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    Patients shun NHS for clinics run by Polish GPs: Cut-price private surgeries where you can see a doctor seven days a week


    • Despite charging £70 a visit, west London clinic already has almost 6,000 Britons on its books and offers 30-minute slots
    • Two thirds of NHS patients have to wait more than 48 hours for doctor's appointment and few slots are available outside regular working week
    • My Medyk also offers dental surgery, varicose vein surgery, Botox, hypnotherapy, acupuncture and counselling sessions
    • Clinic was founded five years ago by two Polish doctors but now employs 50 staff, the majority of whom are Poles

    By FRANCESCA INFANTE and SOPHIE BORLAND
    PUBLISHED: 22:29, 7 June 2013 | UPDATED: 08:38, 8 June 2013

    A private doctor’s surgery run by Poles is attracting thousands of patients who have given up on the NHS.

    Open seven days a week, usually until 11pm, the clinic gives half-hour appointments – three times longer than usual.
    And, despite charging £70 a visit, it already has almost 6,000 Britons on its books. Customers are welcomed into the spotless and modern centre by friendly receptionists whose motto is to ‘put patients first’.


    Clinic Manager Radek Przypis in one of three state of the art dental treatment rooms at the My Medyk Polish Clinic

    Radek Przypis, who manages the My Medyk clinic in West London, said he realised there was ‘a gap in the market because NHS care was so poor’. He added: ‘You have heard the stories about people going to GPs and whatever is wrong with you they give you a paracetamol and tell you to go away.
    ‘People find it hard to get help. They want to come to one place that they know, where they know what to expect, get the treatment and from people they trust.
    ‘Our patients are our customers, they are the most important things for us, that is our company motto. Perhaps that is not always the same attitude with the NHS.’
    Research shows that two thirds of Health Service patients have to wait more than 48 hours for a doctor’s appointment and few slots are available outside the regular working week.


    Fees for writing out prescriptions are included ¿ but not the cost of the drugs themselves. Treatments available include a pregnancy ultrasound scan for £90 and stitches for £45.



    It has 30,000 patients on its books ¿ five times the average for a GP surgery ¿ and between 15 and 20 per cent are British. The only day it is not open until 11pm is Sunday, when it shuts at 6pm

    Out-of-hours patients are almost certain to be seen by a locum or a senior nurse.
    The Polish clinic, which is regulated by the Care Quality Commission, will usually refer patients to their closest hospital and any scans, chemotherapy, surgery or other procedures will be funded by the NHS.
    Fees for writing out prescriptions are included – but not the cost of the drugs themselves. Treatments available include a pregnancy ultrasound scan for £90 and stitches for £45.
    My Medyk also offers dental surgery, varicose vein surgery, Botox, hypnotherapy, acupuncture and counselling sessions.
    It has 30,000 patients on its books – five times the average for a GP surgery – and between 15 and 20 per cent are British. The only day it is not open until 11pm is Sunday, when it shuts at 6pm.




    Julie Mess (right) a dancer working in the West End and Carmel Said, (left) a sculpture and model maker for the theatre and TV, are both patients of My Medyk Clinic

    It is also cheaper than rival operators. Bupa centres offer GP services at £67.49 for a 15-minute appointment – or £225 for a full hour. Their normal surgery hours are 8.30am to 5.15pm.
    One My Medyk patient, a 56-year-old civil servant called Sarah, travels ten miles from her home in North London to the Hanger Lane surgery because of the ease of seeing a doctor.
    ‘They are open incredibly long hours which suits my lifestyle,’ she said. ‘I would recommend them to anyone, they are really friendly and professional and the costs are easily a third of what you would pay for British private care.
    ‘It’s difficult to get GP appointments and then you’re told you have to go and see someone else and wait more time.

    It is also cheaper than rival operators. Bupa centres offer GP services at £67.49 for a 15-minute appointment – or £225 for a full hour. Their normal surgery hours are 8.30am to 5.15pm.

    One My Medyk patient, a 56-year-old civil servant called Sarah, travels ten miles from her home in North London to the Hanger Lane surgery because of the ease of seeing a doctor.
    ‘They are open incredibly long hours which suits my lifestyle,’ she said. ‘I would recommend them to anyone, they are really friendly and professional and the costs are easily a third of what you would pay for British private care.
    ‘It’s difficult to get GP appointments and then you’re told you have to go and see someone else and wait more time.




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    ‘If it’s going to take forever to get sorted on the NHS then in my opinion it’s worth paying for.’

    Another British patient, who did not want to be named, said the care she received was ‘beyond comparison’ with that offered by the NHS.
    She said: ‘I got an appointment when it was convenient to me and that made a huge difference straight away. I needed physiotherapy and I didn’t want to wait ages for an appointment.
    ‘I tried the NHS but I felt like I was getting nowhere because they kept sending me to people who said they couldn’t help me. I feel like I can trust what they tell me at My Medyk, they work to give me what I need, rather than make my need fit into a big system.’
    A third, Carmel Said, signed up to the surgery’s dentist after his NHS dentist removed the wrong tooth.
    The 63-year-old, who lives in Wembley, said: ‘I’m not going back to the NHS, as long as My Medyk is there I will be there. Frankly the service I get there is better.

    Research shows that two thirds of Health Service patients have to wait more than 48 hours for a doctor¿s appointment and few slots are available outside the regular working week (file photo)

    ‘I’ve had lots of problems with NHS dentists, the last one I had didn’t listen to me when I told him where the pain was, he thought he knew better and he ended up removing the wrong tooth.
    ‘I don’t want to pay for treatment if I don’t have to but at the same time I don’t want to have problems either. They listened to me and I felt they were interested in me as a person.’
    My Medyk was founded five years ago by two Polish doctors but now employs 50 staff, the majority of whom are Poles.
    In December, they opened a second clinic in Ealing, also in West London, and plan to open a third in East London soon.
    Roger Goss, of the campaign group Patient Concern, said: ‘I’m not surprised this clinic is attracting so many patients. I know people who are having to wait three weeks to get a GP appointment.
    ‘At my own NHS GP you normally have to wait at least a fortnight. Patients will rarely see the same doctor twice and this is particularly hard on the elderly or those with long-term conditions.
    ‘Every time they have an appointment they start from square one and have to explain all their illnesses and medication.’
    The country’s top GP, Dr Clare Gerada, recently told MPs there were ‘queues down the street’ outside her own practice in South London which she described as ‘disgraceful’.


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    Default Re: Polish immigrants show NHS how it should be done

    Just the Daily mail pushing a Tory agenda.

    Also those orange furnishings are fucking gopping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4me2 View Post
    Just the Daily mail pushing a Tory agenda.

    Also those orange furnishings are fucking gopping.
    The stark reality is that especially in London, the NHS is no longer working. We've had two experiences on recent trips where the missus and boy have needed to see an NHS doctor, and both times the service has been abysmal. This is despite the fact that we paid for our treatments as we are no longer resident here.

    Anyway now we just use BUPA clinics, or we might even give this Polish outfit a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTI View Post
    The stark reality is that especially in London, the NHS is no longer working. We've had two experiences on recent trips where the missus and boy have needed to see an NHS doctor, and both times the service has been abysmal. This is despite the fact that we paid for our treatments as we are no longer resident here. Now we just use BUPA clinics, or we might even give this Polish outfit a try.
    You should have gone to your Krankenkasse before leaving CH and got the European card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4me2 View Post
    You should have gone to your Krankenkasse before leaving CH and got the European card.

    We have a CHF 2000 (£1300) yearly excess on our medical policies, so the cost of the treatment came out of our pockets. Anything more than that, and you're right it would be covered under our medical insurance.
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    You are talking about PRIVATE medical insurance not Gesetzliche Krankenversicherung.

    All EEC members are entitled to free treatment whilst in other EEC states, even though Spain has been flouting this rule and fleecing UK citiziens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4me2 View Post
    All EEC members are entitled to free treatment whilst in other EEC states, even though Spain has been flouting this rule and fleecing UK citiziens.
    Switzerland isn't in the EEC, EU or EEA.
    Words like 'more' and 'sense' come to mind
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    I'm sick to fucking death of the BBC and most of the other media running the governments anti NHS propaganda, every day there is yet another NHS bashing article and no one has the brains to see what's going on, how about people do a little research of their own starting with the over 250 MP's and Peers who have interests in private healthcare companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Bouncer View Post
    I'm sick to fucking death of the BBC and most of the other media running the governments anti NHS propaganda, every day there is yet another NHS bashing article and no one has the brains to see what's going on, how about people do a little research of their own starting with the over 250 MP's and Peers who have interests in private healthcare companies.
    BB, it really pains me to bash the NHS. It was and remains a landmark post war socialist project to bring healthcare to the most deprived members of society, and in doing so raised the life expectancy and standard of living for millions. However 60 years on this ideal has started to falter, and has become a massive balck hole that is simply unable to deliver a 1st world service. In the case of my two year old boy, he was bitten by a wasp in my parent's garden and had a severe alergic reaction. We rushed him to A&E and despite him being covered in blotches and in obvious distress we were told to sit in a packed waiting room and wait our turn. But he's a baby I pleaded with them, but they simply didn't give a shit. When we eventually saw someone 45 mins later, my son by this time whimpering and going in and out of consiensiousness. He was given an anti-histamine syrup which he spat out, the exasperated (West African) doctor lost his temper and told us to better control our child (WTF???).

    This is not a healthcare system we can feel proud of anymore. Of course there are parts of the system that function very well, and in terms of cancer, heart etc.. care it remains the best in the world. However if people start to increasingly feel that they need to pay for a parallel healthcare system (e.g. BUPA) to fill the gaps, what is the point anymore? Why not admit defeat, hand the NHS over to a well regulated private sector and let them reform it. Health care will still be free for the poor, disabled, unemployed, elderly etc.. because their premiums will be funded by social welfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTI View Post
    Why not admit defeat, hand the NHS over to a well regulated private sector and let them reform it. Health care will still be free for the poor, disabled, unemployed, elderly etc.. because their premiums will be funded by social welfare.
    It is being done deliberately to push this agenda, I lived in Australia for 10 years and they have private health care (Medicare) everyone has a card and the reality is this is no better than a 'free' system as everyone is on it and they have exactly the same problems as a free service, this agenda is to hand over contracts to private firms draining public money into private pockets and out of the country so no tax is paid on it (try looking at who these companies are, what countries that are based it etc) once they are reliant on these private companies and there is no way back then they start pushing up the costs.

    Quote Originally Posted by GTI View Post
    Health care will still be free for the poor, disabled, unemployed, elderly etc.. because their premiums will be funded by social welfare.
    Same standard as the 'free' healthcare given in other countries yeah that will be good.

    The main problem with the NHS is it's top heavy and does need reform and a good shake up, what it does not need is profiteering vultures gathering round to pick the meat off the carcass leaving the poor, vulnerable, old and disabled begging for free treatment, does no one learn from the other privatised industries like the railways, water they list goes on all resulting in massive increases in prices to consumers yet the tax payer is now paying even more to support some of them. The Royal Mail is a good example it needed reform and got it with taxpayer funded modernisation turning it round into a profitable organisation to now be sold off and carved up and no doubt no longer a British company and not paying tax here.

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    The way it works in Switzerland is that everyone has to have the basic medical insurance by law. You pay about £140 a month, and those premiums are paid for you if you are on social welfare. The cost and structure of the basic insurance is highly regulated, and insurance companies are not allowed to make profit on this.. in fact they probably make a loss. Where the companies make their money is by selling you supplemental insurance e.g. complementary therapies, chinese medicine, private room in hospital as opposed to a ward etc...

    With regards to the hospitals, it is a mixture of public and private.. all competing for patients and their insurance money. That means that a publicly owned hospital e.g. University Hospital of Geneva have standards similar to the private hospitals, even though they are run by the state. That for me is the key, patients have the power to choose where they want their care, they are empowered and get levels of service which they deserve. I am not sure about the Aussie model, but I can tell you that the Swiss system simply works. You are seen immediately, and if you need an operation it is scheduled there and then with no waiting. Again I think key to its success is the highly regulated nature of healthcare in the country, the basic insurance is mandatory and the price is fixed by law.
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