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    BBC News Girls treated as commodities, child prostitution

    I remember a similar thing a while back and *some* members tried to deny there was a problem with certain groups targeting young children for sex slavery/prostitution etc. They should bring back the death penalty for these type of crimes.
    Here we have another story from stafford:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-13766736


    Girls treated as commodities, child prostitution trial told

    The men, who are aged between 21 and 59, face more than 50 charges
    Teenage girls were treated as "sexual commodities to be sold or gifted", a jury in a child prostitution trial has been told.
    Nine men deny a range of sexual offences against seven girls in Shropshire.
    The men, who are aged between 21 and 59 and from Telford, face more than 50 charges at Stafford Crown Court.
    Charges include rape, controlling child prostitution and sexual activity with girls under the age of 16.
    'Not about race' One of the defendants is accused of trafficking a child in the UK for exploitation.
    The men on trial are Ahdel Ali, 23, Murbarek Ali, 28, Mohammed Ali Sultan, 24, Tanveer Ahmed, 39, Mahroof Khan, 33, Noshad Hussain, 21, Mohammed Islam Choudhrey, 52, Mohammed Younis, 59 and 34-year-old Abdul Rouf.
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    They enticed the girls, groomed the girls and exploited them either for their own sexual gratification or for money.”
    End Quote Deborah Gould Prosecuting
    They deny all of the charges, which relate to the alleged sexual abuse and exploitation of girls in Wellington between September 2007 and December 2009.
    The victims are seven teenage girls, one of whom was 13 years old at the time the alleged offences were committed.
    The girls, who cannot be identified, were said to have received cash, alcohol, drugs, meals and mobile phone credit in exchange for sex with some of the defendants.
    Deborah Gould, prosecuting, said the men in the dock had variously trafficked, raped or sexually abused girls, both over and under the age of 16, over a considerable period of time.
    'Myths without foundation' She said the case was not about race, religion, colour or creed and it was not claimed that the men had a specific interest in children or that it was a "paedophile ring".
    The prosecutor told the jury that the defendants may seek to paint the victims as anti-social, dishonest, untruthful and promiscuous young women who lived entirely selfish lives and could not be controlled by parents or teachers.
    She said: "These are myths without foundation. The prosecution claim these men ensnared these girls. They had cars, jobs and money which gave them both freedom and power.
    "They enticed the girls, groomed the girls and exploited them either for their own sexual gratification or for money."
    She said some of the girls thought they were in love with their abusers and that the abusers were in love with them.
    "The abusers gave them gifts, encouraged confidences and gave them attention and encouraged and enticed the girls to spend time with them and not their family and friends.
    Teachers' concerns "Through such mechanisms all of these defendants were able to engage in various forms of sexual activity with various of the girls named in the charges.
    "Some went further still and treated them as sexual commodities to be sold or gifted as they pleased."
    Eight of the defendants live in the Wellington and Arleston areas of Telford, six are married and one is a grandfather.
    The jury was told the trial was the result of a West Mercia Police inquiry, codenamed Operation Chalice, which started after concerns were raised by teachers, parents and others about sexual abuse and exploitation of teenage girls in the Wellington area.
    The trial continues
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    Default Re: Girls treated as commodities, child prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Detector View Post
    I remember a similar thing a while back and *some* members tried to deny there was a problem with certain groups targeting young children for sex slavery/prostitution etc. They should bring back the death penalty for these type of crimes.
    By 'certain groups', do you mean paedophi1es?

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    of course they are ped0's, forcing girls under 16 to have sex and 'swapping' them like meat is no other word for them.
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    It seems 'some members' have an obsession with 'certain groups'. Maybe 'some members' should come clean with their political affiliations.
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    @pattikins if your refering to me, i have no political affiliations. in my eyes we are all equal, whatever race, colour or creed.

    this is about a problem that is being denied by certain people as being non existant but it is a big issue in society as a whole.

    lastly dont think im racist in any way talking about these people, theres good and bad in all society - look at the recent news about the ped0's who made millions out of a website/forum that was selling access to cat 1 material. the issue at hand is the big problem that is happening all over the country and that girls (and in some cases boys) are being used and abused by gangs of criminal ped0philes for their own sexual gratifications. what i cannot get my head around is why the community as a whole is not standing up to this and trying to put a stop to it.

    britain today is a multicultural society which i believe has been for the better in most cases but ill say again, if you have one group that seems to stand out more than the rest doing these kind of things then it SHOULD be discussed and not swept under any carpet or the OP accused of anything other than discussion.
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    fuck me thats rather intelligent for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Detector View Post
    @pattikins if your refering to me, i have no political affiliations. in my eyes we are all equal, whatever race, colour or creed.
    I'm glad to here it. You do seem to be lumping millions of people together, as though they're some sort of homogenous group that are aware of the criminal activities of a few.
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    no m8, you misunderstand me. im targeting the criminals within not the people as a whole. it is a problem and one that needs to be addressed.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13763650

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    Child victims failed by justice system, says Barnardo's

    Children found trials a traumatic experience, Barnardo's said
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    A children's charity says child victims of sexual exploitation have been "failed by the system" because convictions are so hard to achieve.
    Official figures show there were 89 child sexual exploitation convictions in England and Wales in 2009.
    But Barnardo's says it is aware of 2,756 child victims of offences such as grooming and trafficking.
    The government said a plan for police and other agencies on how to better tackle the problem is to be published.
    According to Barnardo's, sexual exploitation cases were often dropped because of insufficient evidence, and there was an over-reliance on the victims as witnesses.
    Barnardo's chief executive Anne Marie Carrie said the children were being let down "terribly".
    "They are being failed twice; once by the failure to prevent them becoming victims in the first place and again by the failure to punish their abusers and secure justice.
    "We need to see drastic changes to make sure the abusers who control such vulnerable children for sex and personal gain are brought to book."
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    When children do have the courage to take the stand, we need to make sure that they have the support that they deserve.”
    End Quote Anne Marie Carrie Barnardo's chief executive
    The term child sexual exploitation covers a range of activity.
    It also includes arranging a child sexual offence, meeting a child following grooming, paying for the sexual services of a child and inciting child prostitution or pornography.
    Mrs Carrie said trials could be "traumatic and painful experiences for children".
    "And when children do have the courage to take the stand, we need to make sure that they have the support that they deserve the whole way through the process."
    The charity intends to launch a study to assess the role of the local safeguarding children's boards (LSCB) in securing prosecutions against perpetrators of child sexual exploitation.
    LSCBs are statutory bodies responsible for protecting children and young people from significant harm and for promoting their welfare.
    Statistics show that for prosecutions brought under other sections of the Sexual Offences Act in 2009, 41% resulted in convictions for rape of a child under 13, and 37% for sexual assault of a child under 13, and a total of 501 people were found guilty.
    The Ministry of Justice said overall more than 1,500 people were convicted of sexual offences against children in 2009.
    A spokesperson said: "We are determined to support children within the justice system. They are only required to give evidence where absolutely necessary, and measures taken to protect them include children giving evidence by video-link, or being supported by an intermediary in court."
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    That is an interesting Barnardo's report, and it looks like they agree with you Det. The majority of middle eastern men are child pimping ped0's.

    if you have one group that seems to stand out more than the rest doing these kind of things then it SHOULD be discussed and not swept under any carpet or the OP accused of anything other than discussion.
    It's not a discussion if we are only looking at one part of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrush View Post
    That is an interesting Barnardo's report, and it looks like they agree with you Det. The majority of middle eastern men are child pimping ped0's.



    It's not a discussion if we are only looking at one part of the problem.
    nothing new then lol..one of the worst forms of this ive seen was when i was in Canada and watched a documentry on a banned afghan traiditon of "bacha bazi" I have never watched anything before where I physyically felt sick and disturbed.(You can watch it online on PBS)

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    Clearly there is a cultural clash. It seems these men come from regions where this practice seems tolerated and maybe even the norm. Clearly in civilised society it's abhorrent, but thats what happens when 1st world and 3rd world cultures collide.

    You could argue that your £3 jeans from George at Asda, which are probably made by the hands of child slaves in sweat shops across the indian subcontinent, are part of the same problem. However, as westerners who want ever cheaper goods we're happy in this instance of child abuse to turn a blind eye as long as we are getting cheaper clothes. Our need for ever increasing cheaper goods also maintains the poverty gap between 1st and 3rd world nations and by doing so these nations cannot lift themselves out of the dark ages. These societies can't become more civilised without more of the things that wealth brings, such as education and proper health care.

    I'm afraid it's far too simple to point the finger at one race of people or one country and suggest they are the problem. Because of globalisation we're all part of the problem. Instead of simply turning this into an issue of race, maybe a little introspection is required to see if we can live our lives any differently in order to create a world where everyone has the rights we do.

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    My missus works as a Fashion Designer for a top British brand. She regularly has to visit China, India, Portugal to check the factories for a whole host of reasons (quality of work, fabrics etc..).

    They take an 'Ethical' office with them to ensure that the factory are not breaking the rules, but these visits are always scheduled...
    That aside, they workers have actually spoken to her a few times. They have asked things like:
    'Why do you need so many clothes? We finish work, wash our uniform and dry it ready for the next day'
    They also point out that they work in the factories, where they sleep and eat pretty much like an open prison, and do not see their families for months and months on end.

    It is the way they live, so no matter if they are 9 or 29, at some point in some countries, this is the life they will live.

    We have some Chinese engineers over at the moment. Very clever guys, young, married etc... They (all 3 of them) have worn the same clothes every day for the last few months now, every day!
    I am pretty certain they do the same, go home and wash them ready for the next day....

    I am not saying it is right, but it is inevitable for most cultures.
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    @czar i agree totally m8, its a cultural clash in some instances, in others it may be people who are english so that would be a problem not about culture but society?
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    @czar if this is correct (from the link below) whats your thoughts?

    http://electricsky.forumotion.co.uk/...-by-immigrants
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    there is definately something very wrong somewhere.
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