700meg 720p BD rips...what gives?

[{{909}}]

I've just watched God Bless America off my HTPC in what looked to be standard 720p video. Granted the movie had very few fast scenes where a high bitrate would be needed, but when i came to look at the file I noticed it is a piddling 690meg.

I've always been a stickler for quality and my 2TB drive is full of 720p BD rips ranging from 4.6gig up to 15gig a pop, have I been pissing my bandwidth and HDD space away for nothing?

[liveseytowers]

I guess the question is can you tell the difference between this 700MB film and a 4.6GB film? Audio takes up loads of space. I try and download stuff in with MA HD DTS which makes the films massive, especially if they have multiple audio tracks. I'm assuming that a 700MB has mp3 2.0 audio?

[macmilm]

Noticed a few 700ish mb 720p files recently... not really noticed drop on quality TBH
I guess they just have 2.0 stereo as opposed to DD5.1 not bothered checking

[Mr.James]

There's a torrent site that specialises in small HD rips. The name escapes me but a guy at work swears by them. Usually the have only a single stereo English channel. Rather than multiple audio streams in different qualities and languages. The video bitrate is also considerably reduced.


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[{{909}}]

yeah the movie only has 2.0 sound, but at the moment I only have the TVs speakers as my output anyway. I went through all my large mkv's a while ago and stripped surplus audio tracks out of them, at the most that was a gig of a 5 or 6gig file, so theres still a big drop in video bitrate with these 700meg rips.

Looking at it again, it does look a little soft, although that's probably me just wanting to see something bad about it. I'll probably be less of a bitrate snob when it comes to movies I am not overly bothered about, or shite for the missus.

Watched Carlitos way from a 6gig rip today and I was trying to convince myself it looks so much better, did look fucking great though

[EvilBoB]

The new 700-ish meg BRRIPS are encoded very well. If you are really looking for differences you will see them but to be honest this is like the difference between £5 a meter and £50 a meter for speaker cable. Unless you are a TRUE stickler and using the very, very, very best equipment hardly anyone would notice.

Encoding has come on leaps and bounds. I'm assuming these 700 meg rips are MKVs. If you think about it a 720p movie is 4.5gig (roughly) for a 2 hour film. As most TV shows are 45 mins or thereabouts seeing a rip of 1.5gb wouldn't be unreasonable. With multiple passes on the encoding and a small drop in quality you will find it quite easy to get it to fit in under a gig.

I used to be mental for the highest quality rips but these days I don't even bother downloading HD stuff most of the time. I just can't be arsed an the encoding of videos is a lot better than it was 5 years ago.

[CominAtcha]

1080p 15-20 gig beasts for me every time I'm afraid. Downloaded a BDrip Xvid the other day of some slush for the Missus and I personally thought it looked shit.

[EvilBoB]

An XVID would be a BRRIP (Encoded from bluray). If it's labelled as a BDRip then it's not a true scene release and therefore quality will be hit and miss. I've seen some shocking rips from newsgroups and what people have downloaded from torrents. One click encoding is terrible. Stick with scene releases and you will see a massive difference over these crap torrent releases.

[CominAtcha]

You're probably right on the Xvid there.

But as for scene quality, I actually find the opposite on the site I use. 'teh scene' tend to pump out the stuff fairly quickly as they're all trying to beat each other. Whereas the site I use, while listing the scene stuff, also has members who do their own encodes, using the original source and it's always a fuck tonne better. But of course, also a fuck tonne larger in file size!

[EvilBoB]

If it's a true scene release there are rules they need to follow. There are many p2p "scene" groups that are out there. They mostly don't follow these rules.

[emu]

thought i would grab a few movies from here https://yify-torrents.com/home


i grabbed book of eli 1080,brave 720 ,rise of the guardians 720 and end of watch 720


i use my ps3 to play all these and i got to say the quality is fantastic for the size


i do think the ps3 does a good job on the image output, i think i am only going to be grabbing films this size now and no bigger

[braymond]

The new 700-ish meg BRRIPS are encoded very well. If you are really looking for differences you will see them but to be honest this is like the difference between £5 a meter and £50 a meter for speaker cable. Unless you are a TRUE stickler and using the very, very, very best equipment hardly anyone would notice.

Encoding has come on leaps and bounds. I'm assuming these 700 meg rips are MKVs. If you think about it a 720p movie is 4.5gig (roughly) for a 2 hour film. As most TV shows are 45 mins or thereabouts seeing a rip of 1.5gb wouldn't be unreasonable. With multiple passes on the encoding and a small drop in quality you will find it quite easy to get it to fit in under a gig.

I used to be mental for the highest quality rips but these days I don't even bother downloading HD stuff most of the time. I just can't be arsed an the encoding of videos is a lot better than it was 5 years ago.

I would have to totally disagree with your analogy . There is a massive difference in visual quality which is clearly visible between a 700mb encode and a 10 gig high bit rate one . It's visible quite easily and cannot be disputed unless you are partially sighted. Whereas i sincerely doubt anyone could hear the difference between a 5 quid and 50 quid metre speaker cable (they might think they do having paid 50 quid mtr!) even if they heard a difference there is nothing to say it would better just different . there is no scientific proof regarding speaker cable despite what manufacturers tell you and most "proper" engineers believe it to be hokum.
Back on topic encoding has improved but playback one of those rips on a decent 50" plasma and the difference is night and day

[{{909}}]

Back on topic encoding has improved but playback one of those rips on a decent 50" plasma and the difference is night and day

Like the 50" panasonic I watched the movie on?

[emu]

Watching mine on my Panasonic g10 loving these rips .decided to grab the whole collection of movies of scores 8 and over lol

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[Mr.James]

thought i would grab a few movies from here https://yify-torrents.com/home

That's the site the guy at work goes to. He says he can't tell a massive difference between them and the 10+gb 1080s he's used to.


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[beerman]

A 700mb rip will never look as good as a 10GB rip, period. Anyone who thinks they look the same is blind or is just saying that to justify the disk space saving.

If you have the disk to save them and the bandwidth to download them available I would recommend the larger rips everytime.

[braymond]

Like the 50" panasonic I watched the movie on?

Perhaps it's time for some new glasses then :-)

[WRATH OF BOD]

i always DL 720 & 1080 from 4 gig upto 12 gig, i have just downloaded a couple from that site & no better then dvd rips in divx, avi, xvid, Ok to watch on a laptop or smaller TV but on my 50 inch & 42 inch not great.
i think i will stick with the MKV HD rips im used too. size isnt a problem for me, 8gb MKV come down in no time at all with 120meg connection.

[Mr.James]

Just in case anyone's interested I downloaded the 2.2GB version of Avatar on the https://yify-torrents.com/home website and then did 5x comparison screen grabs against my 35.8GB blu-ray version.

30Mb download:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pmuiguclepcszgn/Avatar.rar


Edit: Just worked out how to get a link for a shared folder instead so can be viewed in a web browser. The first picture of each pair is the lower quality picture, just in case
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zptgvt3mvqzui92/xF6-2S0YVZ

I think it's worth pointing out that of the grabs I took, the are all pretty slow moving scenes, except for the one with the guy that's diving towards the camera. So when the screen gets busy, that's the sort of change in detail.

[{{909}}]

Aye, I think it will depend greatly on the speed of the movie, the 1.4gig kung fu flick I had was full of fast action, probably 75% of the movie looked to be crazy shit, and mostly dark scenes which seem to suffer more when compressed. God bless america is a snail by comparison.
I'm still sticking to larger files for high profile movies but its great to know that if its just some middle of the road cack or some chick flick the missus is rattling on about, I can grab a decent copy in a short time and shut her up.

I don't know how to reliably compare video resolutions and files etc, but really the shift from 720 × 576 pixels to 720p doesn't seem that severe on paper and with newer codecs you can expect improvements.