Harriet Harman owes the British public a full explanation about the NCCL's links

[Bald Bouncer]

Harriet Harman owes the British public a full explanation about the NCCL's links with paedophile group

After refusing to admit that the National Council for Civil Liberties link to the Paedophile Information Exchange was a "mistake" on Newsnight last night (see above), Harriet Harman has changed tack this morning. A spokesman for Harman told the BBC that she "regrets the existence of" the PIE. "Of course she regrets any organisation's involvement with them, including the National Council for Civil Liberties,” the spokesman said. "But they were immaterial to her work."

That's a step in the right direction, but hardly sufficient. Her spokesman emphasised that the PIE became an "affiliate" of the NCCL's before Harman joined the organisation ("[Harman] regrets the existence of PIE and she regrets their involvement with NCCL before she joined"), but she still hasn't addressed the question of why she agreed to become the NCCL's legal officer in the first place, given the organisation's links with the notorious paedophile group, or why the PIE was allowed to remain under the umbrella of the NCCL until 1983. Let's not forget that the PIE lobbied for the legalisation of sex between adults and children – children as young as four. There's also the question of why Harman, in her capacity as the NCCL's legal officer, petitioned the Home Office to reduce sentences for convicted paedophi1es and urged the Crown not to prosecute people found in possession of naked pictures of children unless it could be proven that the children in question had been harmed.

On Newsnight, Harman went on the attack against the Daily Mail, accusing the paper of trying to "smear" her, and senior members of the Labour Party are continuing to push out that line this morning. According to Sophy Ridge of Sky News, Labour sources are claiming the reason the Mail has gone in so hard against Harman is because the paper got its nose bloodied over the Ralph Miliband story last year:



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Red highlighted is the reason I have always thought her scum and hated her and glad to see this question is being asked again.

[GTI]

If it were between the Daily Mail and Satan himself, I would go down on the side of Satan.
This is a storm in a tea cup, using the highly emotive language of paedophilia to smear a well known Leftie. I'm not fan of Harman, but she gives a reasonable enough explanation.

[Bald Bouncer]

If it were between the Daily Mail and Satan himself, I would go down on the side of Satan.
This is a storm in a tea cup, using the highly emotive language of paedophilia to smear a well known Leftie. I'm not fan of Harman, but she gives a reasonable enough explanation.

Well my views are always clear on here I would think but this has always been an issue I have had with Harman and why I hate her, I don't think her 'defense' is really helping her as although yes they got kicked out and joined before she did they didn't get kicked out until a year after she left so no credit there, she seems to be taking the attitude that attack is the best form of defense and as much as I hate the Daily Mail it seems like a 'well you do worse' reply a bit like being stopped for speeding and saying well car went passed me going faster.

We will see how this one plays out I think.

[DavidF]

Funny enough this was "reported" on that much made fun of David Icke's site just after the Savil revelations were made public......Quite a few of his bizzare ramblings have in-fact turned out to be not without foundation. Don't get me wrong I feel there is much wrong in Mr Icke's mind....but I do wonder if he is portrayed as a loon so that most of us will just laugh at his ramblings. Put it this way - accuse me of this sort of stuff and I would be using all my wealth (if in these people's position) to defend myself and suing the shit out of them that print it.....as above it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[Geko]

Like DavidF above, I found this information out on the internet. Although not from Mr Icke.

I read the information for about 4 hours. It was disgusting. Pointed the finger at several Tories during the 70s and 80s, including the PM. Talked about huge paedophile rings involving people of wealth and power. Talked about a lobbying group for legalising relationships between minors and adults. The more I read, the more I became sure that I couldn't believe it. It was too farfetched.

Then... We get the Saville scandal. Some of the stories I read seemed to be true. Now this seems to be true, too.

It makes me wonder how much more of it is true. And what a really sick world we live in.

The more I read about the elite and the damage they do. The more I hope for vigilante justice.

[Over Carl]

@ GTI: But isn't this the game that all politicians play - do what the fuck you want, as long as you portray a squeaky clean image. Let the public see any hint of anything else and you're gone. I think it's only right that she should be asked to resign now.

@ DavidF : Problem is David Icke is a fucking joke. If he was serious about what he is doing, he would realise that no-one would ever trust anyone looney enough to proclaim themselves Son of God on telly then change their mind over it. Therefore he should have put a credible front man forward if he actually wanted his claims to be taken seriously. Then we get to the reptilians....

I had to stop reading his shite because it actually was starting to make me angry that I was spending my time reading his complete drivel. My gut feeling is he latches onto every single conspiracy theory going, so some of what he says may actually turn out to be true.

@ Geko : Sadly I kind of agree with you - I'm sure it's no secret I think the only way to sort these cunts out is for the people to forcibly reclaim power.

[DavidF]

I think it could be said without being out of line that throughout world history the "elite" have managed to plumb to the very depths of depravity. Yes we have some very bad examples of ordinary citizens ect BUT IMHO the elite are responsible for the most horrendous abuses of humankind and are responsible for the suffering of the human species. Sorry state of affairs all of this though. I should imagin this story will have a lot of miles in it before it is all shelved.

[DavidF]

@ GTI: But isn't this the game that all politicians play - do what the fuck you want, as long as you portray a squeaky clean image. Let the public see any hint of anything else and you're gone. I think it's only right that she should be asked to resign now.

@ DavidF : Problem is David Icke is a fucking joke. If he was serious about what he is doing, he would realise that no-one would ever trust anyone looney enough to proclaim themselves Son of God on telly then change their mind over it. Therefore he should have put a credible front man forward if he actually wanted his claims to be taken seriously. Then we get to the reptilians....

I had to stop reading his shite because it actually was starting to make me angry that I was spending my time reading his complete drivel. My gut feeling is he latches onto every single conspiracy theory going, so some of what he says may actually turn out to be true.

@ Geko : Sadly I kind of agree with you - I'm sure it's no secret I think the only way to sort these cunts out is for the people to forcibly reclaim power.

OC I get what you are saying and somewhat agree tbh. I am just a normal guy who tries to get his head round all the shit that we read/see/hear about. Icke has lost all credability ....goes without saying BUT If you were a politician or someone very much in the public eye and even the most delusional headcase brought out a book and actually went as far as NAMING you as a peado.....then surely you would crush this person in court in front of their friends/family and followers. I know I would.
For the record I have not actually read his books just skimmed his site ect. But it does say that he actually named Savil in print years before it all came out...more importantly he did so when he was alive....he has also named several top mp's right to the very top of the British establishment including royalty.....as Geko has implied too...so icke is obviously not the only one doing the naming ect...but he is the one i know about that has actually put it into print and basically said "sue me"...I don't recall anyone doing so...im probably wrong though lol.

[Geko]

I agree with Overcarl about David Icke. His is bound to be right at some point.

I don't believe in the illuminati myself. I think it is an American thing and pro-Christian propaganda. I also think it helps bury other more credible conspiracy theories.

[burner1]

This is one of those 'stories' that that ultimately show how politically powerful the Media can be at times, even the DM. I've lost all faith in our Political system with the lies and promises that are broken by Party's if they get elected, and have even less time for the mainstream media in this country. They all have an agenda end of the day.

[CzarJunkie]

I'm with GTI on this one. It's sensational journalism at its worst/best, depending on how you view it. As regards Harmans actions, I believe there was a school of thought back then that allowing nonces to look at child porn lowered the risk of them going out and acting out their fantasises for real. If so, decriminalising it, if she could prove no child had been hurt, was probably an option they considered. It's only because it's such an emotive subject now that any sensible discussion around the illness, treatment, sentencing and criminality is off the table.

[GTI]

@ GTI: But isn't this the game that all politicians play - do what the fuck you want, as long as you portray a squeaky clean image. Let the public see any hint of anything else and you're gone. I think it's only right that she should be asked to resign now

I don't think there is any question that she condoned or was in any way party to the actions of PIE.

Harriet Harman was renowned for being Labour's goody goody miss two shoes, with her nannying remarks she was the very embodiment of political correctness (earning her the nickname Harriet Harperson). And that's what makes these allegations all the more ludicrous.

Its become a cliche, but those were truly different times and the fact that you could even have an organisation called the Paedophile Information Exchange is testament to that. All that happened in this case was that a perfectly legitimate organisation she worked for received funds from PIE which allowed them to claim affiliation. There was no mechanism for disbarring them, and so this cancer stayed on the affiliates list for a few years. Why the Daily Mail sees fit to dredge up a 30 year old non-story and stir it up speaks more about their own particular political agenda.

Again I'm no fan of the woman, but I thinks its outrageous that a democratically elected representative should be brought down by a gutter press newspaper based on nothing more than smear and innuendo.

[DJ OD]

There is no cure for ped0philia.

Maybe "letting" them look at images may have stoped them "doing" things, but eventually they will end up doing something to someone kid.

In my mind there is no excuses, and as such it should not be condoned. I don't know what the correct solution is, but rehabilitation and/or incarceration won't do anything.


DJ OD

[CzarJunkie]

There is no cure for ped0philia.

Maybe "letting" them look at images may have stoped them "doing" things, but eventually they will end up doing something to someone kid.

In my mind there is no excuses, and as such it should not be condoned. I don't know what the correct solution is, but rehabilitation and/or incarceration won't do anything.


DJ OD

This is why this subject doesn't go anywhere and gets more and more emotive. People seem so certain about the subject in their own minds and I'm not sure what you are basing your statements on. Is it just a 'feeling' you have that there is no cure or rehabilitation?

As vile as the crimes are, we need to take a step back and look at it as we do with any other criminal or deviant behaviour. We need to ask questions about whether nonces are born, or made. If they are made, then as a society we all have a responsibility.

I've read that a large number of nonces were abused themselves as children. They then go on to abuse children themselves. Also, approx 80% of child abuse is carried out by a family member or close family friend.

As a society we can't simply wash our hands of this issue. If it's as serious as everyone seems to think, then we need to investigate the reasons why. Without honest, open and sensible debate that will never happen. Nonces are locked up and all we do is try and manage their access to children when they get out. Is that the best course of action? Shouldn't we try and subdue their desires or try and change their behaviour?

I've no idea what the answers are, but I know the current answers don't seem to be working.

[DJ OD]

My statements are based on my own opinions, purely my own opinion.

I understand your point about 80% of abusers being abused themselves, but it must have begun somewhere. Therefore they must be made and born. Somewhere along the line one must have born, who then made others like themselves through abuse.

There cannot be a cure for it, neither the condition or the attitude of society, which is corrupted by the media.

Although I believe I am the sort of person that has no tollerance for this sort of thing (rightly or wrongly) I have a feeling that if this compasion to ped0s continues there is a chance that in years to come ped0s will also be socially acceptable in the same way homosexuals are now.


DJ OD

[plug1]

Read this the other day ,some interesting names mentioned .
http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/uk-child...-sexual-abuse/

[CzarJunkie]

Although I believe I am the sort of person that has no tollerance for this sort of thing (rightly or wrongly) I have a feeling that if this compasion to ped0s continues there is a chance that in years to come ped0s will also be socially acceptable in the same way homosexuals are now.


DJ OD

Society has more to fear from ignorance like yours than from paed0philia. To conflate homosexuality with paed0philia shows you haven't got the brains you were born with.

[Goldberg]

W.O.W! I am very interested to see how this pans out. What a complete and utter idiotic statement to make.

How can you class sick people who mentally and physically harm children with people who like the same sex..

[macmilm]

Read this the other day ,some interesting names mentioned .
http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/uk-child...-sexual-abuse/

That is an interesting read...... and as you say.. interesting names !

[supraman54]

My statements are based on my own opinions, purely my own opinion.

I understand your point about 80% of abusers being abused themselves, but it must have begun somewhere. Therefore they must be made and born. Somewhere along the line one must have born, who then made others like themselves through abuse.

There cannot be a cure for it, neither the condition or the attitude of society, which is corrupted by the media.

Although I believe I am the sort of person that has no tollerance for this sort of thing (rightly or wrongly) I have a feeling that if this compasion to ped0s continues there is a chance that in years to come ped0s will also be socially acceptable in the same way homosexuals are now.


DJ OD

I find your closing statement frightening quite frankly... I hate homophobia but the thought that ped0philia could become socially acceptable sends shivers down my spine..

supe