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    Quote Originally Posted by -X- View Post
    seems to me it came about at an ideal time with their fit and propper bid, thats if it gets picked up on properly,
    after H was jailed during a ruling which set a precident, then i think they themselves appear to have broken this law.
    that can be proven. but worse its there competors codes.
    they brought this situation about and H appears to be playing on it.
    what came out from the show is there is proof nds brioke the law, mix that with the other hacking scandal and it doesnt sound good for them.
    There isn't proof they broke the law there is proof several people on there payroll did which is a totally different thing as they will claim they acted alone, unauthorised actions, maverick employees etc so unless you have evidence of contact concerning this above Adams etc then it would end with them and you know full well they will claim no knowledge. Lee Gibling would not make a credible witness he embellished the truth in the program to say the least.

    There are obvious motives behind the BBC digging this all up and making a program now which to be honest to me say more about the BBC than Murdoc's empire and who is pulling there strings, I don't think H's case set a precedent either as he pleaded guilty and to set a precedent it would need to be a contested case.

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    Hi
    this might help prove a few things
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    removed link to emails
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    bb what i meant was he was the first person to be charged with offering a hacking advisory service which appears thats what thoic was.
    as far as i know thats why he done the show to make this point and try to prove it, using the icq logs etc.
    poss i misunderstood ths situation.

    lou as a side note can u edit out the names of the people lee grassed up in those emails before you do. i know from reading there is a few people adress etc in there

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    did anyone see the sky news regarding this, they practically buried it. so much for imparital and free reporting eh.
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    Hi
    for some reason last nights program only went into the ondigital thing, which was a minor part of all the shit.....
    http://www.afr.com/p/business/market...F9qtJdEtXD2YYP

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    RFC Headers:


    From: Gutman, Avigail
    To: Adams, Ray
    Date: 2/10/2000 11:59:30 PM
    Subject: RE: clarification
    ------------------------------
    Ray,


    Agreed. Sorry.


    I have thus far sent you the "plan" and an update as to where we stand
    now.


    The only thing we have inquired with the ISP is how to set up a
    firewall there. There will be NO entrances into the server without
    your (and Lee's) permission, and in anycase this cannot happen before
    Feb 15th (as indicated in my two earlier emails regarding the "plan")
    I will also ask Avi to copy you on any and all of his mails to the
    source.


    Awaiting your thoughts and suggestions on the plan and suggested
    action items I sent on Tuesday.


    Regards


    Avigail


    p.s. I am back in Asia now...


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Adams, Ray
    Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 8:49 PM
    To: Gutman, Avigail
    Subject: RE: clarification




    It was the request to Le for passwords and then the letter of
    authority to speak to the Server Provider that caught me by surprise.
    If you are in dialogue with anyone, including Avi, or giving anyone
    instructions that in any way impacts or concerns THOIC then I insist
    on being copied and kept up to date. I do not want to find out
    second hand. I may or may not have a view on any of your thoughts,
    but, I created THOIC and still consider it my baby.



    Apart from that I have no knowledge of Avi whatsoever, how he thinks,
    what his plans are etc.


    Ray


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gutman, Avigail
    Sent: 07 February 2000 21:35
    To: Adams, Ray
    Subject: clarification


    Sorry Ray, I thought we had discussed Avi Sarfati's involvement when
    we met last week. Avi was to be the "architect", as you called it, for
    the data-security systems and his role is merely to find the best way
    to close the holes in the current server setup.


    Avi has been a member of the Jerusalem team for over two years,
    managing data security issues (amongst other issues, he handles CA
    server architecture at customer uplink sites, etc). You may recall
    that he gave a joint presentation with Mal at last March's security
    conference in Jerusalem.


    Thus far he has only looked at the configuration of the two servers
    and has spoken to the ISP to find out whether they would be willing to
    implement an authorization system and firewall there, until we can
    move the servers in-house.


    I apologize if I didn't explain this well enough. I believe we need
    Avi's involvement.


    Regards


    Avigail


    p.s. Avi does have pgp and is on the company ring. I will send you his
    key under separate cover.










    -----Original Message-----
    From: Adams, Ray
    Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 9:41 PM
    To: Gutman, Avigail
    Subject:




    Avigail.




    I understand from Lee that Avi sarfati has been given password access
    to THOIC and now also has a letter of authority to spaek and deal with
    the Server providers in the USA.


    I would have appreciated you telling me this yourself.


    I have no idea who Avi is at all. I appreciate that he has your
    approval but I must be informed. I am also surprised that he is not
    on pgp.


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    Subject: a bit sus
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    From: THOiC Networks© <webmaster@thoic.com>
    To: radams@ndsuk.com
    Date: 3/8/2001 3:56:10 AM
    Subject: a bit sus
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    Chris has moderator access to this forum - I gave him the login and
    pass, but can't remeber the pass myself -


    i think the login is: Mad Bastard (case sensitive)
    and the pass is: removed


    If not,


    Get Chris to see this thread....
    http://digital-forums.com/forum/show...threadid=17497


    That user MC... look at this profile here,
    http://digital-forums.com/forum/memb...fo&userid=1574
    2


    Registered on 5 March 2001 and already has 328 posts :-)


    Something aint right


    Raptor posted 3 minutes later - I don't think so. MC is a user setup
    by Raptor for this execise (whatever that may be) something fishy and
    it ain't right. I know that Raptor has this week returned from the
    Far East. Please have a word with Chris asap on this one.




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    From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?THOiC_Networks=A9?= <webmaster@thoic.com>
    To: radams@ndsuk.com
    Subject: 4u
    Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:31:14 +0000
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    From: THOiC Networks© <webmaster@thoic.com>
    To: radams@ndsuk.com
    Date: 11/21/2000 11:31:14 PM
    Subject: 4u
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    See this post


    http://digital-forums.com/digital/Fo...ML/000029.html


    I too have heard a similar story from someone completely unconnected
    to these forums Ray - eminating from the Castle Vale area of
    Birmingham.


    btw I have managed to get around their security


    the Admin login and pass for the forum there is
    login: ramraid
    pass: removed


    This will at least allow Chris and the team to read through the
    private areas on there.


    The admin pass will also allow any lookup on user id's where their
    email is hidden in the forums.




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    Fingers, pies and hearsay.

    I hate seeing old news being dragged up just to add fuel to the fire to feed the media.
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    From: Coulthurst, Andy
    To: Adams, Ray
    Withall, Len
    Lemaitre, Chris
    Date: 4/29/2000 12:59:10 AM
    Subject: Skydigital PPV Hack.
    ------------------------------
    All,


    As no-one seems to believe me - I thought I'd share with you the posting of a
    Thoic Moderator ( not even paid by us ) :-))




    Andy.
    ===========================================================================


    Author Topic: Sky hack - The facts
    BigBird


    Moderator


    Posts: 298
    From:UK
    Registered: Jul 1999
    posted 25 April 2000 01:00
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    Just to clarify this issue which has appeared in various forums, and elsewhere on the web, and maybe save you some cash.
    There is no hack available for Sky D. PPV.
    The power supply across the phone input DOES NOT WORK. Yes it gives you the movies without the phone line but, I guarantee you will eventually be billed for movies watched when the line is reconnected, regardless of how long you leave it.


    There is no 'secret' engineer menu. Just a 'hidden' installation menu. It does nothing to aid free PPV. It's mention as a 'secret' menu is a bluff to fool people into thinking they have stumbled across something they shouldn't have.


    These are the facts. If anyone tells you differently - they are lying or misinformed.


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    Hmmm I remember dealing with doubters a long time ago m8 and they got proved to be wrong.
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    I just watched this tonight on V+ and although never knew all the details of the 'behind the scenes' stuff, it was certainly informative to an extent. I'm sure there's more to come.

    Also to FR15K, I agree 1 rule should be for all - you paid heavily and LG seems to rest on his laurels scot free.

    Brought back a few memories did that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Realist View Post
    Fingers, pies and hearsay.

    I hate seeing old news being dragged up just to add fuel to the fire to feed the media.
    I hear what you're saying but there are people who have done time because of NDS and the info they collected on people through Thoic.

    NDS were also intercepting private emails which is a crime in itself. I can accept NDS setting up a site to trap people because that's what they do but not when they are also guilty of the same crime they were sending people to prison for.

    As BFG said
    Also to FR15K, I agree 1 rule should be for all - you paid heavily and LG seems to rest oh his laurels scot free.


    And anyway in my opinion it may be old news but With the phone hacking scandal and the Ofcom enquiry going on this news is probably more relevant now than it was at the time.

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    I agree; as I've stated in the other thread, Avigail's 'God Forbid' e-mail could come back to haunt the Murdochs big time, just as the 'For Neville' one has undermined their whole bullshit defence that they knew nothing.

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    Hi
    this worked well then (not) ==> http://order-order.com/2012/03/23/mu...he-front-page/
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    I find it ironic that it may prove to be another woman that unravels this whole NDS saga. Just as Rebekah Brooks said 'just wait until the truth really comes out', then a scorned Avigail Gutman and her 'God Forbid if Lee Gibling ever gets exposed' e-mail might back her into enough of a corner under investigation to want to hang Rupert's posse out to dry for a second time.

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    Isn't Avigail a bloke?
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    No you confusing her with Mr safarti

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Bouncer View Post
    There isn't proof they broke the law there is proof several people on there payroll did which is a totally different thing as they will claim they acted alone, unauthorised actions, maverick employees etc so unless you have evidence of contact concerning this above Adams etc then it would end with them and you know full well they will claim no knowledge. Lee Gibling would not make a credible witness he embellished the truth in the program to say the least.

    There are obvious motives behind the BBC digging this all up and making a program now which to be honest to me say more about the BBC than Murdoc's empire and who is pulling there strings, I don't think H's case set a precedent either as he pleaded guilty and to set a precedent it would need to be a contested case.
    They conspired as a team to break the law.

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