Several killed after truck drives into crowd in Nice

[DavidF]

Some saying dozens killed. It is a public holiday/celebration today in France. Tell you what this area of the world is suffering just now,

The Agence France-Presse (AFP) says its reporter described seeing a white van driving at high speed on to the Promenade des Anglais, which is by the beach in Nice, as people were leaving after the Bastille day celebration display.

“We saw people hit and bits of debris flying around,” he said, adding that the incident took place near the Hotel Negresco. Terrified pedestrians screamed as they fled the area. “It was absolute chaos,” he said.

A security cordon was established, closing off the central Place Massena by 11:30pm GMT, another AFP correspondent said.

Source

[MHP]

Some nasty pictures on Twitter of this. Looks like they just mowed into the crowd.

[darkstar]

Seems over 70 dead terrible news

[GTI]

Hollande said that the country should be on alert. "The entire France is under the threat of Islamist terrorism. We should display perfect vigilance," Hollande said.He added that France plans to increase the intensity of strikes on Islamists in Iraq and Syria after Thursday’s incident.

At what point will the French say enough is enough? ISIS or whatever the fuck they are called aren't attacking Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Portugal, Greece, Hungary, Czech Republic, Iceland or any other country that keeps itself to itself. I don't believe Hollande has the mandate to be recklessly risking the lives of his citizens with these foreign misadventures any more.

P.S Thank you Tony Blair

[rusty]

ISIS must be in most countries so why France ?
either we will have to talk to them (ISIS) or keep cutting off the head of the snake, getting just the "foot soldiers" will not do anything
we are not dealing with Red October or a similar group, its not like the IRA who wanted freedom for Ireland, ISIS appear to want us all to support their God and their vision of how God want things

[GTI]

ISIS appear to want us all to support their God and their vision of how God want things

Nothing could be further from the truth, ISIS is nothing more than a political group cloaked in Islamic language and ideology. Their foot-soldiers may be brainwashed enough to believe they are creating a pure Caliphate, but those higher up the food chain have no such beliefs. Many of them are remnants of Saddam's Baath party, military commanders who had no role or prospects after the US invasion, so chose instead to use their military training to create chaos, loot and plunder. This is principally why I blame Bush and Blair for unleashing this hell on the world, before the overthrow there were no terror groups in Iraq or Syria, so effective was State power in suppressing them. Now we've destroyed both countries, the genie is truly out of the bottle.

P.S If ISIS truly wanted people to believe in their God, they wouldn't be killing Muslims by the hundreds on a daily basis. Over 90% of their victims are in Iraq and Syria.. not France, Belgium, Orlando etc.. those are the headline grabbing atrocities, relatively few victims (compared to the Levant) but with maximum impact.

[Ashley]

Such a tragedy and yet it gives people like Donald Trump another platform to preach from.

[rusty]

I said their vision of their God, so killing Muslims who do not believe in "their vision" is ok to them
as you say in Iraq & Syria 100's are killed and its bearly a footnote on the news, but a few killed in a "White" country and it will run for the full length of the time he news is on, ( and I'm not trying to discount this attacks )
are these people's family members in Iraq or Syria,or Israel or Palestine not worth as much as our Family members,
we need to understand these people, otherwise how to we stop these attack's, and understanding them will help us if its in Fighting them or its in talking to them

[MajorFU]

I may be spouting the usual shit here but I think France historically have had a large involvement in north Africa including the arab nations there all the way back to the beginnings of the ffl right? Also from what I hear many of the radicalized westerners are from France, many more than other western countries. The have intel and probably some quite personally motivated hatred.

Very sad and worrying to see this, not even in a capital city. Basically nowhere is safe

[Raptor]

Fifty people injured in the Bastille Day attack in Nice are in a critical condition "between life and death", President Francois Hollande has said.
At least 84 people died, including more than 10 children, after a lorry crushed them along 2km (1.2 miles) of the Promenade des Anglais on Thursday.
The driver, named by sources as French-Tunisian Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, 31, was shot dead by police.
Guns and a grenade found inside the lorry were reported to be fakes.

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President Hollande, who is in Nice, said the attack was of "an undeniable terrorist nature".
He said the battle against terrorism would be long as France faced an enemy "that will continue to attack those people and those countries that count liberty as an essential value".
Mr Hollande said the attack was carried out "to satisfy the cruelty of an individual or possibly a group" and that many of the victims were foreigners and young children.
"We will overcome the suffering because we are a united France," he said.
A state of emergency, in place since November's Paris attacks carried out by militants from the so-called Islamic State group, in which 130 people died, has been extended by three months.
Warning: This story contains images some people may find distressing
The attack in Nice began shortly after the end of a firework display on the seafront.
What witnesses saw

Simon Coates, a solicitor from Leeds told the BBC: "I saw one woman lying on the ground talking to her dead child, as other people desperately did what they could to save their loved ones.
"As the lorry passed by me a young boy of 10 or so just managed to leap to one side and escape by inches. Tragically dozens of those on foot, young and old alike, were not so lucky. Virtually everyone I saw on the promenade was either dead or beyond real help with truly terrible injuries."
Nader el-Shafei told the BBC he saw the driver face-to-face for about a minute: "He was very nervous… looking for something around him, I kept yelling at him and waving my hands to stop... he picked up his gun and started to shoot police."
Afterwards he said he ran towards the beach with others, fearing the driver, who was then shot by police, would detonate the lorry.

• Read more: Witnesses describe terror

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Who were the victims?

Some 30,000 people were on the Promenade des Anglais at the time of the attack, officials said.
Tourists and residents of Nice were among those who died. They included two American citizens - a father and his 11-year-old son - a Ukrainian, a Russian and a Swiss woman.
The son of Fatima Charrihi said she was the first to die. He said she "practised Islam in the proper way. A real Islam, not the terrorists' version".
Fondation Lenval, the children's hospital in Nice, says it has treated some 50 children and adolescents, including two who died during or after surgery.

• Read more: Victims of Nice attack

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Where now for "liberte"? BBC's Dan Johnson in Nice

The president announced only on Tuesday that France planned to end its state of emergency soon. It will now be extended for another three months. That means police and soldiers on the streets, guarding key buildings. It means scanners and metal arches at some shops and regular bag searches. Gendarme reserves have been called up in support. There are already tighter checks at France's borders.
Security services have denied they relaxed after the Euro 2016 football tournament and there has been praise for the relentless job they have done in recent months and for the speed of their reaction last night in Nice.
Intelligence gathering has improved but predicting and preventing every attack is impossible. Some are questioning whether even a state of emergency is an effective level of response. The French are being warned they are going to have to live with terrorism. That means some big questions about the nature of "liberte" - one of the founding principles of this nation that people celebrated on Bastille Day.

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What we know about the attacker

No group has so far said it was behind the attack.
The identity papers of the 31-year-old French-Tunisian were found in the lorry, which was reportedly rented out two days earlier in the suburb of Saint-Laurent-du-Var.
Tunisian security sources said Bouhlel was married with three children and came from the Tunisian town of Msaken. He visited Tunisia frequently, the last time eight months ago.
He lived on the Route de Turin in Nice and had been in trouble with police in the past for petty crime, but he was not on the watch list of radicalised young men.
Residents of his apartment building said he was a loner who did not respond when they said hello.

• Read more: Who was the Nice attacker?

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Response and reaction

• Mr Hollande praised security forces and medical personnel and thanked the international community for its solidarity. He has visited the injured and said some would carry the trauma of what they had seen during the attack through their lives
• French Prime Minister Manuel Valls has declared three days of national mourning, starting from Saturday
• US President Barack Obama condemned "in the strongest terms" what he said appeared to be "a horrific terrorist attack in Nice"
• UK Prime Minister Theresa May said she was "shocked and saddened by the horrifying attack in Nice"
• Nice's jazz festival has been cancelled and Marseille has announced it is cancelling a fireworks show planned for Friday evening
• The hashtag #PrayForNice is trending worldwide and in France #NousSommesUnis (we are united) is also trending

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Timeline of terror: France's deadliest Islamist attacks

• June 2016 - man claiming allegiance to so-called Islamic State kills two police officials in Magnanville, near Paris
• November 2015 - multiple attacks on Paris by seven gunmen and suicide bombers kill 130 people and injure more than 350 in the deadliest terror attack in French history
• June 2015 - man with suspected links to Islamist radicals decapitates his boss after ramming his car into an area containing flammable liquids at factory in Lyon
• January 2015 - three days of attacks by gunmen in Paris leave 17 people dead, starting with an attack on the office of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo and ending in two sieges
• March 2012 - a gunman kills seven in Toulouse and Montauban, including a teacher and three children at a Jewish school

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BBC News

[Raptor]

French President Francois Hollande is to chair crisis talks with his inner security cabinet following Thursday's attack in Nice that killed 84 people.
Mr Hollande, who says the attack was a terrorist act, has already extended a state of emergency by three months.
On Thursday, a lorry driver ploughed through a crowd marking Bastille Day on Nice's Promenade des Anglais.
The driver was later shot dead by police. He was identified as Tunisian Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, 31.
Prosecutors said he had driven the lorry 2km (1.2 miles) along the famous promenade, zigzagging and targeting people.
Ten of the dead were children. Some 202 people were injured; 52 are critical, of whom 25 are on life support.
'Long battle'

At the meeting with the security chiefs, Mr Hollande is expected to review all available options in response to the attack.
In a televised address to the nation on Thursday night, he pledged that army reservists would be called up to help provide security across the country.
A state of emergency was in place across France since November's Paris attacks carried out by militants from the so-called Islamic State group, in which 130 people died.
The emergency had been due to end on 26 July.
Mr Hollande said the attack was of "an undeniable terrorist nature".
He warned that the battle against terrorism would be long, as France faced an enemy "that will continue to attack those people and those countries that count liberty as an essential value".
"We will overcome the suffering because we are a united France," he said.
What the prosecutor said

Paris prosecutor Francois Molins said that no group had admitted carrying out the attack but that it bore the hallmarks of jihadist terrorism.
Lahouaiej-Bouhlel drove the 19-tonne lorry into crowds at about 22:45 local time (20:45 GMT).
He fired at officers with a 7.65mm calibre automatic pistol when the vehicle was close to the Negresco hotel and continued for another 300m, where his vehicle was stopped near the Palais de la Mediterranee hotel and he was shot dead.
Also found in the lorry were an ammunition magazine, a fake pistol, replica Kalashnikov and M16 rifles, and a dummy grenade.
There was also a bicycle, empty pallets, documents and a mobile phone. Items were later seized from Lahouaiej-Bouhlel's Nice home.
Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a driver and delivery man, had three children but had separated from his wife, who was taken into police custody on Friday, Mr Molins said.
He was known to the police as a petty criminal, but was "totally unknown to intelligence services... and was never flagged for signs of radicalisation," the prosecutor added.
Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said he could not confirm links to jihadism.
However, Prime Minister Manuel Valls told France 2 television that Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was a "terrorist without doubt linked to radical Islamism in one way or another".
Warning: This story contains images some people may find distressing

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What witnesses saw

Simon Coates, a solicitor from Leeds told the BBC: "I saw one woman lying on the ground talking to her dead child, as other people desperately did what they could to save their loved ones.
"As the lorry passed by me a young boy of 10 or so just managed to leap to one side and escape by inches. Tragically dozens of those on foot, young and old alike, were not so lucky. Virtually everyone I saw on the promenade was either dead or beyond real help with truly terrible injuries."
Nader el-Shafei told the BBC he saw the driver face-to-face for about a minute: "He was very nervous… looking for something around him, I kept yelling at him and waving my hands to stop... he picked up his gun and started to shoot police."
Afterwards he said he ran towards the beach with others, fearing the driver, who was then shot by police, would detonate the lorry.

• Read more: Witnesses describe terror

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Who were the victims?

Some 30,000 people were on the Promenade des Anglais at the time of the attack, officials said.
Residents of Nice and foreign tourists were among those who died.
They included four French citizens, three Algerians, a teacher and two schoolchildren from Germany, three Tunisians, two Swiss, two Americans, a Ukrainian, an Armenian and a Russian.
The son of Fatima Charrihi, a 60-year-old Nice resident from Morocco, said she was the first to die. He said she "practised Islam in the proper way. A real Islam, not the terrorists' version".

• Read more: Victims of Nice attack

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What more do we know about the attacker?

Tunisian security sources said Lahouaiej-Bouhlel came from the Tunisian town of Msaken. He visited Tunisia frequently, the last time eight months ago.
Justice Minister Jean-Jacques Urvoas said the suspect had been given a suspended sentence earlier this year following a confrontation with another driver but this was his only conviction.
Residents of his apartment building said he was a loner who did not respond when they said hello.

• Read more: Who was the Nice attacker?

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Timeline of terror: France's deadliest Islamist attacks

• June 2016 - man claiming allegiance to so-called Islamic State kills two police officials in Magnanville, near Paris
• November 2015 - multiple attacks on Paris by seven gunmen and suicide bombers kill 130 people and injure more than 350 in the deadliest terror attack in French history
• June 2015 - man with suspected links to Islamist radicals decapitates his boss after ramming his car into an area containing flammable liquids at factory in Lyon
• January 2015 - three days of attacks by gunmen in Paris leave 17 people dead, starting with an attack on the office of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo and ending in two sieges
• March 2012 - a gunman kills seven in Toulouse and Montauban, including a teacher and three children at a Jewish school

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[Mule]

Four people believed to be linked to man who killed 84 people in Nice are in police custody, French media report

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I suspect this will be because they think they may have known about his plans but not reported it.

[mattress]

I suspect this will be because they think they may have known about his plans but not reported it.

Not only common but expected, it seems.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659...error-tip-offs

[Mule]

Not only common but expected, it seems.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659...error-tip-offs

That's not a very reliable article.

[CzarJunkie]

Not only common but expected, it seems.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659...error-tip-offs

The security services claim to have foiled over 40 jihadist plots in the UK in the last 10 years. Much of that intelligence has come from the Muslim community themselves. Demonising an entire religion, as right wing publications like the Express tend to do, will only make it much more likely there is another attack on British soil, as Muslim communities will invaribly become more insular.

[mattress]

Of course, it's all down to the 'unreliable' reports of a right-wing newspaper.

What next? Ban trucks in France?

'The security services claim to have foiled over 40 jihadist plots in the UK in the last 10 years. Much of that intelligence has come from the Muslim community themselves.' I'd love some 'reliable' proof of this.

[Mule]

It IS unreliable.

The survey was conducted on a random sample of 1,081 British Muslims aged 18 and over.

That's all the information given. It's a small sample number, there's no source, we have no idea how it was conducted, or even if it was conducted and not just made up.

[funkyg]

This is scary stuff. A guy who used to live over the road from me was actually on the prom in Nice when this happened. Five minutes later and it could have been him on the list of victims.

[Mule]

This is scary stuff. A guy who used to live over the road from me was actually on the prom in Nice when this happened. Five minutes later and it could have been him on the list of victims.

That's a pretty tenuous link. You're incredibly unlikely to die in one of these attacks.