PS4 to support used games

[EvilBoB]

There was no xbox at day 1.

I know some people loyal to xbox will stick with them but if you ignore the fanboy posts in this thread it's quite clear that sony are going to have the superior console this time around.

/troll

Actually the PS3 was superior to the 360 too... It was all the extra functionality that sold most people. Hell I've gone through four of them and still on my first PS3 - mainly because I can't sell the bloody thing.

[{{909}}]

The first xbox was dead in the water for about 12 months, I cant believe many of us here were day 1 xbox devotees. Many people seem to have forgotten MS were bundling 2, 3 and even 4 games with the console for a while and no one gave a fuck. It wasn't until they slashed the price (and coincidentally the machine got hacked about the same time) that anyone remotely began to take it seriously.

[Goldberg]

The first xbox was dead in the water for about 12 months, I cant believe many of us here were day 1 xbox devotees. Many people seem to have forgotten MS were bundling 2, 3 and even 4 games with the console for a while and no one gave a fuck. It wasn't until they slashed the price (and coincidentally the machine got hacked about the same time) that anyone remotely began to take it seriously.

It was all because the hacking and the media/emulator capabilities that kept that going.

[SiE]

The first xbox was dead in the water for about 12 months, I cant believe many of us here were day 1 xbox devotees. Many people seem to have forgotten MS were bundling 2, 3 and even 4 games with the console for a while and no one gave a fuck. It wasn't until they slashed the price (and coincidentally the machine got hacked about the same time) that anyone remotely began to take it seriously.

So true. I thought it was a piece of shit till i played halo, then it was a whole new ball game.

360 was day one though.

[Mr.James]

I remember Xbox being a bit of a joke when it first came out. There was a stigma attached because it was made by Microsoft, a dull company that made PC operating systems.

They were taking on the might of Sony, who'd obliterated all other competition and nobody thought they'd last 5 minutes in the console world...

Console gaming needed the competition looking back.


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[dannyboy]

The only reason I had an original Xbox is because I got to the National finals for Pro Evo 4 on PS2 and was given a free Xbox with a copy of Pro Evo. Then I had it modded the next day with a copy of Chronicles Of Riddick, which I thought was amazing at the time

[Goldberg]

Looking back now, M$ must have lost a fortune to piracy etc on the Original Xbox due to modding etc..
no wonder they are trying to clamp down.

I remember when I released the first Installation disc to install Evolution-X on the machine. It wasn't 100% automated and I had an email off some chancer who bricked his machine.
Demanded I replaced his console... When I asked why he thought I should replace his console because he was trying to install something to potentially defraud a company (and made a hash of it), I never got a reply.

funny that

[Sanj[UK]]

Can't post the link because I'm on the throne but if you get banned from live you loose your legally purchased games. Now before anyone says "don't get banned" it was either last year or the year before where Microsoft banend thousands of accounts by error. My cousins in california persisted for 10 months which ended up with him having to post his console to Microsoft. He got sent back a refurb fat xbox with all his save games and 1 year of free live with no refund for the 10 months he couldn't use live.

Enjoy your xbox one

[Bald Bouncer]

Looking back now, M$ must have lost a fortune to piracy etc on the Original Xbox due to modding etc..
no wonder they are trying to clamp down.

Nonsense, they lost nothing and as a percentage only at best 4% of the original Xbox got modified and that is being very very generous.

There are several things in life the majority of the people blindly accept as it's something they have been told so often they accept it.

Most people think Christians got thrown to lions but there is absolutely no evidence this ever happened but because we have always been told this was the case it is accepted by the majority.

"Smile it takes less muscles to smile than frown" It's easier to frown than smile, because it takes 12 muscles to smile and only 11 to frown so again something people just accept as fact when in reality it's wrong.

With this in mind let's have a look at a few of the "facts" we keep being told about piracy and I'm going to look at two consoles the Playstation 3 and the Xbox 360, the reason for this is because one has the ability to be hacked to play pirate games (Xbox 360) the other does not (Playstation 3).

"Facts" we are told

Piracy increases the retail price of games.

Strange claim this as it seems that the prices of games on the Xbox360 and Playstation 3 are the same and while searching I actually found the Playstation 3 games often had a higher price tag and less discounts.

Piracy goes to fund child prostitution, drugs, funds terrorism, slavery and every other nasty thing in the world.

Easy claim to make this as nearly any industry or person has links to child prostitution, drugs, funds terrorism, slavery and every other nasty thing in the world in the same way the Six degrees of separation (also referred to as the "Human Web") refers to the idea that everyone is at most six steps away from any other person on Earth, so that a chain of, "a friend of a friend" statements can be made to connect any two people in six steps or fewer, if you spend money in a shop and your change is given to a drug dealer or profits from that sale is paid to a worker involved in child pornography and he uses that money to pay for his internet access then your money goes to fund it.

Piracy is causing software companies to go bankrupt and is causing job losses in the industry

The industry claims the most pirated games of 2009 was Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 but it was also the year's best selling game, with the Xbox 360 version having shifted 4.2 million copies in the USA in November 2009 and grossed more than $300 million in sales in its first 24 hours just in the USA and the UK so is it more the case that if you don't make good games people won't buy them or even pirate them which does not seem to have effected the obscene profits made on this game.

We need more legislation to protect the industry or it will die.

Have a bit of a search on how much legislation has been put in place just for the protection of this private industry, just a couple of examples but please have a search yourself there are many more examples, in the UK from the maximum sentence for software piracy being increased from two years to ten years in prison, selective exemption for software sales in the sale of goods act written in solely for their protection.

They don't pay for the fight in the UK to protect their industry the tax payer does through council tax funding of Trading Standards costing millions even on single cases, strange as you would have thought Trading Standards job would be to protect the people paying for them against unscrupulous business practices rather than protecting these business who are in a financial position to do so themselves.

Piracy costs the industry billions of dollars a year.

Microsoft sells more games per Xbox 360 sold than its rival console makers. That's according to some interesting stats from the US about console sales compared to game sales. Nearly seven games are sold per Xbox 360 compared to nearly four for a PlayStation 3. (Source)

But I thought piracy caused loss of sales so why is it the Xbox360 sells more games per unit than the Playstation 3? this does not really back up the claims of lost sales through piracy.

Conclusion

We are all brainwashed to believe figures they give us on losses which are plucked from thin air with no evidence to back them up, this is more about greed and I feel the recent introduction of codes into games to allow you "extra content" or play online is an example of whatever they claim to lose through piracy is just a claim as this money does not exist, they have not lost a sale as this sale does not exist and never would exist so they have decided to screw the second hand games market and make the people who are paying for games pay a bit more when they find the game they have bought is incomplete in it's features.

I would like to see this new introduction of "additional content" codes tackled under UK legislation and perhaps Trading Standards might look at making a case against them under our multitude of regulations under the sale of goods act and numerous other instances of their actions conflicting with consumer rights but I would also like to get six numbers on the lottery and I think there is more chance of the latter. Source Posted 23-05-2010

[Mr.James]

The second hand market costs them more than piracy. Is it any wonder Microsoft have designed their console to cash in on it?


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[{{909}}]

there are NO figures that represent an accurate % of consoles which are hacked, its ridiculous to state its less than 4% as much as its ridiculous to state any other number. The only concrete facts on that matter can be via word of mouth and people you know personally and in my case, 100% of people I know either hacked their xbox, or bought one primarily to hack. XBMC was probably the single most used 'game' of that generation.

I do honestly believe the s/h market is a bigger threat that piracy though, as people who buy s/h games to save a fiver would have bought the original, where as the average pirate was never going to buy shit.

[Bald Bouncer]

there are NO figures that represent an accurate % of consoles which are hacked, its ridiculous to state its less than 4% as much as its ridiculous to state any other number.

You are wrong I can state that very accurately as I know how many Xecuter chips got produced, I know as a percentage of sales how many other chips got sold compared to Xecuter chips being sold at the time which also gives me an accurate indication of how many 'other' chips got made and sold, covering the biggest sellers in the business which on a breakdown came to 2.4% of console sales so by stating 4% I am allowing for softmodding which I consider generous due to it entering as a method much later in the consoles life. I also looked at the official statistics on consoles sold.

I do not like others pluck percentages from thin air and at best my calculations are maybe 1% out and that would be too large.