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    The Federation Council of the Russian Federation has unanimously supported a request by the President of Russia Vladimir Putin to deploy the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to Ukraine in order to, first and foremost, protect Russian citizens and ethnic Russians from threats to their safety and their lives, to assist in returning the country to a state of normalcy and to bring the situation under control until the such a time as the normalization of the political situation in Ukraine is achieved.


    The Russian Federation has an obligation and the right under international law to protect its citizens in Ukraine and Crimea where the population of Russians is at least 17 percent and approximately 70 percent respectively. The number of people in Ukraine of other nationalities, including the population of Jews which is about 5 percent are also under threat by the neo-nazis who have taken power. The number of people who speak Russian account for almost 90 percent of the population in Ukraine and the number of those who see it as a native language account for as many as 80 percent.

    Legal basis for Russian Intervention


    Any Russian mission in Ukraine would be strictly of a peace keeping nature and to protect the lives of the civilian population from the US backed neo-nazi thugs who have seized power in Ukraine. Therefore any portrayal in the West and in the western mass media about an "invasion" or "violation" of the territorial or political integrity of Ukraine is completely unfounded and empty propaganda.

    Treaties between Ukraine and Russia as well as the requests by the Russian population and the official request by the authorities in the Crimea necessitate Russia to intervene and at a minimum protect Russian citizens, property and interests.
    There is also the question of restoring order and the proper workings of the bodies of government which should represent all of the Ukrainian people to Ukraine. The country has been taken over by western backed murderous thugs, mercenaries and neo-nazis in an attempt to install a western puppet government by force and those who are calling themselves the government of Ukraine are doing so while excluding the majority of the Ukrainian population.
    Also there are the wishes of the legal authorities of Ukraine and those of the President in exile to have order restored to their country, although no official statements requesting Russian assistance have been made.
    The fact is that most Ukrainian "officials" are now operating at what can only be characterized as gun-point and can not make such statements without risking their lives and the lives of their families. The last is particularly important as one of the key methods for terrorizing officials that is being used by the Bandera Nazis, is to threaten the families of officials. Any government functioning under such duress must be assisted and proper order must be restored, something the West seems to have a problem with.

    Mass Media Shamefully Goose Stepping in Line


    Dear American reader you are being fed lies by your mass media. You are being manipulated by your "leaders" into supporting something that has no place in the modern world and you are supporting another crime against peace which is being carried out in Ukraine.

    The Western media have spun the situation in Ukraine as being something it is clearly not in subservient acquiescence to their corporate-intelligence-military-industrial master and leading to a condition where many in the West are in a complete and utter state of denial and in fact living in an alternative universe of their own making.

    The True Nature of the "Revolution" in Ukraine


    The western media is stunningly complicit in covering up what has really occurred in Ukraine, although things like the leaked Nuland/Pyatt conversation paint a true picture of the US/NATO/EU role in the coup d’état in Ukraine, the western media is forever silent and ignores the reality. Not only have such leaks been ignored but even worse, the real time live footage of "peaceful demonstrators" attacking, setting on fire, murdering and even taking hostage police officers, something which I have repeatedly said should have caused an outcry by American law enforcement officers and the US populace in general, who give their police god-like reverence, has been brushed under the carpet as if it never happened.

    The coup d’état in Ukraine (let’s call it for what it was) was in no way a popular uprising. It was the result of a very expensive, long-running and orchestrated campaign by the CIA, the US State Department and other US/NATO elements. One only has to look at the marauders on Maidan Square and footage of crowds in Crimea or other Ukrainian cities to see that something is not right. A popular uprising of the people coming out in peaceful demonstrations would include crowds of all ethnicities and ages and women and even children. Not so on Maidan, we only see young ethnically Ukrainian men in bullet proof vest, military helmets, wielding steel pipes filled with cement and even armed.
    These are neo-nazi thugs who the west supports, whose mob chose a government which the West was much too quick to recognize and who the West is calling a legitimate government of the people. The usurpers in the Verhovna Rada can in no way be called a legitimate government. Not one of the so-called "leaders" in Ukraine would win in a fair and peaceful democratic election. The only way they had to fulfill their mad ambitions of power was to do so through violence and the selling out of their country to their American and NATO puppet masters, central of which is Victoria Nuland former us Ambassador to NATO.
    The goal of US/NATO is clear and something I have been writing about for years. They want to establish complete global military domination, they want to neutralize and finally break up Russia (into 68 autonomous regions ala Zbignew Brezhinsky) and they want to surround the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China with a missile "shield" that will guarantee a successful and unanswered nuclear first strike. That is the black agenda and that is what they are doing. Unfortunately there are troublesome people in the areas they want to control and annex, hence they continue to overthrow and replace governments in covert ways and marginalize and outright kill anyone who comes too close to exposing the true nature of their insidious military takeover.
    Ukraine was a textbook CIA coup d’état using "color revolution" infrastructure and resources that were already in place and proven during the past color revolution. The only difference is the armed aspect, for which the neo-nazi groups came into effect. The neo-nazi "Bandera" groups in Ukraine have been training for over a decade for just such a scenario, they were merely finally let loose by the US/NATO.
    We know US/NATO collude with, arm, fund, finance, support and even create terrorist groups. We know Al-Qaeda was created by the CIA in Afghanistan, we know they are being supported in Syria. We also know that they CIA has long funded and supported any group in any country, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba, etc who is ready to overthrow a government. It does not matter to the CIA if these groups are made up of homicidal lunatics who would massacre children (Latakia Syria), or murder police and force them to their knees on public squares (Ukraine), or commit genocide (everywhere), what matters is that they allow the CIA to achieve its objectives.
    It is important to underline that everything I have written about so far is illegal: forcing regime change through threats, sanctions and covert means is illegal. Arranging coup d’états is illegal. Aggressive and preventive war are illegal. Supporting, importing, training and arming destabilizing violent elements in any country is also illegal.
    This is why Ukraine is a victory for international lawlessness because everything the US/NATO/CIA have been doing since, before and during 9-11-2001 has been illegal. Everything from Guantanamo, to drones, to aggressive wars to military expansion: illegal, pure and simple end of discussion. The fact that under the Patriot Act the Brezhinky/Yoo/PNAC planners passed what is called the Hague Invasion Act (which I have written about in the past), an instrument which guarantees they will never come before an international tribunal, is just a further nail in the coffin of their illegality.
    It is also important to underline the "CIA/NATO Textbook" nature of the events in Ukraine which followed the OTPOR scenario used in Yugoslavia and the timeline of the Olympic Games invasion of South Ossetia.
    It is also important to note the connections between the underground Tatar terrorists in Crimea and their ties to the Bandera nazis. I contend that like in Kosovo, US/NATO may bring about the calling for an independent territory by the Tatars in Crimea, which they will no doubt immediately recognize as legitimate and where they will build Camp Bondsteel 2.0.

    Obama’s Threat an Insult to Russia and the World


    Now that we have set the record straight and for those of you living in the western media land of Oz where truth is hidden and evil is spun as righteous perhaps it is understandable then why threats from US President Obama against Russian President Putin, the Russian Federation and the Russian people are beyond egregious, insidious or odious but pure evil and no level of spin can make them right (Strong words? Yes of course. But let’s call an apple an apple).

    US President Barack Obama warning Russia and thus the President of the Russian Federation and the Russian people that: "There would be costs for any military intervention" is an insult to the Russian people and the free world and should serve to bring home to any Russians and anyone else who were in doubt about the brutal-self-serving-marginalizingl and insidious nature of US foreign policy orchestrated and controlled by Brezhinsky acolytes and neo-conservative chicken hawks who have clearly gone completely off the reservation in their delusional belief of their own exceptionalism in their plan to establish full US control of the planet and American hegemony over the world.
    Make no mistake Obama knew of and signed off on US plans for Ukraine going in. If we recall Victoria Nuland’s conversation with Geoffrey Pyatt the US Ambassador to Ukraine which gave the world an insight into the true working of the US Government and the fact that Obama did not sack Nuland, the former ambassador to NATO, then it should be clear that everything is going according to plans okayed by Obama.

    Goose Stepping Officials and Allies


    The irony of US supporting nazi groups to overthrow the government of Ukraine and my use of the phrase "goose stepping" should not be lost on you dear reader because that is exactly what is happening.

    The entire western geopolitical-mass media-military-intelligence-political machine has been unleashed on Ukraine and is working in hyper-drive because it is finally going against the outer periphery of the Russian Federation, the hardest target it has had since 9-11.
    The bellicose statements and thinly veiled threats by Obama were initially "put out there" by the likes of Susan Rice and Anders Fogh Rasmussen. In his public statements Rasmussen effectively labeled Ukraine NATO territory (a lie and a clear spin) to prepare the world audience for NATO aggression in Ukraine.
    The reason for the threats from Obama, McCain, Susan Rice and even the UK’s William Hague is clear and transparent: the West has plans for Ukraine and they do not want Russia interfering in their annexing of Ukraine.
    Just like Nazi Germany annexed country after country the US has been doing the exact same thing since 9-11. The bllod shed we have seen unleashed by the US/NATO since 9-11 in country after country and the testimony of former NATO Commander General Wesley Clark, who revealed a list of countries that were to be destroyed after 9-11, proves this beyond any shadow of a doubt.

    Worse Than the nazis


    The intentions of hitler and the nazis was clear, their murderous racist intentions and their plans were known to the world. However the US and NATO have hidden their doctrine of aggressive war and world domination by using creative, insidious and covert means and spinning their crimes against humanity with propaganda and language in the mass media. Hence neo-nazi murders on Maidan become "peaceful demonstrators fighting for democracy", aggressive war becomes "humanitarian intervention", global military expansion and the taking over of the world a "war on terror", any leader who is not pliant or a puppet a "despot", "dictator" or "strongman", an independent government "non-democratic" and of course any country which pursues friendly policies with Russia or demands a proper price for their resources becomes "rogue" or "a supporter of terrorism."

    The fact that the US controls the bodies of international law and the bodies of last instance worldwide allows them to subvert and ignore international law to their own ends. Therefore the US funding and collusion with terrorists worldwide, with neo-nazis in Ukraine, the overthrowing of governments, the overt and covert subversions of states and their acts of aggressive war (a crime against humanity) continue to go unpunished.
    This insidious manipulation of world bodies to allow them to continue to violate international laws and norms and the successful portrayal of their acts of aggressive and the subversion of states as "interventions" and "democracy" building operations makes the US clearly more evil than the nazis. The fact that the endemic American racist policies are being spread worldwide by a black man and by supposed "Zionists" who continue to operate with under the cover of and through the exploitation of the Holocaust to maintain their "untouchable" status is even more evil than anything hitler could have thought up, he himself according to DNA tests not only a Jew but also possessing some black DNA.

    Obama’s Stunning Hypocrisy


    One has to wonder if the US President is in possession of all of his mental facilities and at the depth and complexity of his delusional architecture when after orchestrating the violent coup in Ukraine and supporting neo-nazi murderers who openly state they want to kill Russians, Jews and blacks he has the unmitigated audacity to say things like: "Any violation of Ukrainian sovereignty would be deeply destabilizing, which is not in the interests of Ukraine, Russia or Europe. It would represent profound interference in the affairs of the Ukrainian people and a violation of international law."

    Yes, Obama said: "Any violation of Ukrainian sovereignty would be deeply destabilizing, which is not in the interests of Ukraine, Russia or Europe." So then why is the US meddling in Ukraine? Because it is in fact the destabilization of Ukraine, Russia and Europe that the US seeks. It is part of their policy of divide and conquer and of breaking up countries and perhaps whole continents so that they are easier to control and exploit.

    The American Way


    Unfortunately for the American people (many who want peace and just want to live their lives and not hurt anybody) brutality and force is the American way. The glorification of violence and force and subjugation is so engrained in the American psyche that it would take a hundred years to counter. Which is why many Americans can swallow and accept that demonstrators who beat unarmed police to death in front of TV cameras and shoot them to death execut1on style are "fighting for democracy" and "legitimate".

    It is the American way to bring warships to the Olympics and drone entire families into oblivion because they are "suspected" of being terrorists. It is the American way to threaten anyone who dissents or exposes the illegality being carried by the government. Terrorizing everyone into silence or inactivity or collusion. It is the American way to demonize and threaten leaders and opponents and anyone who is not under their control. The list is too long but Muammar Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, Bashar Al-Assad and Vladimir Putin are perfect examples, as are Julian Assange, Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden. I might dare to humbly add myself to the list.
    For the world and for Russians in particular it is hard to understand endemic American racism. It is even harder to understand that a black man in the White House is advancing racist polices, but we saw by Obama’s performance at Nelson Mandela’s funeral that he has no regard for his fellow blacks, for Africans or even for his own wife. One only has to look at the photos of him doing selfies at Mandela’s funeral to come to this conclusion and consider his betrayal of the black population in the United States who live worse than they did in the 1960s.
    It does not stretch credibility or belief nor is it even apparently out of the ordinary to the average American that their black president would support neo-nazis who are openly calling for the killing of Jews, blacks and Russians. Then ends to them justify the means I suppose. And that is demonizing and crippling Russia. Never mind that 80% of Ukrainians speak Russian or are Russians themselves. This is an abstraction for Americans, as are the poor unarmed police who were beaten to death in the coup d’état.

    Neo Con End Game


    Although Brezhnisky not long ago stated that "American hegemony" worldwide could not be obtained (a move apparently to distract the world into thinking the PNAC was finished) what we are seeing in Ukraine is part of the Neo-Con PNAC endgame. The goal of the atavism that is NATO, and its US masters is complete domination or Russia and China and their irrational hatred and plans have been heightened and speeded up by several recent events which have seen them growing more and more desperate as Russia begins to take its proper place on the world stage.

    Those events include the Snowden affair, the failure to invade Syria and Iraq and the brilliant triumph at the Olympics, which the US desperately tried to through dirt on with their terrorist hysteria. But even more importantly it is Russia’s growing economic and political leadership in the world and its staunch and unwavering calls for respect for international law and the sovereignty of states that has thrown the West into a panic.
    In the words of former US Deputy Secretary of Defense Neo-Con Paul Wolfowitz the US had 5 or 10 years to "clean up those old Soviet regimes before the next great super power comes up to challenge us."

    The Right Sector Calls for Chechen Terrorist Support


    US ignorance of the peoples and the groups that they support to overthrow governments and bring about their coup d’états is no more clearer than it is in Ukraine.

    The people the West is calling "peaceful demonstrators" include puppets like Klitschko, neo-nazi leader Tyagnibok and the leader of the "Right Sector" the equally ignorant Dmitry Yarosh who has called on support from Chechen Terrorist leader Doku Umarov for terrorist attacks in Ukraine. Informationally challenged Yarosh had to me reminded by the head of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov that Umarov has already been liquidated and that Yarosh is headed to the same place that Umarov went to and from which no one has returned.
    Yarosh, who also called for the destruction of Russia and interestingly the division of Russia into autonomous regions ala Brezhinsky recently attempted to enlist the aid of Crimean Tatars who according to Ramzan Kadyrov have agreed with him that they will not fight against Russia.

    Conclusion


    Threats against Russia by the West and by President Obama are just saber rattling bellicose rhetoric by chicken hawks who fight war from bunkers on the other side of the planet, support terrorists and perform weekly extra-judicial drone execut1ons.

    I would say that it is Nobel Peace Prize winning Obama and the leaders of what has proven itself to be the world’s number one rogue nation who truly need to "be nervous" over the events in Ukraine. After all their direct involvement in a coup d’état has been uncovered, detailed and published for the world to see, and unless international law and the UN Charter have been changed, orchestrating a coup d’état in a sovereign nation is still illegal.

    List of Countries Destroyed by the US


    The following is a list of countries where the US has organized coup d’états, supported revolutions, overthrown governments, invaded, annexed, supported groups or forces who overthrew or attempted to overthrow governments or outright executed the leaders.

    Afghanistan, Albania, Angola, Argentina, Bolivia, Bosnia, Brazil, Cambodia, Chile, China, Colombia, Congo, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Egypt, El Salvador, Germany, Greece, Grenada, Guam, Guatemala, Haiti, Hawaii, Honduras, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Korea, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Liberia, Libya, Macedonia, Mexico, Nicaragua, Oman, Pakistan, Panama, Philippines, Puerto Rico, Russia, Samoa, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Turkey, Uruguay, USSR, Venezuela, Vietnam, Virgin Islands, Yemen, Yugoslavia and Zaire (Congo).
    What they have done and are doing to Native Americans might also be added to the list and as the genocide of the indigenous peoples is the foundation of endemic "American" racism and "exceptionalism" must also be mentioned.

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    There was some interesting chat on LBC last night lots of Crimean/Ukrainian/ Russian people phoning in, it's complicated to say the least but Moscow are disseminating just what they want people to hear in the different regions..... The 'West' haven't a chance and this is definitely not the time or place to play World Police, John Kerry is a dangerous moron... .
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    Interesting read. More here along the same lines: (">

    Ukraine and America’s Doublethink. Recourse to International Law in Support of an Illegal Neo-Nazi Government?


    With the deployment of Russian forces into Crimea and eastern Ukraine, the US-NATO propaganda machine has kicked into high gear. Putin has been portrayed as a tyrannical aggressor, while the Obama administration and its European allies have attempted to stake out the moral high ground, declaring that peace, respect for sovereignty and international law should be the guiding principles. Naturally, such rhetoric warrants closer analysis.

    The deployment of a small contingent of Russian forces into the autonomous region of Crimea is an important development in the continuing conflict in Ukraine. Because of the majority Russian population of Crimea, the seizure of power by vehemently anti-Russian Nazis and their Western-friendly neoliberal collaborators has sent a chill throughout Crimea and eastern Ukraine more broadly, leading to [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] in a number of major cities in the region, and calls for support and protection from Moscow. This should come as no surprise considering the political, economic, cultural, and military ties between Crimea and the Russian Federation.

    Russia maintains a naval base and other support facilities in the Crimean city of Sevastopol, home to the Russian Navy’s Black Sea fleet. Additionally, the region’s industry is heavily dependent both on Russian energy and the Russian market for its economic survival. Moreover, Crimea was in fact part of Russia proper until it was ceded to Ukraine by the Soviet Union in 1954 under then Premier Khruschev. However, despite becoming nominally part of Ukraine, Crimea (and most of the East and South of Ukraine) maintained close ties with “Mother Russia,” continuing to identify with Russia linguistically and politically, and governing itself with autonomous status within greater Ukraine.
    In addition, it should be noted that the majority of Crimea and eastern Ukraine identify with Russia and the Moscow patriarchate of the Eastern Orthodox Church, unlike the west of Ukraine which, like its Polish neighbor, is traditionally aligned with the Western Church. This point should not be understated considering the fact that it is precisely these cultural ties that bind Ukrainian Crimea to Russia, and create the sense of community and shared experience that lead to the appeals for Russian protection against the putsch government in Kiev and its Nazi paramilitaries.

    The Politics on the Ground
    Some international observers question why the Crimea is calling on Putin to intervene on their behalf, portraying the move by Moscow as pure opportunism. This is far from the truth, as the political climate in Kiev seems to be the motivating factor. As I, and many others, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]throughout the conflict in Ukraine, Nazi elements played, and continue to play, a key role in the overthrow of the democratically elected, though utterly corrupt and incompetent, Ukrainian President Yanukovich.

    Avowed Nazi groups such as Right Sector, Trizub, Svoboda and others constituted the muscle of the putsch in Maidan and around the country. It was they who attacked riot police, stormed government buildings, threw petrol bombs and Molotov cocktails, and generally instigated the violence and unrest. Consequently, the so called “interim government” led by Victoria Nuland’s handpicked neoliberal puppet Arseniy Yatsenyuk, has been forced to cede control of the national security forces to the openly Nazi leaders of these organizations.
    In particular, Andriy Parubiy, a co-founder of the Nazi Svoboda Party, has been made Secretary of the Security and National Defense Committee, with Dmitry Yarosh, leader of the Nazi paramilitary Right Sector group, as Parubiy’s deputy. These appointments, along with a number of other troubling power sharing arrangements, have created a putsch government that is essentially a collaboration between pro-EU liberals and right wing ultra-nationalists whose [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], aside from seizing power for themselves, is to cleanse Ukraine of Jews and Russians. As part of this ideology of “cleansing” Ukraine of Russian influence, one of the first actions of the occupying government in Kiev was to [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] a previous law that guaranteed the legal right of minorities in Ukraine to conduct business and education in their own languages. This move was seen by international observers, including representatives of governments sympathetic to Kiev’s new rulers, as a direct assault not only on minorities in general, but on the Russian-speaking population specifically. So much for democracy and human rights.It is precisely these developments that have created a grave sense of fear and impending danger in Crimea and led to the calls for Russian protection. However it is not merely average civilians who have expressed their skepticism and trepidation at the putsch government in Kiev and sided with Russia.

    In fact, recent days have seen a number of key defections within the military and bureaucracy of Crimea. The newly appointed [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] from the putsch government in Kiev, instead swearing loyalty to the pro-Russian Prime Minister of Crimea. Other high ranking and influential figures within the military and bureaucratic structures have also refused to recognize the authority of Kiev, choosing instead to remain loyal to Crimea and, de facto, to Russia. In addition, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] have surfaced that Ukraine’s flagship naval vessel, the Hetman Sahaidachny has also defected to the Russian side. These and other defections demonstrate a growing trend in Crimea: de facto independence from Ukraine and a move towards full integration with Russia. However, beyond defections and political developments, one must also recognize the security situation for ordinary citizens on the ground in Crimea. Eyewitness accounts confirm that ethnic Tatars have attacked peaceful, pro-Russian demonstrators throughout the region in an attempt to intimidate them into silence. As one eyewitness at a major protest recounts: The radical Tatars, together with the people wearing the symbols of “Maidan,” started throwing bottles (some with “Molotov Cocktails”) and attacking the peaceful demonstration of Russian-speaking protesters with sticks, knives, aerosol and gas. Unarmed Russian protesters, numbering twice as many as the opposite demonstrators, were fiercely smashed by the aggressive crowd of radicals and extremists together with Crimean Tatars. About 30 people were injured…two people died…After that the group of aggressive Tatars rushed into the administrative building, crushed the furniture, but was pushed away by the militia officers.

    Such stories are numerous throughout the major cities of Crimea, and the east of the country more generally. Today, the Russian flag can be seen flying above a number of important cities in the region, including Simferopol, Crimea’s capital, as well as Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, and other cities outside Crimea. It is against this backdrop that one must ask the most pressing question: Is Russia’s military presence a violation of Ukrainian sovereignty? Or, is it rather a moral obligation to protect their people and their interests against a growing fascist menace along their border?

    Intervention and “Democracy”
    The movement of Russian troops into Crimea has caused an international outcry. Western leaders have been quick to condemn the move as an “invasion”, and assault on “democracy” and international law. However, there are a number of points that must first be examined. First and foremost is the fact that the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] establishes that Crimea, and Sevastopol specifically, represents a strategic national interest for Russia. Moreover, it codifies the fact that the protection of the rights of the people of Crimea is the responsibility of the Ukrainian government. However, what happens when a so called government in Kiev is openly hostile to the region? Who then is responsible for the Russians living there? With Kiev’s putsch government having the backing of the US, NATO and Europe, it seems that no one other than Russia could possibly guarantee the security of Crimea.

    Second is the fact that Russia’s naval facilities are undoubtedly of vital national security interest to Moscow. Considering the openly hostile attitude expressed by the new Security and National Defense Committee leadership in Kiev, it seems clear that Russia’s national security interests would be under threat. There is ample precedent in international law justifying Russia moving to protect its forces in Crimea. Moreover, with Ukraine falling into the hands of Nazi elements, a sound argument could be made that, beyond the Crimea, Ukraine poses a danger to the security of Russia proper. Naturally, all of these nuances are left completely out of the narrative of Western corporate media.
    Third, and perhaps most important, is the fact that the putsch government in Kiev is absolutely illegal under international law. Yanukovich, whatever negative things could be said about him and his government (and there are many), was never defeated in a democratic election. Rather, he was chased out of the country by a violent mob that has now been consecrated by the much touted “international community” (read US-EU-NATO) as the recognized government. This is a blatant violation of Ukraine’s Constitution, not to mention international law and the accepted principles of modern democracy. With Yanukovich having taken refuge in Russia, and still being the legal President of Ukraine, isn’t it fair to say that Russia is acting as the guarantor of international law, rather than its enemy?

    Now it would be easy to dismiss this is as simple apologism for the actions of Putin and the Russian government. However, this is far too simplistic because one must consider, what would be the alternative? With international institutions such as the United Nations and International Criminal Court firmly under the “influence” (read control) of the United States, what other institution could possibly enforce international law in Ukraine? Surely not NATO, the alliance that has been angling to bring Ukraine into the fold since the fall of the Soviet Union. And so, it would seem that Ukraine’s fate, and that of Crimea specifically, rests on the shoulders of Russia and Putin.

    Of course, the United States has taken the lead in blasting Russia for its intervention in Ukraine. On Sunday March 2nd, US Secretary of State John Kerry made the rounds of the major political talk shows. He [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], “You don’t just invade another country on a phony pretext in order to assert your own interests.” The Orwellian doublethink required to make such a statement is palpable. The United States has invaded or, as the political Thought Police would say, “intervened,” all over the world countless times, each time violating those principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity that Kerry and the Obama administration seem to hold so dear today. In Libya, US-NATO used its own phony pretext to coax the United Nations Security Council into passing Resolution 1973 which authorized a No-Fly Zone that NATO immediately transformed into an authorization for war, including bombing and aerial support to an insurgent army seeking to topple the legal authority in that country. The NATO mission led to the illegal assassination of Gaddafi, ethnic cleansing of black Libyans, the destruction of the country’s infrastructure and economy, and unleashed a continuing political and social nightmare that is tearing that country, or what used to be called a country, apart.

    In Iraq, the United States skirted international law and all norms of international relations, unleashing a brutal war and occupation that has led to the deaths of more than a million Iraqis and the destruction of that country which continues to this day. The war on Iraq, universally recognized as having been waged under the phoniest of pretexts, is an ongoing war crime of the highest order. One could cite many other examples of US-led “interventions” based on, as Kerry termed them, “phony pretexts,” including the bombing and destruction of Yugoslavia, the continued merciless drone bombings of Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan, as well as the vicious wars in Central America which, for decades, were supported by the United States in the name of “peace” and “stability”. At what point does the hypocrisy of the United States become too much to bear?Of course, the fundamental question with regard to all these conflicts is the question of US interests. Were there Americans directly under threat by the Gaddafi government? Certainly not. Was the US Navy in danger of being seized by hostile forces in Somalia or Nicaragua? Of course not. Were the American people under threat from Saddam Hussein or Slobodan Milosevic? Undeniably no. And yet, somehow these “interventions” were deemed acceptable, but Russia’s attempt to protect its own people and military installations in the face of a clear and present danger is a crime and breach of international law? George Orwell wrote that doublethink was:

    To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process…


    Doesn’t this aptly describe US foreign policy and its attitudes? When examining the current situation in Ukraine and the Russian response to the conflict, let us recall Mr. Orwell’s prophetic words. Let us recall the principles of modern democracy and international law. And let us reject the Empire’s propaganda and double standards. Eric Draitser is the founder of [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. He is an independent geopolitical analyst based in New York City. You can reach him at [Only registered and activated users can see links. ].

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    Good reading above. It is certainly not as clear cut as the normal uk media would like us to believe. IE Russia BAD the west GOOD.....that is what we see being played out on tv and print media. The EU and the west do not like the fact that the Russians are flexing their muscle a bit (with some legitimacy it would appear). They are also still smarting that putins Russia prevented them from invading Syria. The USA are doing what is akin to spitting their dummy out.

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    This is for the lazy cunts who didn't read.


    On Sunday March 2nd, US Secretary of State John Kerry made the rounds of the major political talk shows. He
    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], “You don’t just invade another country on a phony pretext in order to assert your own interests.”

    George Orwell wrote that doublethink was:

    To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process…


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    The thing is the Russians are not even 'invading' in the sense the media would have you believe. They've moved in and are just standing around keeping the peace.

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    When people rise up against a Government they could be freedom fighters or terrorists. Which one depends on whether they support America or not. If they do support America they are always freedom fighters.

    If things had been the other way around and a western supporting government had been in power in the Ukraine and the uprising was caused by supporters of Russia I'm sure the west would have branded them terrorists. Hitlers plan for world domination was flawed in the fact that he made it too obvious. If he wanted it to succeed he should have done it the American way by secretly funding small political groups in different countries to bring down the various governments. We have seen the secret documents that have come to light which shows beyond any doubt that America is not to be trusted. Behind closed doors they are not even loyal to Europe or to the UK which is supposed to be their closest ally.

    I'm not saying that Russia is innocent when it comes to manipulating the politics of other countries but I believe they have much more integrity than America.

    Just to be clear, when I say America I mean the people and organisations in charge. The American people are just as much pawns in all this as we are. (">

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBird View Post
    Just to be clear, when I say America I mean the people and organisations in charge. The American people are just as much pawns in all this as we are. (">
    Exactly. I think Americans are generally really nice people. I was in Nashville, TN a few years ago and everyone was so warm and welcoming. Especially when they heard the British accent. I can't wait for my next trip over there as I had such a good time. Actually I don't know of anyone who has been on holiday over there and NOT had a great time. Why is their Government so fucked?

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    Exactly. I think Americans are generally really nice people. I was in Nashville, TN a few years ago and everyone was so warm and welcoming. Especially when they heard the British accent. I can't wait for my next trip over there as I had such a good time. Actually I don't know of anyone who has been on holiday over there and NOT had a great time. Why is their Government so fucked?
    I was there for two weeks in March 94. Had a great time and thought the people were friendly and helpful. A bonus I wasn't expecting was that Daytona bike week was on. A security guard at Orlando airport came up to me and asked if I was there for Daytona bike week which I knew nothing about. The way I was dressed in my leather trousers with conchas and tassles down the leg and having long hair at the time he thought I was there for bike week. He was a biker himself and went on to tell me all about it and the best places to go. As I said, very friendly and helpful.

    I thought anything goes in America regarding the way everyone dresses, so what I didn't expect is that Americans are quite conservative. Because I dressed differently I stood out from the crowd, so to them I must be famous. Wherever I went everyone kept asking me if I was part of a famous British rock group with most people mistaking me for Joey Elliot from Def Leppard, even though don't think I look anything like him.

    One night I was in a rock/gothic nightclub called 'The Edge' in Orlando when the main doors opened and a guy in a long leather coat, leather trousers, leather gloves and dark glasses strolled in accompanied by two well dressed really fit guys who were obviously his security guards. He walked around the room but didn't speak to anyone until he spotted me. He walked over, took off his glove and shook my hand while telling me how pleased he was to have met me. He then walked around towards the door and left without having spoken to anyone else in the place. My mate turned to me and said "well he's obviously someone, so who the fuck are you and what aren't you telling me". For the whole two weeks I knew what it felt like to be famous and I loved it. So I have very fond memories of my time in America. (">

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    The thing is the Russians are not even 'invading' in the sense the media would have you believe. They've moved in and are just standing around keeping the peace.
    You actually believe that bollox ?

    That shit that Robbo posted is pure cheap Russian propaganda and none of it holds up.

    FFS the Russians are justifying this with shit like this

    Legal basis for Russian Intervention

    Any Russian mission in Ukraine would be strictly of a peace keeping nature and to protect the lives of the civilian population from the US backed neo-nazi thugs who have seized power in Ukraine. Therefore any portrayal in the West and in the western mass media about an "invasion" or "violation" of the territorial or political integrity of Ukraine is completely unfounded and empty propaganda.
    Us backed neo Nazi thugs !!!!!

    So all the protestors are now Nazis ? Fuck off !

    The Russians have now deliberately turned this into a Race issue and that was not was what it was all about at all.
    It was about removing a corrupt cunt and trying to introduce some real democracy in the Country.

    Just look at the park and house he had with private zoo ffs, whilst the rest of the country live in poverty.

    The Russian citiziens were never at threat and the fucking Jews as Robbo's post says certainly fucking weren't.

    Putin has cleverly turned this into a race issue by making up hype to put fear in the Russians living in the Ukraine.
    From my own personal experiences Russians are one of the most racist nations on the planet.

    They certainly aren't fucking interested in protecting Jews. If any Jews had been at threat then believe me we certainly would have fucking heard about it.

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    Would Putin be as keen to 'protect' all these civilians if his major Gas pipe lines to the rest of the world didn't run through the Ukraine?

    I don't think so !

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    Would Putin be as keen to 'protect' all these civilians if his major Gas pipe lines to the rest of the world didn't run through the Ukraine?

    I don't think so !
    Touche, And we didn't invade and occupy every country with oil ?

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    Secretary of State John Kerry said "we're now discussing all of the options."
    He outrageously accused Russia of "aggression." No nation commits it more often against more nonbelligerent nations than America.
    It wages one lawless war after another. It ravages and destroys countries doing so. Kerry is an fookin war criminal. So is the fool in the White House.
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    Touche, And we didn't invade and occupy every country with oil ?
    Yup, and I was totally against those 'wars' / looting charades too

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    Touche, And we didn't invade and occupy every country with oil ?
    News flash ! Ukraine doesn't have gas Russia does. Russia built the gas line to supply Europe in particular Germany that runs through the Ukraine.

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    TBH 4me2 it is more the reporting that our western media have done that prompted me to "back" the other sources. I would really think the "truth" is somewhere in-between. Of course Russia want to be powerful and dominant. And the USA...well actions speak louder than words really. Our media have been hyping this up as big bad ruskies since day 1. I would say that Russia have more right to that country than we in the west have.....but the Ukrainians ultimately have the right to decide and to control their own destiny. There is no getting away from the fact that the CIA et all may well be heavily involved in all this uprising....it most certainly would not be the 1st time.
    Also no denying that the west in the form of the EU have been offering all sorts of "sweeteners" for Ukraine to embrace the EU and to become of of it's partners/members. Not one of the entities involved here are acting in the interests of the Ukrainian people IMHO.

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