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    BBC News More than 2,000 O2 'porn pirates' to be sent letters

    More than 2,000 O2 'porn pirates' to be sent letters

    More than 2,000 O2 customers will receive letters accusing them of illegally downloading porn films.

    The firm behind the films - Ben Dover Productions - had originally applied to the High Court to pursue 9,000 cases on behalf of a range of copyright owners.
    The judge threw out all claims apart from those relating to Ben Dover and watered down the wording of letters.
    Parent company Golden Eye did not rule out the possibility that it would be pursuing other ISPs in the future.
    To date, it has only requested a court order to pursue alleged copyright infringers on O2's network but this may be extended to other ISPs.
    "Golden Eye (Int) Ltd continues to monitor all ISPs for our titles and pursue online and physical forms of piracy of our content," managing director Julian Becker told the BBC.
    Letters seeking recompense for alleged copyright offences will start going out to 2,845 O2 customers in August.
    The Citizens Advice Bureau has agreed to help those who feel they have been wrongly accused.

    Final letterThe judge who granted permission for the case to go ahead has put strict limitations on how letters are worded to avoid the "pay up or else" style letters sent by law firm ACS Law.
    Golden Eye will not be able to demand a one-off £700 fine as it had originally wished, instead money owed will be determined on a case-by-case basis.
    The letters also make people aware of the help available to them from Citizens Advice, with links to the website and telephone numbers.
    And perhaps most crucially the letters cannot hold the bill payer liable if someone else used their internet connection to download illegal material.
    The final letter, a copy of which has been obtained by the BBC, reads: "In the event that you were not responsible for the infringing acts outlined above, for example, another member of your household was the user of the computer, you should make full disclosure to us of the other parties at your residence using your internet connection."
    PDF downloadThe letter that accused O2 customers will receive[252KB]
    It is not clear how the bill holder should respond if they think that material was downloaded by someone illegally accessing an unsecured home wi-fi connection.
    Citizens' rights group Consumer Focus, which has followed the case closely, is pleased by the concessions.
    'No option'"We do not condone copyright infringement, but innocent people should not feel bullied into settling claims and they must be made aware of where to go for help," said Mike O'Connor, chief executive of Consumer Focus.
    "That is why we are working with the Citizens Advice service to provide clear advice to consumers about what to do if they are accused of copyright infringement," he added.
    The group has also written to the UK's major ISPs asking that they make sure that any application to hand over consumers' personal data is supported by appropriate an consistent evidence of possible wrongdoing.
    O2 is believed to be in the process of handing over names and addresses to Golden Eye.
    It told the BBC: "We have no option but to comply with this court order and will be co-operating fully."

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    Default Re: More than 2,000 O2 'porn pirates' to be sent letters

    Who watches that shit anyone..? a wrinkled old codger banging a bunch of over-tanned slappers, with their Transform fake tits on Direct Debit.
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    Default Re: More than 2,000 O2 'porn pirates' to be sent letters

    It's all about sandbag porn. Army lad shagging a women.with no arms or legs.

    Fuck yeah.
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    Default Re: More than 2,000 O2 'porn pirates' to be sent letters

    The question I would like the answer to is does copyright apply to material deemed to be illegal within the UK or can it be enforced, I presume this question/point has not been raised either because there is already a president, the claims are only on material that can be legally sold within the UK or they have not considered that angle.

    IE: can you be requested to pay for something within the UK that you can't legally own or legally purchase.

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    Default Re: More than 2,000 O2 'porn pirates' to be sent letters

    Hardcore pornography was 'lapsed' in the UK in 2002. This was in light of the internet being so easily accessible to UK Adults and would have been an unenforceable law. Hardcore pornography can now be sold in the UK.

    However, what the government deems as 'extreme pornography' is still very much illegal - I guess things like 2 girls one cup and child pornography, unfortunately there are countries that are more 'lapse' on child pornography.

    Most things are inaccessible to us anyway due to a 'cleanfeed' system put in place a few years ago by BT, closely followed by all other ISP's.

    Seeing as Ben Dover Productions have copywritten all their videos and their website and are not deemed as 'extreme pornography', they are in their right to pursue this case.

    Whether it is worth it for 9,000 02 cases begs the question, is it worth it? I think they are testing the water to pursue more cases in the future.

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    Default Re: More than 2,000 O2 'porn pirates' to be sent letters

    Quote Originally Posted by DejaVu View Post
    Hardcore pornography was 'lapsed' in the UK in 2002. This was in light of the internet being so easily accessible to UK Adults and would have been an unenforceable law. Hardcore pornography can now be sold in the UK.

    However, what the government deems as 'extreme pornography' is still very much illegal - I guess things like 2 girls one cup and child pornography, unfortunately there are countries that are more 'lapse' on child pornography.

    Most things are inaccessible to us anyway due to a 'cleanfeed' system put in place a few years ago by BT, closely followed by all other ISP's.

    Seeing as Ben Dover Productions have copywritten all their videos and their website and are not deemed as 'extreme pornography', they are in their right to pursue this case.

    Whether it is worth it for 9,000 02 cases begs the question, is it worth it? I think they are testing the water to pursue more cases in the future.
    Lets try a slightly different angle then, I reply I didn't download it my 17 year old son did and he is not of legal age to purchase it who is responsible in that case, can they then go after the parents/guardians of the 17 year old? I presume they can't try and get money off the 17 year old as they would then be charging him for something he wasn't legally allowed to have.

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    Without the pay up or go to court threat this is just a pointless bit of junk mail from the point of view of both sender an recipient.

    Still the postmen need the work.

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    Default Re: More than 2,000 O2 'porn pirates' to be sent letters

    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Bouncer View Post
    Lets try a slightly different angle then, I reply I didn't download it my 17 year old son did and he is not of legal age to purchase it who is responsible in that case, can they then go after the parents/guardians of the 17 year old? I presume they can't try and get money off the 17 year old as they would then be charging him for something he wasn't legally allowed to have.
    Reminds me of when my little brother (aged around 8) filled in a form in a magazine and joined some form of club that gave you a few cd's free then forced you to buy x amount every so often at their rip off prices.

    When a bill came through and my mum hit the roof, I sent a letter explaining their were invoicing a debt and it is illegal to provide credit to under 18's so they weren't getting a penny of us, although we did return the cd's. Probably could have kept them but that would have been a pisstake.

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    Default Re: More than 2,000 O2 'porn pirates' to be sent letters

    Where exactly can I download this pirate porn you speak of... the link just takes me to a BBC news site?

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