr Galembeck suggests that with further development, the principle could be extended to become a renewable energy resource in humid parts of the world, such as the tropics.


    Charged debate

    However, while the prospect of free electricity from the air is tantalising, the prospect of harnessing enough of it to be widely useful is still a matter of some debate.
    Hywel Morgan of the University of Southampton says that a similar effect has been known for some time; he points out that tribocharging - the generation of charge by rubbing wool over amber or water droplets over water droplets - is the origin of thunderstorms.

    "There have been many attempts to harness electricity from the atmosphere and most had bad endings”
    Francesco Galembeck University of Campinas



    "What we think is happening is he's pumping the water vapour across his capacitor and during the pumping mechanism, tribocharging the water vapour."
    That would result in a charge, but would not be the same as simply pulling the charge from still, wet air.
    Marin Soljacic, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology physicist behind a wireless power transmission technology, known as Witricity, disagrees.
    He calls the paper "very interesting" and "a good area of research".
    He concurs, however, that the amount of charge gathered in the initial tests suggests the effect may be difficult to put to good use, saying that "at this point it is far-fetched to see how it could be used for everyday applications".
    "It really warrants future research and understanding what all the limitations of this are, how far it can go," he told BBC News.
    "[Prof Morgan] is right that a similar and closely-related effect is known to exist, but we're very pressed for finding new sources of renewable energy, [so] I think it's a bit early to discard this research."
    Dr Galembeck is familiar with the controversy that this kind of work generates, saying that disagreement about the mechanism behind it forms "the motif for bitter discussions among scientists".
    "There have been many attempts to harness electricity from the atmosphere and most had bad endings."


    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
    There are 3 types of people in the world - those who make things happen, those who watch things happen; and those who wondered what happened.

    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]Conservatives. Putting the 'N' into Cuts.

     
  2. EvilBoB's Avatar

    EvilBoB said:

    Default Re: Scheme to 'pull electricity from the air' sparks debate

    Quote Originally Posted by 4me2 View Post
    "There have been many attempts to harness electricity from the atmosphere and most had bad endings."
    Oh I would love to see what those "bad endings" were...
    DF Moderator
    XBox One | Panasonic 4k | MS Surface Pro 3 | 3DSXL | WiiU | RPi3
    XBL : TheSumOfAllEvil
     
  3. Ginnerfreak's Avatar

    Ginnerfreak said:

    Default Re: Scheme to 'pull electricity from the air' sparks debate

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilBoB View Post
    Oh I would love to see what those "bad endings" were...
    They are most probably quite shocking..... ...
     
  4. EvilBoB's Avatar

    EvilBoB said:

    Default Re: Scheme to 'pull electricity from the air' sparks debate

    Hahah - class
    DF Moderator
    XBox One | Panasonic 4k | MS Surface Pro 3 | 3DSXL | WiiU | RPi3
    XBL : TheSumOfAllEvil