PSN down for up to 2 days

[HELPERS]

i would say that we have a case of breach of service from Sony ?

who will be the first to sue them ? in USA ? and a bit bloody slow to email there EU customers-to slow

[kracken]

"We exclude all liability for loss of data or unauthorised access to your data, Sony Online Network account or Sony Online Network wallet and for damage caused to your software or hardware as a result of using or accessing Sony Online Network."

[blaggard]

Don't get that one the only cost I can see is the phonecall to your bank for s new card.

I think maybe I value my time more than you seem to value yours.

[Bald Bouncer]

"We exclude all liability for loss of data or unauthorised access to your data, Sony Online Network account or Sony Online Network wallet and for damage caused to your software or hardware as a result of using or accessing Sony Online Network."

They can put whatever terms they like but terms and conditions do not over rule the laws of the land so if the law say's they have a legal obligation to to protect users data and they are found to have not taken adequate steps to do so then you have a case, this could also be the case if it is proven they delayed notification of this loss in the interests of PR over user protection.

Example with people selling backups and thinking putting you must own the original blah blah blah it's a worthless statement they are still breaking the law.

[kracken]

They can put whatever terms they like but terms and conditions do not over rule the laws of the land so if the law say's they have a legal obligation to to protect users data and they are found to have not taken adequate steps to do so then you have a case, this could also be the case if it is proven they delayed notification of this loss in the interests of PR over user protection.

Example with people selling backups and thinking putting you must own the original blah blah blah it's a worthless statement they are still breaking the law.

Yeah their clause would not free them from their obligations under the UK Data Protection Act , if this data was stored in the UK

[4me2]

Yeah their clause would not free them from their obligations under the UK Data Protection Act , if this data was stored in the UK

It has fuck all to do with where it is stored.

[jimbo77]

well reading the playstation blog it seems it gonna be roughly a week before the services are up and running again....link below

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2011/...ty-outage-faq/

[jamie_h88]

Like clockwork, the first lawsuit resulting from the security breach of the personal data of more than 75 million Sony PlayStation Network customers has been filed.

The suit was filed today on behalf of Kristopher Johns, 36, of Birmingham, Ala., in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California. Johns accuses Sony of not taking "reasonable care to protect, encrypt, and secure the private and sensitive data of its users."

He also believes Sony took too long to notify him and other customers that their personal information had been exposed. Because of that, the complaint alleges, Sony did not allow its customers "to make an informed decision as to whether to change credit card numbers, close the exposed accounts, check their credit reports, or take other mitigating actions."

The lawsuit is asking for monetary compensation and free credit card monitoring, and is seeking class action status.

Yesterday, Sony warned customers of its PlayStation Network and Qriocity service that their personal information--including customer names, addresses, e-mail addresses, birthdays, PlayStation Network and Qriocity passwords, and user names, as well as online user handles--was obtained illegally by an "unauthorized person" between April 17 and 19. The company says there is "no evidence" that credit card information was compromised, but it can't be sure yet.

In the aftermath of the breach Sony has temporarily turned off PlayStation Network and Qriocity, contracted with an outside security firm to investigate the intrusion on its network, and started to rebuild its system and security.

Johns' complaint echoes the concerns of Sen. Richard Blumenthal, a Connecticut Democrat. Blumenthal yesterday wrote a letter to Jack Tretton, president and chief executive of Sony Computer Entertainment America, saying he was troubled that the company had not notified customers sooner about the breach. He also called for Sony to provide affected customers with financial data security services, including free access to credit reporting services for two years to protect against identity theft.

[Shotgunjim]

If this case is proven, then will this just affect US users or will it be global?

[ptm]

Looks like the 3rd of May is the soonest we'll see service resumed.

[blaggard]

I bet Xbox sales are on the up!

[liveseytowers]

I bet Xbox sales are on the up!

I bet they are, mines seen its first use in months!

[tonys]

It has fuck all to do with where it is stored.

If you are talking about the data protection act then it has everything to do with where the data is stored. If the data is stored in the UK then it is subject to the UK implementation of the DPA, if it is stored in another country then it is subject to their implementation if they have one.

[ptm]

This is quite good - made me chuckle

YouTube - The Sony Song - Because the Playstation Network is STILL down.

Big hat tip to my mate Andy at Geek Native

(Source: http://www.geeknative.com/20090/sony...ve-versus-psn/)

[kracken]

A message form GeoHot

To start, I sure am glad I don't have a PSN account about now. And, as a onetime victim of identity theft, I feel for everyone who's data has been stolen. I'm not going to make cracks at Sony for flipping a shit when /their/ data is compromised, and not even having the decency to apologize when it's your data that's misappropriated.

And to anyone who thinks I was involved in any way with this, I'm not crazy, and would prefer to not have the FBI knocking on my door. Running homebrew and exploring security on your devices is cool, hacking into someone elses server and stealing databases of user info is not cool. You make the hacking community look bad, even if it is aimed at douches like Sony.

One of the things I was contemplating back in early January was a PSN alternative, a place for jailbroken consoles to download homebrew and game without messing up anyone else's experience. Unfortunately events led me off of that path, but gamers, if I had succeeded you would have a place to game online with your PS3 right now. I'm one of the good guys. I used to play games online on PC, I hated cheaters then and I hate them now.

Also, let's not fault the Sony engineers for this, the same way I do not fault the engineers who designed the BMG rootkit. The fault lies with the executives who declared a war on hackers, laughed at the idea of people penetrating the fortress that once was Sony, whined incessantly about piracy, and kept hiring more lawyers when they really needed to hire good security experts. Alienating the hacker community is not a good idea.

Now until more information is revealed on the technicals, I can only speculate, but I bet Sony's arrogance and misunderstanding of ownership put them in this position. Sony execs probably haughtily chuckled at the idea of threat modeling. Traditionally the trust boundary for a web service exists between the server and the client. But Sony believes they own the client too, so if they just put a trust boundary between the consumer and the client(can't trust those pesky consumers), everything is good. Since everyone knows the PS3 is unhackable, why waste money adding pointless security between the client and the server? This arrogance undermines a basic security principle, never trust the client. It's the same reason MW2 was covered in cheaters, EA even admitted to the mistake of trusting Sony's client. Sony needs to accept that they no longer own and control the PS3 when they sell it to you. Notice it's only PSN that gave away all your personal data, not Xbox Live when the 360 was hacked, not iTunes when the iPhone was jailbroken, and not GMail when Android was rooted. Because other companies aren't crazy.

And let's talk about Sony's use of the word illegal. It is illegal, criminally so, to break into someone else's servers. But when the same word is used to refer to streaming a song from a non RIAA approved website, or to *gasp* playing a homebrew game on your PS3, respect for the word and those who say it is lost.

Weighing in quickly on the whole hacker vs cracker thing. I am a hacker. Whoever did this were hackers also. The media will never start using the word cracker. To me, a hacker is just somebody with a set of skills; hacker is to computer as plumber is to pipes. And the same ethics should apply, if you want to mess with the pipes in your own house, go for it. But don't go breaking into people's houses and messing with their pipes. (Note that I do not endorse water piracy)

To the perpetrator, two things. You are clearly talented and will have plenty of money(or a jail sentence and bankruptcy) coming to you in the future. Don't be a dick and sell people's information. And I'd love to see a write up on how it all went down...lord knows we'll never get that from Sony, noobs probably had the password set to '4' or something. I mean, at least it was randomly generated.

posted by George Hotz at 4:51 AM

[raelmadrid]

i like him

[HELPERS]

If you follow the news-both psn and 360 are hacked and full of pricks now-msc asked me to change my passwords this morning again for the 8 time in less than 2 years

for sony its a first but msc had this before them-so now both are fucked and Neither are not safe for any of you LOLOLOL

[evilsatan]

Thank god I have more of a life now. That's not a dig at online gamers as both Live and PSN had me hooked after work but I would be screwing if I was still in my old routine without the ability to play online or to be able to play but modders ruining the experience. Online gaming is awesome so hopefully this will make Sony wake up and improve the security of the service. I'm not sure if modders can still use Xbox Live but as a premium service Microsoft should have sorted it out.

Good read from Geohot.

[DejaVu]

Only just had my confirmation of breach email from Sony. (22:04) Unbelievable. I think I/we should have been informed by Sony days ago before the media told the world.

Incredible Fail and I think they should be penalised hard for it.

The giant needs to be pulled down a few pegs.

[4me2]

Only just had my confirmation of breach email from Sony. (22:04) Unbelievable. I think I/we should have been informed by Sony days ago before the media told the world.

Incredible Fail and I think they should be penalised hard for it.

The giant needs to be pulled down a few pegs.

I've only just had mine now !