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    US sorry over deliberate sex infections in Guatemala


    Syphilis can cause blindness, insanity and even death


    The United States government has apologised for deliberately infecting hundreds of people in Guatemala with gonorrhoea and syphilis as part of medical tests more than 60 years ago.
    None of those infected - mentally ill patients and prisoners - consented.
    Guatemalan President Alvaro Colom accused the US of "crimes against humanity".
    US President Barack Obama has called Mr Colom to apologise and has said the acts ran contrary to American values.


    'Shocking, tragic, reprehensible'

    Syphilis can cause heart problems, blindness, mental illness and even death, and although the patients were treated it is not known how many recovered.
    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] was unearthed by Prof Susan Reverby at Wellesley College. She says the Guatemalan government gave permission for the tests.
    No offer of compensation has yet been made, but an investigation will be launched into the specifics of the study, which took place between 1946 and 1948.
    White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said on Friday the news was "shocking, it's tragic, it's reprehensible".
    The joint statement from Mrs Clinton and Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said: "Although these events occurred more than 64 years ago, we are outraged that such reprehensible research could have occurred under the guise of public health.
    "We deeply regret that it happened, and we apologise to all the individuals who were affected by such abhorrent research practices."


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    The study by Prof Reverby shows that US government medical researchers infected almost 700 people in Guatemala with two sexually transmitted diseases.
    The patients - prisoners and people suffering mental health problems - were unaware they were being experimented upon.
    The doctors used pr0stitutes with syphilis to infect them, or inoculation, as they tried to determine whether penicillin could prevent syphilis, not just cure it.
    The patients were then treated for the disease, but it is unclear whether everyone was cured.
    Prof Reverby has previously done research on the Tuskegee experiment, where the US authorities measured the progress of syphilis in African-American men without telling them they had the disease or adequately treating it.
    The experiment ran from 1932 to 1972, with President Bill Clinton eventually apologising for it.



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    The good guys, ladies and gentlemen.......

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    In fairness the British are no better

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    Daily Telegraph reported on 7 July 1995 : -
    SCIENTISTS USED ASIAN WOMEN 'FOR RADIATION EXPERIMENTS'
    Experiments to discover the effects of nuclear fall-out were conducted on Asian women in Britain without consent, a television documentary claimed last night. Researchers for Channel 4's True Stories : Deadly Experiments discovered that in Coventry during the 1960s and 1970s, 20 Asian women were given radioactive chapatis to eat daily in the government's Medical Research Council ( MRC ) experiments.
    The women were told that the specially prepared food would help them with various ailments. One woman who spoke no English discovered later that she had been taken to the government's nuclear laboratory at Harwell, Oxon, to measure how much radiation she had absorbed. The researchers found that between 1955 and 1970 hospital pathologists removed body parts from 6,000 corpses - many of them children - and sent them to Harwell for analysis.
    One mother who was prevented from dressing her baby before burial found out 28 years later that her child had been mutilated as part of an experiment.
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    In the programme Dr David Evered of the MRC defends the secrecy of the experiments. He says, " It was not standard practice to obtain such permission at the time. My understanding is that there is still a question of legal doubt as to where ownership ... rests ... of a body."

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    It's the Human Race and not just recent history, we've always been scumbags!
    If at first you don't succeed.....redefine success. . . .

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    the Japanese did the exact same thing, and far worse too and I'm sure plenty of other countries joined in the fun at some point, hard to point the finger at anyone when everyone else is doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by {{909}} View Post
    the Japanese did the exact same thing, and far worse too
    As did the Germans, but these experiments were done during the war. The American and British experiments were performed during peace time.

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    The thing that disgusts me the most about this story is the US were found out, they didn't come clean, they only apologised when they were rumbled.

    They also did similar experiments on their own citizens for 40 years. The US are also suspected of carrying out experiments with LSD in France just after WWII, by adding it to the water supply of an entire village.

    I suspect this is only the tip of the iceberg and the US are guilty of doing far more than this and probably more shocking too. Lets not forget this is also the nation that brought us Nuclear Holocaust and Agent Orange.

    You can mention isolated incidents carried out by other governemnts and regimes. But as far as modern history is concerned, when it comes to being cunts, I think the US wins by a fucking margin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CzarJunkie View Post
    The thing that disgusts me the most about this story is the US were found out, they didn't come clean, they only apologised when they were rumbled.

    They also did similar experiments on their own citizens for 40 years. The US are also suspected of carrying out experiments with LSD in France just after WWII, by adding it to the water supply of an entire village.

    I suspect this is only the tip of the iceberg and the US are guilty of doing far more than this and probably more shocking too. Lets not forget this is also the nation that brought us Nuclear Holocaust and Agent Orange.

    You can mention isolated incidents carried out by other governemnts and regimes. But as far as modern history is concerned, when it comes to being cunts, I think the US wins by a fucking margin.
    Didn't the eskimos get a dose of something as well ?

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    Default Re: US sorry over deliberate sex infections in Guatemala

    Maybe I'm confusing it with this which was also wrong:

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    Default Re: US sorry over deliberate sex infections in Guatemala

    Also people seem to think this is all in the past when in reality in 30-40 years they will be reporting similar things they are doing now to the dispensable sections of society, people just say "yeah in the past but it couldn't wouldn't happen now" forgetting every generation has said the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Bouncer View Post
    Also people seem to think this is all in the past when in reality in 30-40 years they will be reporting similar things they are doing now to the dispensable sections of society, people just say "yeah in the past but it couldn't wouldn't happen now" forgetting every generation has said the same thing.
    Things have always happened here:

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    When I used to wear the green clothes, a lot of idiots used to volunteer to go here.
    They earned extra money whilst just hanging around for a couple of weeks. They were paid money for each test carried out on them but had to sign waivers. Thankfully I was never that skint or stupid enough to volunteer my services.

    I assume the same sort of shit is still going on today.

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    Gulf war syndrome is in my view a result of tablets given to US and UK forces to supposedly protect them from Nerve agents in the first gulf war.

    Pyridostigmine bromide nerve gas antidote

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    iirc eugenics was the brainchild of an englishman.

    anyway wtf bring up old shit...60 years ffs!!

    Has the world asked germany to say sorry to the jews or maybe the jews should say sorry to jesus..

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughboy View Post
    iirc eugenics was the brainchild of an englishman.

    anyway wtf bring up old shit...60 years ffs!!

    Has the world asked germany to say sorry to the jews or maybe the jews should say sorry to jesus..
    Thanks for your invaluable contributions to this thread.

    Just for info Germany has only just finished paying off WW1 debt.

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    We only finished paying the USA a couple of years ago, Germany came out of it rather better!
    If at first you don't succeed.....redefine success. . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by blaggard View Post
    We only finished paying the USA a couple of years ago, Germany came out of it rather better!
    Don't confuse WW1 with WW2.

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    Bugger!! Well done Blackadder! so many skirmishes with the Hun one forgets!
    If at first you don't succeed.....redefine success. . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by blaggard View Post
    Bugger!! Well done Blackadder! so many skirmishes with the Hun one forgets!
    We along with many other defaulted on WW1 debt.

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    I've often wondered if AIDS started the same way ,but yes similar events have taken place
    ie [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
    driven past it many times , and then they put [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

    wonder why they keep putting that stuff as far away from London ???

    With regards the WW1 debt, it was one of the reasons they US were reluctant to join WW2, however people like JFK's father were selling arms to Germany and the UK during WW2 as were Sweden who remained neutral.
    One of the first shipments of arms to the UK from the US in WW2 was rifles from WW1 stored in oil.
    The US demanded to see the books of the UK determined to see payment would be made.
    One deal involved the French Government and the UK just before the fall of France
    It amounted to millions of dollars and the UK and France were desperate for more arms. However at the last moment the French decided to do a deal with the Germans and retreat to their African Colonies.
    So the UK was left to pay for the lot despite helping the French. The US did not believe that the UK had at this point spent all available money and all their gold( at this point in History the UK had a lot of gold reserves)

    what happened then was the biggest secret move of gold and share certificates from the banks in London to ports on the West Coast of Scotland. Navy ships filled to capacity raced across the Atlantic and the gold was stored in a specially converted building in Canada. The British Navy was also responsible for uplifting the Norwegian Gold and their Royal family as the German forces were literally yards away.
    They transported a lot of the French gold over too, but the Vichy French forced the Royal navy to attack French ships when they refused to scuttle( for fear that they would fall into German hands)

    The ironic thing is after the war the French had retained most of their gold that was returned to them whereas the UK was potless.
    One secret that was never revealed at the time was that shares and assets held by the London banks were sold to buy arms once they had run out of money and gold, and iou,s in sterling were left in their place.
    It one of the reasons that Land once owned by the UK in the Americas was sold or leased to the US.

    Had it not been for WW2 the US would not have emerged so quickly from the depression.


    Going back to the Great depression, it is argued that it was prompted by intervention by the captains of industry. The bubble then was the stock market where people saw share prices in everything rise everyday, to the point where even the shoe shine boys where giving share advice , that is when some observers noted that the poop was going to hit the fan.
    Normal people were able to leverage themselves to the hilt to buy shares that went up and up, of course if you have the inside knowledge like the Rockerfellers of the world, then it is suggested that they pulled the rug out of the market, (they would benefit from having sold on the way up and buying when they crashed, leaving many normal folk with margin calls they were unable make.

    In much the same way then the housing bubble formed in the same calculated way in the US and UK, Ireland etc and with the economy in a similar state some have said where is the war coming from in much the same way in an obscure way WW2 flushed out the system.

    The recent cyber attack on Iran and its industrial complex was mooted as an attack by mossad to prevent the feared nuclear production for weapons grade Uranium. Some have said allow the banks in to Iran and it would be safe from attack( Goldman Sachs amongst others have applied for banking licences in Iran)

    And now we get the news that the US have warned its citizens travelling in Europe of Mumbai style attacks by terrorists( is this the precursor to a premeditated war ? )

    According to many reports Ive read the Mumbai attack was more than just a group of terrorists and there were more people involved. It is alleged that the CIA are behind many false flag attacks to aid US foreign policy but also the bidding of Zionist empire building behind the scenes but that is where it starts to get a but incredulous but I suppose no one ever thought the twin towers would be hit by amateur pilots many who where accused are still alive

    some heavy link reading can be found here
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    Im not a fan of Alex Jones the US shock jockey but you can pick through some of the stuff on his site too

    As always take everything with a pinch of salt and do your own cross referencing

    edit will finish this in a bit gotta run the wiflet into town

    Reference: Lords of Finance
    Operation Fish
    Churchill diaries
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