Been offered new job

[ant3b]

Hello,

Been offered a new job I got interviewed for its for 22k.

Which is better than my wage now.

Thing is I like working were I am.

Is it cheeky to ask my boss for pay rise? and explain that I like working for the company?

ta

[BigBrand]

Never cheeky to ask, explain how you feel your work deserves it, especially if your below market value. And that although you're happy in your job, financial hardship has lead you to look at what money is like elsewhere and you feel for what you're qualified for, your underpaid compared to other jobs in that sector.

He'll either tell you to fuck off or run it up to HR and give you £500.

Either way, fuck it off and take more money.

Time waits for no one son.

[littlebilly1]

How does the new job compare with your current job? Is it the same work, same hours? If so then there's Absolutley no reason not too ask for a pay rise in my opinion


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[ant3b]

£500 need abit more than that lol

But i see where your coming from

thanks

Thing is no-one has had pay rises for close to 4 years now. Due to the recession.

If I get one it would go against this?

[DJ OD]

All depends on how valued you are as an employee. If they want you to stay, they will have to pay.

Explain to them the cost implication of trying to advertise and find a suitable candidate to replace you.


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[maltloaf]

it's really hard to advise mate because it's all about several things, but mainly how they view your worth in the company. If there would be a hundred capable people lined up to do your job for the current money, you won't get a raise. If they genuinely fear losing their talent to another company because you can't easily be replaced then yes there's a decent chance.

Personally I'd be completely honest. I'd say I liked the firm and wanted to stay but an offer on the table was making that difficult. Evidence (letter/whatever) would help as they would know then that you're not just taking a chance.

[liveseytowers]

What technologies will you get exposure to at the new job? And how far is it to travel? You're going no where at capita so I'd say you should be looking to move on. If you'll get more experience at the new job use it as a stepping stone to something better.

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[ant3b]

Livesey not much different really. Maybe get some SQL exposure and citrix but i use that at the Blackburn office now.

Ill take a hit of 2k in the long run after my on call and odd bits of overtime.

But the basic is better

[gandalf72]

I think in this day and age asking for pay rise will either get you what you want or end up annoying them. Employers these days know they can pay as little as they want and get away with it safe in the knowledge that there are thousands looking for roles. Stupid adverts claiming you can earn 50k in IT has meant a surge of people doing these courses and demand for IT jobs by job seekers outstripping availability.

I don't think it would do any harm to ask ant3b but realistically before you do ensure you have all your ducks lined up as some employers can be ruthless and harbour grudges for those that do and give in to the request or demand of employee only for them to later regret it.

IF the new role is something that would benefit you long term and gain you more experience but end up in you being potentially out of pocket it may be worth it short term to take the new role if it was a small hit you could live with as when the market changes you may be in a better position to move further up the ladder with your new skills for better pay.

Either way, I wish you the best with your decision and congratulations on the opportunity you have.

[CzarJunkie]

It all depends on how valuable an employee you are, how big the business is and if the cost/hassle of replacing you is cheaper than a pay rise. If it's a big business then replacing you or getting others to cover your work will be simple and you probably won;t be missed.

If it's a small company and you have a mission critical position then you have plenty to bargain with.

We've just had a situation where an employee came and asked us for more money but we had to refuse. She'd only been with us for a year and she wasn't critical to the day to day running of the business. She handed her notice in the following week and we're replacing her with an Apprentice.

[GTI]

You're in a fortunate position that you have somewhere else to go if they say No. And if they say No, then clearly they don't value you so you win both ways. Having worked in the Pharma industry for approaching 10 years has made me a mercenary cunt, I have a skill which a company either wants to pay for or it doesn't, if not there are plenty more who will.

[flumperino]

As per the advice above, there are so many variables.

All I will say is don't underestimate the value of doing a job that you like. A different job might give you a few extra dollars, but if you're not as happy then it may not be worth it.

[Mr Men]

If you Dont ask you dont get you have nothing to lose by sitting down with the powers that be, My only thing would be Whatever you choose to do you need to be Happy.

If your not whats the fucking point it just becomes a total fucking grind without no Laughter

I,ve been there and believe me I would choose Happiness and Job satisfaction over the loot.

Good Luck on whatever you do choose to do.

[Sanj[UK]]

Hello,

Been offered a new job I got interviewed for its for 22k.

Which is better than my wage now.

Thing is I like working were I am.

Is it cheeky to ask my boss for pay rise? and explain that I like working for the company?

ta

I was in a similar boat to you a few years back. This is what narrowed it down to me-

-The pay rise for the new job was 4k
-The new employer was a huge IT company so chances of progression were smaller then say my current employer
-Told my line manager i had been offered a new job with a competitor for an extra £8k with training certs
-We negotiated, i got the training (exams + material paid for), allowed to have more responsibility (going on call + oncall allowances) and a £6k raise

The options you have available dont come often..make your moves wisely.

Its never cheeky to ask for a payrise, ive been doing that shit since i was 16

[Lou_smorals]

Hi
on the other hand, a few years back I was in a job paying about £28k (gross) company car, private health etc., over the years I had built up a level of trust that I came and went as I pleased and dealt directly with the managing director...was regularly called by "head hunters" one day I was having a bad day and was particularly flattered by one offering the earth......mega new car £5k more and loads of opportunity .....I made the biggest mistake of my life and accepted....after I had been there for six months I realized they had no intention of fulfilling any of their promises, I was in the same position I had been in years before (but with stupid title) and Director later admitted that it wasnt that they wanted me, they just didnt want my old employer to have me......my old employer, who trusted me and gave me full access to everything felt betrayed and deceived and would never have me back....then new company went bust....
So I wish I could turn clock back......oh and I hate Citrix!
LS

[Sanj[UK]]

You're going no where at capita so I'd say you should be looking to move on

Thats what Capita Connections is for

[Over Carl]

Everyone has to look out after number 1 first, which is probably what the company have been thinking when not offering what you would consider a reasonable rise without prompting.

Some companies are really financially hurting and are struggling to make ends meet, while some others are just using this as an excuse to give their staff an effective pay cut by not keeping pace with inflation.

I wouldn't suggest to intentionally read private data as this would be a breach of RIPA but if you are in a support role you may inadvertantly see things on screens/print outs while just trying to do your job - my last firm were claiming to be broke to most of the staff, but I could see directors were still having fun with company money, and one department were still being given bonuses.

I defintely believe in the old saying - if you don't ask you won't get. You have another real offer so by not taking it, you are actually loosing X amount per pay cheque by staying and keeping your mouth closed which your employer won't appreciate until prompted.

If for example your current employer has funded shed loads of training or been sympathetic to massive personal circumstances or similar, I can understand a reason for staying even if they don't match your current offer. However you must remember your primary loyalty is to yourself and not your employer - the days for a career with one employer for life seems to have ended well before I started working.

Also I've noticed some employers expect some crazy loyalty to their firm with no consideration of the employee's circumstances so even if you get your pay rise now as they have no choice, you may find someone has put a black mark against your name to come up somewhere later.

However on the flip side - after a period (forgot whether it's 6, 18 or 24 months), your current employer has to actually provide grounds for dismissal (assuming you aren't agency/contractor or on a fixed term contract). If you move to a new one, you will be on your probationary period for a while in which they can sack you without even specifying a reason.

I recently heard of someone who left their highly paid and stable solicitor's position to move to another more prestigous firm. The fella was apparently geniuinely ill on the 3rd day in - that got him sacked and the directors concerned treated the matter as the office joke. Also know of someone else who just left a PR firm for a more prestigous one, new firm said they had no issue with her not knowing much about their specialised field. Now into the job she's found all the promised support hasn't materialised and she's really struggling.

Then I'll end with my story - in my last job I managed to negotiate a 20% pay rise after my first year on the back of the immense hours I felt I had no choice to put in. Can't remember how but I managed to pull off another 25% the next year even when the company had announced no pay rises across the board. By the end of my third year I was pretty pissed off as I realised I was pulling around 5 people's weight (including that of my boss) and started making waves again which ended up with me being unemployed. Biggest paycut possible but I doubt I would still have any remains of sanity left if I was still there so I'm not complaining.